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11 Aug 2006, 7:58 am

Have you ever just sat there and thought about stuff on another level? I do that
a lot. I think you do your best thinking in total silence.In fact, I have a novel started!
Do you know what I mean?

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11 Aug 2006, 8:03 am

Yes, I do.

I like silence. Silence is golden.

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11 Aug 2006, 8:19 am

Not me. I have to have background level for full potential. The hum is enough though.

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11 Aug 2006, 9:54 am

shush im trying to think of a reply

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11 Aug 2006, 12:43 pm

nonothefairy wrote:

Have you ever just sat there and thought about stuff on another level? I do that
a lot. I think you do your best thinking in total silence.In fact, I have a novel started!

Do you know what I mean?

Pick a level! Pick several!
I have a piece of work under construction entitled "Lost in the levels", but I'm not sure it wants to be a book. I suspect it would do best as a spider software arrangement, so people could go from node to node, following threads and tangles of thoughts, facts, quotations, ideas, consequences..., but never quite finding any fixed end-point.

"You are in a maze of little twisty passages, all different."
"You are in a little maze of twisty passages, all different."...

You are thinking about something when you notice yourself thinking.
You are thinking about yourself thinking
You are thinking about thinking about yourself thinking
You notice that this way lies madness if you keep it up.
You can't logically work out why there is anything essentially wrong with that...

But silence? Quiet, yes, but with my tinnitus, I'll never hear silence again.
(white noise is good!)

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11 Aug 2006, 5:02 pm

Emettman wrote:

But silence? Quiet, yes, but with my tinnitus, I'll never hear silence again.
(white noise is good!)

By which you imply you have experienced silence before you had tinnitus.

I have no idea what silence is like - I've had tinnitus since before I can remember (I guess since birth.) But yes, white noise is good. But the sound of the M1 nearby is quite sooting, and less harsh than white noise. Then again, music with which I am extremely familiar is even better

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12 Aug 2006, 5:31 am

Im with the "I love silecne peeps" on this one

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12 Aug 2006, 7:28 am

Musical_Lottie wrote:

Emettman wrote:

But silence? Quiet, yes, but with my tinnitus, I'll never hear silence again.
(white noise is good!)

The white noise doesn't have to be loud. And yes, distant traffic does the job quite well.
Or a vague mumbling on the radio. Seashore is very good indeed, but I don't live there.

I developed tinnitus (High pitched whistle variety) in both ears in my thirties. For months I thought it was a defective piece of electrical equipment in my home.

And I hadn't done any of the rock-concert, shooting, etc. activities thought to promote it.

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12 Aug 2006, 8:29 am

How could you possibly love silence peeps? I ask that because if someone says they want, "not a peep out of you," they mean they want silence. This is just a provocative question. I'm really not sure where that last point came from.

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12 Aug 2006, 10:16 am

There are right times and wrong times to silence.

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12 Aug 2006, 1:42 pm

larsenjw92286 wrote:

How could you possibly love silence peeps? I ask that because if someone says they want, "not a peep out of you," they mean they want silence.

There's information, and there's noise.

When thinking, or otherwise busy, noise can be a distraction and a burden.

Things that might be noise to some people: the wind in the trees, the sound of birds or the sea can be positive. Continuing information of a pleasant environment, perhaps. I know of some people who really seem to need a background level of (reassuring?) noise to work happily. One writer reported he was always most productive on a moving train.

Other things that are technically information can be noise: incessant chatter, irrelevant conversation.

A person who wants "not a peep out of you" has decided anything you are likely to output will count for the moment as noise, not information. That's not to say that is a correct assessment, just their personal perspective.

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12 Aug 2006, 1:55 pm

Oh!

Information is useful because there is no reason for noise.

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12 Aug 2006, 2:32 pm

larsenjw92286 wrote:

Information is useful because there is no reason for noise.

This is true, if you are sure it's noise.

A car engine running may just be noise to you, but convey a lot of information to a skilled mechanic.

Or even the absence of noise as information:

Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."
Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

Or the classic Western cliché:
"I don't like it sergeant. It's quiet. Too quiet." (Arrow comes out of nowhere and...)

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12 Aug 2006, 2:38 pm

Yes, so it's all relative.

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12 Aug 2006, 6:03 pm

Emettman wrote:

Musical_Lottie wrote:

Emettman wrote:

But silence? Quiet, yes, but with my tinnitus, I'll never hear silence again.
(white noise is good!)

Oo, seashore ... lovely.

Hey, maybe we with tinnitus should all move to the seaside!

I sometimes really wish to know what silence is like, just for once, just to know. But I think I'm glad that I've always had tinnitus, rather than suddenly having it after years of silence.

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13 Aug 2006, 3:35 am

Musical_Lottie wrote:

Oo, seashore ... lovely.

Hey, maybe we with tinnitus should all move to the seaside!

I'm taking a trip down to Cornwall in mid-September. Mainly just a break to sit by the sea, but also a scouting around to see if there is any realistic possibility of moving that way*.

I don't think my funds run to a cottage within sound of the sea, but I could get a lot closer than I am now, and you are even further away from the shore.

To sit comfortably by the sea with a good crossword. It's not a wild ambition, is it?

* a mad unrealistic move remains an option, but I'm holding that in reserve.

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