Homosexuality - "coming out the closet"

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Yes, that's true. I would like to have been the one teaching him. Although, considering his attitude and level of intelligence, I don't think he would have been very good boyfriend material for me. It's probably the same kind of thing as with the boy who is in denial. I have to say though, it's so tempting just to give in and give him the time of his life



I've always felt a lot like that and never really been anyone's best friend. There's always been another friend that's better than me for my friends. I guess that's just one of the struggles we have with AS is struggling to manage to form full friendships with people. However, I view it this way. If you make someone your best friend and....almost pretend that you're their best friend, it can work just about the same as if you really are their best friend. In a way, what I'm saying is perhaps we are the ones who are more concerned about the level of friendship than they are.


But, if you said before that you floated between the two, then can't you do that again and cover more ground within the new group whilst pulling out of the old one? Like, a gradual process.


I think you're right to use the word "fake". A lot of people change from being quite normal to being very camp and stereotypically gay in order to fit into the "fashion", if you like. I do not disagree with this because it's everyone's choice and if people naturally feel themselves changing to suit their newly discovered feelings or even make a point to consciously change themselves, then that's up to them. However, I do think this is what straight people are most scared of, not so much the actual nature of it itself. I won't be changing into this at all. Infact, it's quite an annoying thing because these people tend to be the people who go out into the community and into the gay bars etc. Perhaps because of their change to their personality and style, they have more confidence to face the rest of the world. Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all. <<half sarcasm


I was not for a moment going to suggest it was stereotypical. I myself would love to start dancing but of course fear what my family would conclude from it.

And, of course, the image of an ideal partner does not exclude many other people who can be just as attractive. I really only like skinny guys and sometimes a little arm and chest muscle but anything more than that like those stereotypically very attractive to younger females doesn't interest me very much.

As for the frilled shirt, well I can't really think what that is like. A frilly SKIRT, yes, I would think that's very gay And yes, it's spelt blonde. I think blond is American. I prefer dark hair and jet black is really nice. Again, optional. Speaking of blonde guys, do you think Neil Robertson is gay? Or know? He is well good looking.


Well, after feeling rather dissatisfied at her reaction, when I got home, I started to text her a lot to try and get her talking about it. After some exchanges, it became clear from what she was saying in the texts. So, I nipped it in the bud and prevented any long term hard feelings from developing. Her boyfriend had dyspraxia, so I think she still thought I liked him because she liked us because we weren't NT. Just a theory.


I have terrible bad dreams with strange things happening and I go to turn on the light to feel safe and the bulb doesn't work. I always frantically try the switch and try another one. Even though there's light coming from the next room, I still need to turn on this light. It's a fairly common dream as well. Strange.

How about saying your brother is gay?! Hmm, maybe not. Tell him you had a girl round and you're embarrassed because it didn't go very well. I'll keep thinking.


Well, this was quite far before I left and after that, it really just settled down. I had to admit it to a few more people, ones that I got on better with, and it turned out ok. One of them ended up getting in contact with me after 2 years of not talking to him to arrange meeting to try stuff out He canceled at last minute. But, I mean, I'm not a trial service. Anyway, the world really spread round a few weeks after the summer holidays when I was not at school anymore. I still didn't know for sure if I was in the cadets but I couldn't stand going in anymore and hearing that news confirmed my decision. But like I say, it could have done me a lot better for my life now, but it's easy to say that now.

And yes, he won't stand a chance! For me, it was a lot to do with paranoia as well. But, it's just as well because if I had not left, it may have lasted until I joined as a police officer and then I would have had to learn the hard way that I'm no use for the job. Finding out about Asperger's made me realise that it was not a desire to do the job, it was purely an obsession with the police as whole of which I still have today.


