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Pelosi at it again. Just depends on who is in the audience. Wondering what other thoughts are.

Pelosi at it again

And, doesn't Congress itself pass how many Visas will be available each year during the budget process?

Enjoy.

Speaking of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families. Pelosi voted for the Iraq war AND it’s funding over and over again.
As for me I changed my party from Democrat to Lebertarian as of two days ago. My new voter registration is in the mail.

I don't know about "un-American", as personally I find that phrase most ridiculous (yeah, I'm British. I'm not an American. That must make me a communist, right?! ), but I agree that immigration raids are completely unethical. The founding fathers didn't have Visas, did they? They just came across the Atlantic from Europe and moved in. You are ALL the descendants of illegal immigrants.

Immigrants are not bad people. They are human beings like everyone else, and deserve respect. In the UK, a lot of native Brits are making a lot of fuss about Polish people coming and "taking our jobs". Though I think it's unfair that they (the immigrants) often receive preferential treatment from the system, it should be the SYSTEM that gets the blame for that one, not immigrants in general.

There are several things that are quite American. Owning a gun is American. Disliking the Russians because they're communists is American. Destroying the American Dream.... Not quite so American.

Surely, every poor sod should be able to become an overweight, gun-owning god-fearing conservative American? The pursuit of happiness and all that? I think the whole business of "raids" is pure BS. If you're going to kick someone out, send them a letter. Then, come during the day and in the open and tell them to get the hell out.

gina-ghettoprincess:

First of all we’re not discussing our forefathers here and even if we did for a long period in early American history visas were not even required so it wasn’t a question of who was or was not illegal. As for myself and my parents we all came here legally with valid visas and I am a naturalized citizen. We have had to spend a whole lot of time, money and effort to do it legally. Before I can condone letting immigrants who do not have work permits to work here someone will have to recompense me and my family for all the time money and effort we spent. As for blaming the system I agree with you completely. Unfortunately the system is run by hypocrites like Pelosi and all we can hope to do is vote her out of office. Furthermore as far as I know nobody is blaming immigrants in general only illegal immigrants.

That makes no sense; and if anyone thinks that comparing immigration to the colonization and subsequent genocides that took place on this continent is a good way to sell it, well, I'm not sure what to say.

some good points of view so far.

For those that do not live in "America" and for those that do live here in the U.S. I'd like to point out that being an "American" technically covers North America, Central America, South America and just about all in between. The phrase, "American" is normally assumed to apply to only the United States and is furthermore confused in the media and by our politicians. The last point is normally part of any tour of an OAS (Organization of American States) building.

So, Pelosi is kinda right that clamping down on "illegal immigration" is "Un-American". But, unpatriotic, I don't think so. And, to call some unpatriotic for wanting the laws to be enforced which a majority of U.S. citizens want in the first place is a ploy and politics as usual from Pelosi. A raid on U.S. citizens bank accounts who receive bonuses from a certain company is allrighty but a raid on a business employing illegal immigrants in violation of federal law is "unpatriotic".

This may be the last Liberal Female Speaker of the House that I will see in my lifetime.

ok..so we're norteños...

One of the constituents of the Democratic party are the unions. It's hard to organize, much less keep a closed shop, if employers can just hire Manuel Labor from the street corner at below minimum wage. So, to keep the unions happy, they need to come down hard on the illegals.

This, unfortunately, offends another minority Democratic support group, hispanic minorities (though they're more numerous than African-Americans, and by 2057, will be a plurality, then eventually a majority). So, in order to 'have it both ways', the party winds up twisting itself into pretzel-like logic to keep everybody 'happy'.

'I'm not a member of any organized party, I'm a Democrat' - Mark Twain

I'm not "selling" it, I am pointing out that over-zealous American patriotism is founded in hypocrisy.

While we're on the subject of illegal immigrants, I'm pretty sure the Angles, Saxons, Vandals (not too sure about them), etc., didn't have visas when they crossed the Channel, either.

Well, no. Not unless you think that everyone everywhere is an immigrant, in which case the term is meaningless.

I have nothing against immigrants. However I do think the country needs to streamline the immigration system to make entering the country illegally undesirable for anyone other than a hardened criminal.

So that way honest immigrants will be on the books and the borders can then be fully secured against drug smugglers and the like.

Yes. Pelosi is a hypocrite. But then, so are most politicians.

Have you become an acolyte of Lebert?

ruveyn

First off, Pelosi is a wackjob. Just about everything she has said during her career can be safely disregarded. The border patrol and INS do not do no-knock raids on homes over illegal immigration. I have to admit I don't see any reson why the families have to be split up though...the parents should feel free to take their kids with them.

The problem isn't with those who want to legitimately create a better life for their family by moving to the US. We have a system for those who want to move to the US and become citizens, and all I can say is more power to them. The illegal immigration problem stems from those who come to the US illegally, then use up resources without giving anything back. The people who leave their family in their own country so that one family member can go to the US, collect welfare, work under the table, and send their earnings to their family members in their native country, while never paying any taxes in the US. These are the people that abuse the Welfare system so that citizens of the US have a much harder time getting it when they need it. These are the people who are destroying our economy by taking up jobs and not demanding competitive wages, which therefore causes the employers to pay less, causing legitimate citizens to pass up on those jobs since they know they wouldn't be able to pay taxes or feed their families with the wage they would make.

As I said, I have no problem with anyone who wants to create a better life for their family, that's what the American Dream is all about. The problem is with those who abuse the system so that their family in their native country can become richer without having to work harder. That and those who simply come to the US so they don't have to work, and instead abuse the welfare and medicare systems to live without working.

I doubt there's a huge problem with freeloading and useless immigrants. However, I'm going to take a moment to question whether importing large quantities of poor immigrants is a good idea by injecting some class rhetoric into this. Follow the bouncing logic:
1) The United States has very high income inequality, with low skill workers barely scraping by
2) If you import unskilled or low skill immigrants, you saturate the low skill labor market
3) The glut of cheap immigrant labor drives down the cost of labor, hence driving down the wages of the lower classes

The upper class gets their cheap labor, the middle class gets their cheap goods and services, and the lower and working classes get shafted.