I DESPISE being around children

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forweg
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20 Aug 2009, 6:10 pm

It's not that I have a dislike for them. In fact, I quite like interacting with them by my nature. However, the problem is that I feel like I'm looked at as some sort of weird, creepy, sick pervert for even looking in a child's direction. It isn't just individuals that do this. It's this entire society. I'm unfortunate enough to a) be born male b) be tall, big, fat, and ugly and c) have Asperger's (ie social "creepiness").

Therefore, I'm worse than nothing to this society. I'm wretched, disgusting, sub-human filth that needs to be exterminated. It's kind of a self-fulfilling cycle. The more people look at me as if I'm some sort of sick beast, the sicker in the head I indeed get. I learned the the way things are probably around 13 or 14. Ever since then, I've avoided children when at all possible. When for whatever reason I'm forced to be in the same room as one, I get really anxious and uncomfortable (which I'm sure makes things a thousand times worse).

Now that I think about it, I'll extend this to females in general as well. For example, I remember the last time I was out in a large social space. It was in the summer of 2002 at Cornerstone, a hippie Christian music festival in Illinois I was forced to go to. I didn't know what the hell to do there all day and night so I just randomly lurked around the whole time. On two separate occasions one night, when I was just standing alone by the side of the road minding my own goddamn business, two different teenage girls (about the same age as me at the time) looked at me with a mixture of utter disdain, fear, and hatred. FOR NO REASON. I will never forget those looks as long as I live. There could never be an expression of greater disdain.

To summarize this rant: Society says if you're male, not particularly attractive, and socially incompetent, you are without doubt an evil, disgusting creep and deserve to die!

I really need a blog...



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20 Aug 2009, 7:29 pm

No kids, please topic

Kids are not to everyone's liking or needing. I am not sure where where you are going with this rant (I am aspie, too, and have a hard time unless someone is very specific) but it sounds like talking to someone who understands AS is in order. In person, one-on-one.

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20 Aug 2009, 7:41 pm

forweg wrote:
It's not that I have a dislike for them. In fact, I quite like interacting with them by my nature. However, the problem is that I feel like I'm looked at as some sort of weird, creepy, sick pervert for even looking in a child's direction. It isn't just individuals that do this. It's this entire society. I'm unfortunate enough to a) be born male b) be tall, big, fat, and ugly and c) have Asperger's (ie social "creepiness").

Therefore, I'm worse than nothing to this society. I'm wretched, disgusting, sub-human filth that needs to be exterminated. It's kind of a self-fulfilling cycle. The more people look at me as if I'm some sort of sick beast, the sicker in the head I indeed get. I learned the the way things are probably around 13 or 14. Ever since then, I've avoided children when at all possible. When for whatever reason I'm forced to be in the same room as one, I get really anxious and uncomfortable (which I'm sure makes things a thousand times worse).

Now that I think about it, I'll extend this to females in general as well. For example, I remember the last time I was out in a large social space. It was in the summer of 2002 at Cornerstone, a hippie Christian music festival in Illinois I was forced to go to. I didn't know what the hell to do there all day and night so I just randomly lurked around the whole time. On two separate occasions one night, when I was just standing alone by the side of the road minding my own goddamn business, two different teenage girls (about the same age as me at the time) looked at me with a mixture of utter disdain, fear, and hatred. FOR NO REASON. I will never forget those looks as long as I live. There could never be an expression of greater disdain.

To summarize this rant: Society says if you're male, not particularly attractive, and socially incompetent, you are without doubt an evil, disgusting creep and deserve to die!

I really need a blog...



Hmmm. What I understand from what you wrote is that it isn't the children themselves that are the problem, but this weird hang-up that we have in our society these days where people are obsessed with pedophila and that kind of thing. I think it's gotten way out of hand, and I really feel for you.

I have two lovely children, and I would never want anything bad to happen to them, of course. But I also think that a man should be able to sit on a park bench and enjoy watching children play. I mean, what have we become, as a society, when we assume that a man watching children is up to some seedy and sinister deeds? Really. Sure, there are baddies out there, and we all need to have an awareness of it, and keep an eye on our kids. But in general, to just assume that a man like you, or any man, is some kind of creepy perv--well, it's just wrong.

So, I'm sorry to hear that that's happening to you. It's not fair, and it sucks.



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20 Aug 2009, 7:54 pm

You can't do anything about tall or big.

You might be able to do something about fat, but only a few are willing to do a lot of exercise, change their diet, address whatever health problems might contribute to fatness, etc. However even just some exercise (30 mins a day) can do a lot to change a person from "fat and sloppy" to "on the bigger side but it looks like he takes care of himself"

Ugly? That has A LOT to do with your clothing and personal grooming. If you wear beat-up, faded, casual, outdated clothes; if you wear ratty old shoes, a cracked belt, a plastic digital watch; if you carry a big floppy bag or backpack; if your glasses are big and square; if your hair is too long and has no product in it; if you have beard stubble; if you have bad breath and earwax, etc, THAT will look ugly.

It's a pretty simple matter to get some new clothes and accessories, fashionable glasses, a new haircut, and a clean shave. I don't have any idea whether you already do this or not, but if not, I bet it'd help.

Also, obviously some therapy or assertiveness training might help you to brush off mean looks and comments, and to feel better about yourself.



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20 Aug 2009, 8:18 pm

sg33 wrote:
You can't do anything about tall or big.