Well, I meant more that you should look within people that you meet if you move more out of your bubble first. So, like finding activities you enjoy that involve other people. Perhaps something in a special interest. That way, you can meet like minded people and with a figure said to be 10%, hopefully you'll be sure to find someone gay. Also, this would avoid the problem of people in your area because you could go to certain clubs or events instead of just "hanging around". I had a couple of friends in my part of the city, one of which had ADHD and the other had learning difficulties. I could have come out my bubble then and spent time with them and other people in my area, but I chose not to. Do I regret it? Well, I regret spending time with them, but I don't regret avoiding "hanging around". It may mean I have more to learn and longer to go to be interacting with and meeting more people, but I'm working on it and fairly happy with that. I've always had the attitude that the only way to get round my problem is by leaving the country and starting abroad....by myself. I would take someone but nobody wants to go. I'm trying to work around that attitude now whilst also continually building confidence and self reassurance that I could move by myself. I fear I might not manage to survive and end up committing suicide. Do you think it would be a good option?


I used to work for NHS National Services Scotland who included SNBTS (Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service). That was always in the back of my mind when I worked there and I felt morally wrong to even work with the larger organisation. I did not know of anything to do with oral sex, though. Perhaps it's different in England. Would that not apply to males with females too? People also have quite a lot of issues with the NHS in terms of gender reassignment as well. Things are changing but there's a long way to go. That's one of the few things I really like about the Labour Party. You can bet your boots that if the Conservative Party wins, we will be going well and truly backwards! A real good excuse for me to emigrate

If he is blatantly homophobic, and sees you as a homosexual, then I would fail to see how you'd be able to give him "the time of his life" if he denies you purely for admitting you are what he is.



I don't know why, but something prevents me from doing so whenever I'm offered the chance... Other than that, I had every chance to float between the two when there was a space I could sit beside them. Upon choosing one group over the other, and the other group literally begging for me to join them, I declined them (ofcourse, after my "friends" had persuaded me to) and they asked someone else to sit there - who accepted.



Agreed. I know one person in my class who acts the "stereotypical gay". I'm not sure if he is gay or not, he he acts incredibly camp, incredibly femme, talks to other girls etc. No-one speaks to him or mocks him, however, they merely avoid him. If I were to ask someone "who, in the class, do you think is the most gay?", they would most likely say him (I say most likely because others might choose this friend that touches people up).



True. Same here. I buy books on Tap Dancing and Capoeira, but have neither the nerve nor the education to try them out...



True. If I were to choose between "bear" or "twink", I would probably choose the "twink" every time. I don't know why, but I'm not the biggest fan of bulging muscles that make the person look like he's on steroids... A little muscle is okay, but I'm not really attracted to the body-builder style. The best way I could describe my perfect partner would probably be in the stereotype of "Prep/Preppy".



Frilled Shirt

I did actually view the topic of clothing styles/hair styles and saw you preferred "emo" hair. As for myself, I know one person whom everyone claim to have "Emo hair", but I find the hair quite attractive. Then there was a google search result which, upon searching, I liked the look of the hair itself (despite being different to this other person's hair), but found myself somewhat repulsed by the heavy make-up on the person sporting the hair. (I did, ofcourse, expect that - as I'd already heard of the basic stereotype and seen a few pictures of them).

As for Neil Robertson, I never really viewed him in that way until you brought him up now. I'm not much of a snooker fan, but I have seen him once or twice and declared that I would want him to win (in which case, I get criticised by my younger brother for being "unpatriotic" ). A quick Wikipedia Search reveals that, apparently, he has a Norweigan Girlfriend (Named Millie) whom is currently pregnant with him first child.



Hehe. So, it's pretty much that she thought you liked him purely because he was not NT? In my eyes, it sounds similar to how one person on one of the forums I was on reported: "A straight person came up to me and asked me if I knew his gay friend who had just moved from the south of England to America, despite the fact that I live in the the North of England . I think they must think there's some world-wide community of Gays or something." Correct me if I'm wrong, ofcourse.



Strange... Although I don't think I've ever really had that dream, I have a night-light purely out of fear of it becoming a reality.



If I were to say my brother was gay, he would mostly snap back to whomever I told (assuming he found out), admit to them that I was gay, and tell all his friends. As for the girl, they'd ask what girl - and whomever I'd say, they would literally track down the person (if they exist) and ask them. One of my homophobic friend (who publicly announces that he is homophobic) is the grandson of the mayor... Who, ofcourse, has a Census of the City, which my friends would most likely use to track down said person (if they exist). If they do not exist, I would be complained at for wasting time. If they do exist, ofcourse, the person would deny it.



