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Do you think that some people actually deserve to be bullied?
Yes 9%  9%  [ 32 ]
Yes 9%  9%  [ 32 ]
Maybe 4%  4%  [ 15 ]
Maybe 4%  4%  [ 15 ]
No 25%  25%  [ 87 ]
No 25%  25%  [ 87 ]
Judging from your examples, yes. 4%  4%  [ 15 ]
Judging from your examples, yes. 4%  4%  [ 15 ]
You're being unfair to the people in your examples 7%  7%  [ 23 ]
You're being unfair to the people in your examples 7%  7%  [ 23 ]
Total votes : 344

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19 Dec 2005, 6:45 pm

Yupa wrote:
But the thing is, the kinds of people you mentioned can't help who they are, and therefore it's wrong to harass them about it.


So if someone is really annoying you but he can't help it because he is mentally ret*d, does he deserve to be bullied? (I know that I find mentally ret*d people are very very annoying). No, yet many mentally ret*d and autistic people are bullied day after day. And even in normal people, maybe they have something about them that causes them to suffer and take it out by annoying people. They don't deserve to be bullied. They deserve to be listened to. What do you say to that? Hmmmmm????



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19 Dec 2005, 6:48 pm

Chris wrote:
He calls random people Nazis and Communists


i call people nazis or natonal socialists and fashists even if they if they arnt racist


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19 Dec 2005, 6:56 pm

Yupa wrote:
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N On the contrary, I think that he could use a friend if he was in an environment where he could be listened to.

No one in this world deserves to be bullied. Everyone deserves the right of a friend who will listen.

Keep that in mind.

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The person you mentioned doesn't deserve a friend. If bullying isn't the answer for someone like that, then I'd have to say that what he needs is some serious psychiatric help....


Most people at school think that of me. That shows that you are of no higher status than the people who bully me at school.

Oh and by the way, I still have that chat log of when you verbally bullied me for no reason. That makes you a hypocrite.



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19 Dec 2005, 7:06 pm

Chris.

He is not a hypocrite because he at least acts in accordance to his opinions. A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but acts totally different.


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19 Dec 2005, 7:09 pm

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But the thing is, the kinds of people you mentioned can't help who they are, and therefore it's wrong to harass them about it.


But that could be said about your 2 cases you mentioned to start this thread. They could have problems in which they cannot control either.

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The person you mentioned doesn't deserve a friend. If bullying isn't the answer for someone like that, then I'd have to say that what he needs is some serious psychiatric help....


You are right, the person may need help but instead of offering help, you reject the person and as such ostracize them.


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19 Dec 2005, 7:36 pm

ljbouchard wrote:
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But the thing is, the kinds of people you mentioned can't help who they are, and therefore it's wrong to harass them about it.
But that could be said about your 2 cases you mentioned to start this thread. They could have problems in which they cannot control either.



No it couldn't. I knew in my heart and from observation that the two cases I mentioned had the potential to save themselves and become something better.
They were people who were -trying- to mess up their images for some reason.
I'm not sure if either of them has transcended that phase or not, but I can only hope.



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19 Dec 2005, 7:39 pm

Chris wrote:
Yupa wrote:
But the thing is, the kinds of people you mentioned can't help who they are, and therefore it's wrong to harass them about it.


So if someone is really annoying you but he can't help it because he is mentally ret*d, does he deserve to be bullied? No, yet many mentally ret*d and autistic people are bullied day after day. What do you say to that? Hmmmmm????


Reread that post you cited.
You responded as if I'd said the opposite of what I actually had.
What I said was 'It's wrong to harass them about it'.
I'm not sure if I made myself perfectly clear, tho'. But I highly -doubt- I wrote that in such a way that -anyone- could misread that as 'It's right to harass them about it'.
When you agree with someone, you're not usually supposed to agree in such an argumentative tone, you know.



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19 Dec 2005, 7:47 pm

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No it couldn't. I knew in my heart and from observation that the two cases I mentioned had the potential to save themselves and become something better.


What knowledge dear I ask do you posess that allows you to know this without asking the person.


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19 Dec 2005, 8:17 pm

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No it couldn't. I knew in my heart and from observation that the two cases I mentioned had the potential to save themselves and become something better.


What knowledge dear I ask do you posess that allows you to know this without asking the person.


I had to put up with those people everday. And everyonce in a while, there was a hint of something better beneath.



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20 Dec 2005, 12:33 am

One time, we saw this play at my high school titled Bang Bang, You're Dead. Basically it was about a kid who gets teased one too many times, makes a written threat, gets expelled, and then kills his parents and 5 students. Anyways, we started having a healthy discussion about the play and its moral in my Human Relationships class. Then suddenly, this girl in my class twists and turns it into a laughing fest about a couple of students at our school who get picked on regularly and goes into detail about how wierd they are. This particular course allows for open ended discussion so of course the teacher just tolerates it. But ooof! :x That just burned me up inside. Most of these kids mentioned were ones that I sort of knew who, while they had their own different set of quirks, were still nice people nonetheless.



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20 Dec 2005, 3:39 am

I wouldn't want to be friends with many of the examples given on this thread, nor would I make an effort to be friends with them. However, I don't think anyone deserves to be bullied.



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20 Dec 2005, 9:38 am

Half the people described here sound like the people I DO hang around with. Oddly enough, the 'freaks and geeks' tend to be the best people you will ever meet, simply because they KNOW what its like to be on the wrong end of the stick.

Oh and Yupa, my personal hygene isn't 100%, does that make it right for you to bully me? Cause if so, bring it, cause whatever you dish out reflects on you.


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20 Dec 2005, 2:14 pm

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Oh and Yupa, my personal hygene isn't 100%, does that make it right for you to bully me?

Of course not.
Besides, both the people I mentioned were people I largely -observed-. When I interacted with them, it was usually to let them borrow a pencil or sheet of paper.



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20 Dec 2005, 6:07 pm

and from that interaction and the your observation at school (which is only about 25% of that persons day), you can determine what type of person they are, whay issues they have, and whether they can/should change?

Man, you should go into psychology. They really need someone like you.


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20 Dec 2005, 7:56 pm

ljbouchard wrote:
and from that interaction and the your observation at school (which is only about 25% of that persons day), you can determine what type of person they are, whay issues they have, and whether they can/should change?

Man, you should go into psychology. They really need someone like you.


From what I've heard most of the people in the psychological profession are already like that :wink:



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20 Dec 2005, 8:03 pm

GalileoAce wrote:
ljbouchard wrote:
and from that interaction and the your observation at school (which is only about 25% of that persons day), you can determine what type of person they are, whay issues they have, and whether they can/should change?

Man, you should go into psychology. They really need someone like you.


From what I've heard most of the people in the psychological profession are already like that :wink:


*sarcastically* Ha!!