You might be able to do something about fat, but only a few are willing to do a lot of exercise, change their diet, address whatever health problems might contribute to fatness, etc. However even just some exercise (30 mins a day) can do a lot to change a person from "fat and sloppy" to "on the bigger side but it looks like he takes care of himself"

Ugly? That has A LOT to do with your clothing and personal grooming. If you wear beat-up, faded, casual, outdated clothes; if you wear ratty old shoes, a cracked belt, a plastic digital watch; if you carry a big floppy bag or backpack; if your glasses are big and square; if your hair is too long and has no product in it; if you have beard stubble; if you have bad breath and earwax, etc, THAT will look ugly.

It's a pretty simple matter to get some new clothes and accessories, fashionable glasses, a new haircut, and a clean shave. I don't have any idea whether you already do this or not, but if not, I bet it'd help.

Also, obviously some therapy or assertiveness training might help you to brush off mean looks and comments, and to feel better about yourself.


This is *so* blaming the victim.

I am very angry as I type this. I, too, "fail" to meet society's preferences as to appearance, society's false associations of appearance to various levels of nefariousness, of society's fear of "the other," of society's scapegoating unusual people.

Why do people feel free to say, "Well if you'd just lose a little weight and spruce yourself up a bit, dear, you could be so attractive." People have no right to judge and no right to cast their projection of evil onto others.



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20 Aug 2009, 8:29 pm

I happen to work in an elementary school filled with about 300 children. My job there involves working on some level with every one of those kids every day. I won't go into exact detail on what I do, but it mostly entails dealing with complaints large and small. Some kids just aren't very polite, as in they don't know how to keep bad commentary to themselves. I get it all from name calling, bad jokes, snickering when I supposedly look at a kid funny, and questions on "why do you act/talk/move funny?" One girl wouldn't stop with the joke where you repeat everything someone says in a bad imitation of the victims voice. My doctor told me not to worry about it because a kid doesn't know better, but I think some do. Some of their behaviors only get worse as they get older.

With bad, there is also some good. The kids that treat me as their friend are that way because I found a common ground with them. I could have gave them a hint to a video game, read the latest comic book, or seen the last episode of their action filled cartoon. All of which makes talking to them easier. You can even give them gifts like card game cards, but I wouldn't give gifts to a kid you don't know on the street, that just makes you a creep to them



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20 Aug 2009, 8:57 pm

its like that australian airport rule, that men, in general, are forbidden to sit next to children travelling allone

"sorry sir, cant take any chances!"

take what chances... exactly?

"well, that your gonna totally turn all monstrous on us, in front of everyone, and ... " yeah, we get the idea.

goes away :(


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20 Aug 2009, 9:43 pm

I'm sorry you're in such a tough spot.
Because of my history, I would probably look at you suspiciously if I thought you were looking too closely at my kids. And I was probably over paranoid about ever having them alone with a male, and I'm sure I hurt some people. I'm sorry, but again, I can't help my version of PTSD. However, all my kids save one grew up unmolested. One didn't, because she went searching for it. I still think there was some history before I adopted her because I never saw a little person so obsessed with sex.
I'm sorry you have to be an innocent victim of this hard world.



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20 Aug 2009, 10:21 pm

sartresue wrote:
Kids are not to everyone's liking or needing.


People who say this kind of thing do not know how to season them properly.

j/k, I can relate to this.



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21 Aug 2009, 5:25 am

It sucks that you are thought to be a pedo when u are minding your own business.



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21 Aug 2009, 7:45 am

I know how you feel. I'm not exactly fond of younger children myself. Not that I hate them, I often fear that my very presence causes a child or baby to start screaming and crying even when I don't do anything (even though it hasn't really happened).



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21 Aug 2009, 10:20 am

elderwanda: You got it spot-on.

lelia wrote:
I'm sorry you're in such a tough spot.
Because of my history, I would probably look at you suspiciously if I thought you were looking too closely at my kids. And I was probably over paranoid about ever having them alone with a male, and I'm sure I hurt some people. I'm sorry, but again, I can't help my version of PTSD. However, all my kids save one grew up unmolested. One didn't, because she went searching for it. I still think there was some history before I adopted her because I never saw a little person so obsessed with sex.
I'm sorry you have to be an innocent victim of this hard world.


Actually, I totally understand your feelings on this. If I were you, I'd probably keep my children away from me too. I'm all too aware of how beastly I look and strangely I act.

But realizing this doesn't make me feel any better about it. It's indescribable how damaging being regarded as worthless trash who would potentially harm children is to one's psyche. People don't even try to hide the looks of disgust from their faces. I'm not worth it, apparently. I mean, I've been looked at this way since I was about fourteen.

I truly believe that many (if not most) crimes are the result of a self-fulfilling cycle.



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21 Aug 2009, 12:53 pm

It seems to me that all males are regarded as likely pedos -- that it doesn't have too much to do with how you look or behave. I think even Mr. Perfectly Normal Guy is going to get treated that way.

I think the only "out" is if you have your own kids and they're with you (but that's probably iffy).

And people don't think beyond their immediate concerns. Fortunately it's not (yet) legal for parents to have single people jailed for acknowledging their kid, because the kid glommed onto to them at the grocery store or something and won't leave them alone.


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21 Aug 2009, 1:09 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Fortunately it's not (yet) legal for parents to have single people jailed for acknowledging their kid, because the kid glommed onto to them at the grocery store or something and won't leave them alone.


So true! I spent 20 minutes outside with my dog today, and got glommed twice by children. What bugs me is the parents don't call off their kids.