Again, out of curiosity, was there a specific reason you couldn't stand going in? I'm taking a guess with the physically and socially demanding aspects of it, coupled with the rumoured "gay prejudice", am I right?



Ah. Brilliant, then. As for my brother, knowing he'll have his share of the bad times only comforts me further, for some reason.

As for my own interests, I have but a few. Obviously, Computers, Gaming, The internet etc. are a few. Other than that, I have an obsession with The Three Kingdoms period of Ancient China, British Etiquette, Anything "Gentlemanly" (have you ever heard of Bartitsu, by any chance? ) and many more things.



The thing is, the only clubs in my area are sport clubs - and I certainly don't have any sporty interests. The 16-year-old Aspie on the other forums suggested the same but, after finding that out, he was at a loss of ideas... As for moving, I'm certainly not the best person to ask - seeing as how I am currently learning two forms of Norwegian. I, myself, have my eyes set on Norway. All I can suggest is to get a job that is in high-supply in your country of choice, work your way up and then ask to relocate to the country. Although I might be very, very biased (as my opinion about this country is terrible) - I would suggest moving (However, that depends on which country it is you wish to move to. I chose Norway due to the highest HDI, a good culture and excellent cuisine). As for suicide, I have never even attempted it - and I suggest you shouldn't either. Not only that but, regardless, I fail to see the point behind suicide. Even if you do get in a small bit of debt (which, like I said, can be avoided via working your way up in a job then relocating), I doubt you'd get so depressed that you'd consider the idea. All I can think of is money problems that could hinder it. As for lack of contact with family, you can still make phone calls or send letters - maybe even contact through the internet.



According to another website "the wording includes protected oral sex as well. Even if you used a condom, if you're a man who has had oral sex with another man you ain't meant to give blood". the website is, pretty much, specifically containing English Members, so I would assume it is only an English Law. I'm not sure if it applies to woman as well, all I know is that it applies to two men.

You're precisely right. That's exactly why I don't want anything to do with him. Thank you for reminding me


Ah yes, seating arrangements. I always struggled to understand the importance of where I sat in classrooms or at break times. Once I noticed that it made quite a difference, I still couldn't think fast enough as to where best to sit in terms of social advantages. Also, I would find myself being pushed out of groups and I had to work out that it was simply being done by the position I was standing to other people, even when walking in a group. I still don't know how to do it and I don't care, really, I just do what I want to do and if people leave me, that's their choice. Anyway, I'm going a bit off topic here. Is there any way you can get to know individual people in the group better? For example, talking to them online or going to their houses after school. That way, you could slowly be integrated into the group just by improving relationships with different people.


There was a guy like that in my year and he was quite unpopular at times. He used to get slagged off a lot for his personality. Everyone thought he was gay. I didn't find him very visually attractive but I was a little drawn to his soft natured side. I found him a little annoying and I never managed to make friends with him because he didn't trust me as I had originally been taking part in the homophobic comments. I even said to him once after people were slagging him off that it was OK to be gay and that he should be proud of it, but he just though I was taking the p*ss. He must have understood what I was saying when he later found out I'm gay. He came out to his friends and in school, I believe when he was about 17 and now he's happy and going out etc etc. It's strange how things change so quickly. And I'm still just the same.


Dance is a wonderful form of expression and is really good for the mind. You should try it


How do you learn about all these terms?! Anyway, I would also choose "twink". And, I'm not too sure if I've ever really learned what a "preppy" person is like. But from what I think I've learned, I think I am mostly attracted to them too. I will send you a video of a guy who would be my ideal guy and you can tell me if he's "preppy".


Ahh yes, I can picture him now after viewing the shirt Yes, I can imagine what he would have looked like. A lovely "emo" like hair style with a cute natural face is nice. I think the lines between "emo" and "goth" have been severely smudged and I think the term "emo" pretty much describes what the old "goths" were.


Haha, yes I think the commentators are a little the same When I first saw him, I started supporting him because I think he's attractive. Also, linking back to the hair thing, I hadn't noticed but I believe he's had his hair done which explains why I'm finding him even more attractive That is rather unfortunate. Again, that is me presuming those I'm attracted to quite possibly could be gay. I feel it's always the hot ones who are straight! Someone at my old work used to say, when refering to a gay guy that worked there, that gay guys are always the really good looking ones. Followed by a very common homophobic statement from many jealous females: "What a waste." I really liked him too. 21 years older than me, but still thrilling to FINALLY get to flirt with a guy.


Well, I don't think she quite looked into it in that depth because she did not know that I have Asperger's. I think she was just acutely aware of the fact that we were both different from "normal". In actual fact, I was never attracted to him at all. And to that quote from the forum, I would have expected that for Scotland, but not England. Infact, some people in England think that here in Scotland, we all know each other Thankfully, it's nowhere near the truth.


The funny thing was that there's never any real danger in the dreams, it's purely the inability to operate the light that causes extreme anxiety. Dreams can be very strange.


That's horrible when everything can be tracked down! What about saying you met one online and she visited from far away? You could always try saying someone gay spoke to you online and you're not sure how you feel about it and are scared you might find it good. That would be a good tester because then you can always say that you blocked him and boldly say you are straight and you were briefly confused, if you have to.


It was completely the former of the two. The pressure of the difficulty of the work was increasing and at the same time the support (of which I received only a few months of for one subject) had ceased. Overall, I was too tired of my school experience and felt very low. I had completely forgotten about the possibility of people finding out about my sexuality.


You are devilish.


I regret to admit I have not. There's some very interesting interests there. Unfortunately, not quite such interests you could capitalise on in terms of with your own age group. But, there's always those out there with the same interests!


Are you sure there's nothing computer orientated or for gaming? I know it's Carlisle, but there must be things other than sport. Even if you can find something your parents could take you to in another town.


I also have a very low opinion of this country and because of that, I think your opinion is impartial as a pose to other people who I talk to who love this country My number 1 country would be France very closely followed by Sweden as number 2. I have obsessions with both. I've tried to learn French for years but despite my excellent ear for foreign languages and pronunciation, I have never had the patience or self belief to go very far. As for jobs, the only job I can really get is the one I'm starting at the end of the month which I've done twice previously at Primark. Unfortunately, I live in recession Scotland where youth unemployment is tremendously high and I have not qualifications. Primark only has stores in Ireland, Spain and Netherlands and wouldn't be very well paid anyway. The only reason I would kill myself would be if I could not organise myself and ended up not eating or not sleeping or getting lost or loosing track of time or something and go into meltdown and fail like I've failed life twice. I would be happy to only contact family through the internet etc. I'm glad you're for the idea, though. Most people think that it's about running away from problems and, "you'll just get the same problems there."


Well, that is extremely homophobic and ridiculous. The NHS in England is totally different from the NHS in Scotland from funding to organisationally to staffing levels etc etc. However, I do not agree with the SNBTS policy that if you answer yes when they ask if you've had any sexual intercourse with a male then you can't give blood. Just as well I don't want to give blood anyway. Not that I would be able to answer yes, anyway, but never mind.

P.s, I think your thread should be awarded for thread with most number of quotes on average per post.

No problem.



That's the problem, really. I can't think of any way to get to know the individuals in the group better. Every time there is a free space beside them, I find myself declining for fear of what would happen. There is a school email system but, other than that, I can't think of any other way for online contact. As for visiting houses after school, not only do most people live in the south of the city and I live in the north ( ), but I live inside a bubble - so, regardless, it would probably be declined anyway.



True. I, myself, on the other hand, try my best to avoid "treading on too many toes", so to speak. Regardless of whether the crowd joins in or not, I would merely refuse to take part in any hurtful comments (infact, others view me somewhat like a pacifist that refuses to swear publicly. That could probably be why people view me as gullible ). Don't get me wrong - at home I would swear like there's no tomorrow. However, at school, I bottle it all up regardless. Friends literally beg me just to say one swear word. I never participate in physical fights, mostly for fear of being on the losing side and end up with a severe injury (also, I view it as rule-breaking).



True, I should. At the moment, I'm considering Ashtanga Yoga for Flexibility, myself.



From the internet, people can learn too much.

I've seen the video, and sent you the link of what a preppy is. The video is cute, to say the least, and I, myself, even tried to fit him into the preppy mould. Sadly, I could not.



According to what I have learned overall, Emo stands for emotional rocker. From what I've heard, they worship "rock gods" via dying their hair, growing it to a certain length and blood-letting. On the otherhand, I have a friend who's a goth - and he constantly goes on and on, doomsaying about how the Illuminati will kill us all. He wears "death symbols" etc. and carries a bag with a skull on it.



To be honest, although I many a time find myself doing so, I don't really see much of a point for fantasizing over celebrities. I guess it's just the thought of "Well, I'm probably never going to meet them in my life, so why fantasize?".



I wonder why it is people think such stupid things (referring to the "Knowing everyone of a certain sexuality")...



Indeed. I once had a dream where I was walking down my staircase - following a shadowed figure and, upon reaching the bottom, I was teleported to a wasteland where I felt a sharp pain in my head. I dropped to my knees and screeched like a banshee before waking.



If I were to do that and mention to friends, I fear that the memory would stick in their mind for quite a long time. I wouldn't consider it normal, myself, for someone to think gay then the very next day, say "Oh, nevermind! I decided to block them! I'm fully straight still!" etc. If there was a way to do that without leaving that impression, I would happily try it.



Was this for GCSEs alone, or were you working towards A Levels at the time? If neither, may I ask what exams you were working towards? My apologies - I'm just naturally curious.



Devilish, but secretive. I hide behind a guise of a heart of gold, but in my mind I would curse upon those who've scorned me.



True. Also, Bartitsu is one of the few Martial Arts ever made in Britain - and even features in the new Sherlock Holmes Movie.



I wish there was, but after constant researching for the past 4 or so years I have had no results. As for other cities, again, my parents forbid - Petrol costs, long distance travel and the fact that my Dad works on Alternate Weeks... The most annoying thing, however, is that my brother goes whenever he has Chess Competitions - on the other hand, chess is not my type of game. I see it as useless and boring. Although I like logical thinking, I'd much rather apply it to something more complex such as the average War Game rather than Chess.



* /me rambles on about how you should have "worked harder in school" etc. *

As for organisation, why not draw out a schedule? Maybe go there on holiday once or twice to get to know the area a bit first? As for "running away from problems", it depends on what the problem is. If it's financial, you may not be able to run away from that (unless you go to Zimbabwe, where one pound is worth approx. 20,000,000,000 Zimbabwe dollars). If it involves the community, however, ofcourse you can run away from it and get a fresh start!



True. I don't want to give blood, but it must be terrible for those that do want to. I mean, if the NHS is so scared of STDs, why not test them? 'Tis pure stupidity.



I have a large tendency to break everything down into quotes.

Awww All I can say is, I have missed out on a lot in life so far because of fearing what might happen. Sometimes, you just have to go for it! Can I ask about this opportunity to change groups? Were the two groups aware of the choice you had and your decision or was it your own understanding only?


When I say I was taking part in the comments, I mean I was sometimes teasing him myself. I don't know why I wrote "homophobic". Well, I think I remember. I was refering to my overall stance publicly and he seemed to think I was just like everyone else. As I say, I only really teased him a bit. I never took part in what the other people were doing which was a lot worse. You could perhaps even have described what I was doing as flirting, but I wouldn't really know. That's quite interesting how you swear at home but not at all in school. Do you swear in front of your family or just when you're by yourself? I can quite imagine people "begging" you to swear. I also completely avoid violence and interestingly do not break rules, too (apart from downloading things). I've never met anyone else like that. I thought I was the only one!


I used to go to Line Dancing classes when I would quite young. I really enjoyed it and it was very good for social contact. I don't really remember how I got into it, though. I remember suddenly becoming very aware of the fact that everyone else in the class was female and a lot older than me I bet my mum always remembers it when she ponders whether or not I am gay.


Haha


Would I be right in saying that "preppy" people tend to be.....what you would call chavs?


It's amazing how people are affected by popular culture.


I agree there. It is a very common thing. I can't say that I do it very much myself. Unfortunately, I feel "Well, I'm probably never going to meet them in my life, so why fantasize?" about almost everyone. That's probably not a very good thing.


I wonder, also. However, it wouldn't be such a bad thing, would it?


Were you on your knees when you woke up? I sometimes have flying dreams. Once, I got to play Quidditch Usually, I am floating over the streets and sinking but the more I wave my arms, the higher I float.


No, don't worry. I had completed my Standard Grades (Scottish equivalent) and had been working for 6 weeks on Highers and Intermediate 1/2 levels.



Are there any Bartitsu classes? I am really struggling to grasp the concept of a city with nothing but sport in it. What about starting in a dance class? Oh oh, I was going to ask last time. Is there no places to play Warhammer? My friend plays it every week at my nearest city's Games Workshop.


Well, I tried very hard at school but constantly trying to keep up concentration and away from the effects of depression.

That is the aim at the moment. I plan to go for a few months and travel from West to East and find where I like the most. I'm quite concerned about lack of knowledge of language and also daily things. For example, now that I am unemployed and with no daily structure, I have found myself eating less and even completely forgetting meals. All I am running away from, here is the following 3 things. 1. Feeling unable to be myself and not feeling happy with my life enough to admit to my family I am gay. 2. The lack of inspiration and hope for me in my current situation. 3. The Conservative Party


You're very right. There is a risk with straight people for STDs as well, anyway. And straight people conduct dangerous sexual acts the same as gay people do, anyway.


I like it too.

as far as I was aware, both sides knew. I chose to sat with my current "friends" on my own accord - and after a few lessons they asked me "Are you not going to sit with us...?". I merely replied "No, sorry, I've decided to sit here from now on". Like I said, they convinced one of their other friends outside the group (who, unlike them, was female) to "beg" me to sit with them. At that point, I viewed it as an act of desperation and full-out declined.



The more I read, the more I wonder if you're trying too hard to relate to me.

Anyway, it depends. If angered by them, I would swear in front of parents. Otherwise, just in whispers to myself if angered by (for example) the computer etc. As for begging, it's more along the lines of "Come on, [Name], just say S---! Nothing will happen! Just say it!" etc.



Other than Ashtanga Yoga (which I plan to do for flexibility, and the person running the studio hasn't replied to my e-mail yet...), I do somewhat have in interest in Tap Dance, myself.



I would say far from! Where chavs would wear gold chains, jeans, put on a scouse accent and act "tough"; Preps would be far more refined - Always acting happy and polite, wearing Khakis and "old money" Jewellery, with a posh accent (using words like "Mother" and "Father"). Preps would almost always be found wearing Dress Shirts (with ties), or Polo Shirts etc. They would never be found without Khakis or Chinos.



Indeed.



*paranoia rises by 10%*

Changed your mind slightly quickly, did you not...? I may be jumping to conclusions a bit here, but you are agreeing with me far too much, are you not?



True. In a way, I wish it were easy to tell (to those who are gay, not straights) who was and who wasn't gay.



Surprisingly, I found myself waking screaming - but not on my knees.



Great.



I wish there was a Bartitsu class . Sadly, they only seem to have those in the south of England and, surprisingly, a few places in America. As for Warhammer, I know a friend also who plays it - but he goes to Newcastle every week - which my parents obviously wouldn't agree to.



Numbers 1 and 3 I believe can be accomplished by going away (As, with 1, you'll probably be able to build up not only alot of self-confidence, but also most likely the ability to find the perfect person). As for the second, it depends on your views of "inspiration and hope". Financially, pretty much the whole world is in recession. Romantically, the chances are high of you finding a partner. Anything other than that, I believe it's how you interpret it.



True. I view it purely as homophobic, in my eyes.

And, why would I want to do that?


Could you go with your friend every second week and every other week get your dad to take both of you? That way, it's halving his number of journeys. If your brother gets taken places, shouldn't you?


I'm glad you understand me.


It is.

That's exactly what I was wondering... Again, this is just me getting really paranoid for no reason.



True, good point, but my parents are slightly biased that way... Not to mention, my brother's chess club is in Carlisle whilst, to drive to Newcastle, would have "high petrol costs". If it's based on a relatively new game (such as Warhammer), my parents dismiss it as "pointless", regardless. They allow my brother to chess because "We live close by to the club, it's a logic game with reason that has been famous for thousands of years". When I mentioned, ages ago, about some game competition in Manchester - they said it was "Pointless, too costly and overall a waste of time"...



Indeed.




True.

To set the record straight, I knew that you were deliberately testing me to see if I "changed my mind", but I continued as I always have done by being honest and sharing my thoughts and personal takes on what we have been discussing.

First of all, with regards to discussing the gay acting boy, I had originally quickly written up a brief summary of the situation at the time. I did not clearly explain it all in full and when you brought in a clear contrast in yourself from what I was explaining, I had to correct you on your perception of my words. There is no point in writing something, seeing someone pick it up wrongly and just leaving them to have an inaccurate understanding of you.

As for the celebrity issue, I never at any point claimed or even implied that I fantasize over celebrities. I simply brought up the issue of Neil Robertson as I wondered if he was at all gay. I then explained that I supported him because of his looks and further explained that when I see someone attractive, I imagine or even presume that they are gay automatically. Infact, I was actually NOT the same as you because I was pointing out the fact that, after you yourself said that you do, I do not fantasize over celebrities at all. When you said what you thought about never meeting celebrities, I explained that I felt that way about everyone I see that I'm attracted to, not just celebrities.

I have, you are right, agreed with you a lot. It has been very nice to talk to someone so similar to myself and good for me when I was really feeling like there was nobody anywhere near similar to me. Of course, we are not the same. There are probably many things different about us. But, it is good to find somebody who shares some personal differences, some which seemed totally odd beforehand.

Besides all this, I think a simple word count would show that you have said "I agree" and similar phrases far more than I have. Perhaps I should be getting paranoid.

It just seems a little too suspicious that there is someone I can relate to/agree with that much... That's all, really, that's arousing my suspicion (as well as obvious parent influence, as I've just found out they've been looking over my posts/messages/websites whilst I was at school . 'Tis time to start passwording my computer, it seems).



Good point. My apologies for doubting you.



Trust me, it's not just agreeing and the fact that my parents are trying to get involved. It was the idea of your kindness/selflessness in regards to a certain film you mentioned. I've seen kindness on the internet before (to the point where I knew someone down south helped get in contact with an LGBT group around my home town for me), but I guess the point I'm trying to make here (in the most discrete manner) is that it was free of cost for them to get in contact (as they had a relative living up in the area, they could do so easily).

Regardless, it seems even that problem has reached a conclusion, as I managed to convince my parents to buy the DVD online.

Yeah, maybe it is. When I meet people online I do often try and be a little different from myself and it always fails. Of course, in this instance, we've merely been acquaintances having a discussion so I have just been myself.


Don't apologise. You're right to be careful. I just struggle to make friends anyway and this I suppose isn't a suitable opportunity to and that's not your fault.


I did not see it as particular kindness but of course it does appear that way. I wanted personally to try and change your parents attitude and see if it worked.

I was even considering in the last post writing that I thought telling your parents was perhaps a bad idea. But now I see that you do have the situation in total control and it's just a matter of patience and persistence. I guess that's jealousy for you

True. It's just me being far too suspicious, really.



I have a right to be careful, 'tis true, but do I have the right to be overly paranoid and jump to conclusions/assumptions? I think not. It is for that which I apologise.



Thank you for your efforts, but as you say, I appear to have the thing under control for the time being. Thank you.

It's ok.

Well, I hope I have been of some assistance since I first posted. I read through the thread and found what I thought was exactly what I went through, so I thought I would offer advice.

I have information on this subject for you to read. It's from my First Minister being interviewed and the question, "When will gay and bisexual men be able to give blood in Scotland?"

Exclusive: SNP leader and Scottish first minister Alex Salmond answers your questions - from Pink News

Hope it's of interest.

Thank you. It's pretty vague, but hopefully the report reviewed in 2010 will help clarify things.

Just wanted to sort out the confusion over who is responsible for changing it. Also, I'm really pleased to finally find out that the party I support is fully supportive of our community!