God is a sadistic monster (if he exists)

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He allows People to be born with disabilities and other birth defects he allows Satan to tempt us into evil deeds. He needs to get over the whole apple eating thing. Threre is absolutely no logic in gods word! If he is all knowing wouldn't he know if we are going to hell and he gives us freedom? Huh?! Does not make sense too me!

No evidence of god. Or Satan. Or hobgoblins, faeries, mermaids, or unicorns.

this is my logic:

1. The unvierse is imperfect
2. Therefor it's creator is imperfect
3. God is imperfect
4. Imperfection is not godlike
5. He is not a god
6. There is no god

Several several presumptions.

Nevermind. There is no "God".

Well, the creation of the universe doesn't make sense either, whatever or whoever created it.
We have to make the most of what we have. We might be socially inept, but we can change that somewhat, and if all else fails, find our talents and niches and excel.

To all the other posters, let people believe in what they want to believe.

Voluntarism. Not exactly well-evidenced either...

I'm actually an agnostic individual myself. I don't believe one way or another, I don't know if there's a God.. but there has to be a "creator". The universe didn't make itself, there had to be something that started the big-bang (if there was such a thing) it didn't start itself. If we go by human logic, something always originates from something yet confusingly we don't apply it here.

You'd have to look it up, i'm trying to educate myself somewhat religiously myself. Just to educate myself and be more informed before saying "He doesn't exist." Although sometimes its freaking nuts, I mean some religions (even christian ones) do not even believe in hell. Its against their interpretation of what God would do and that punishment is just permanent death as opposed to ongoing life.

I can never be so sure, you see a lot of kids today being in the in-crowd of atheism, but it'll definitely take me years before I can ever really just decide on whether or not a God exists christian (The faith my family raised me in) or otherwise.

It is very obvious there is no god. Psychology has more than enough convincing explainations for why humans created the concept of god, gods, spirits, the duality of body and soul and all the other nonsense.

Is it now? I have a hard time judging the universe by human (or my own personal) standards.


A car is red, therefore its creator must be red also. This is a fallacy.


Assuming the existence of God this may or may not be true. I think people think too highly of god-like beings.


By Judeo-Christian standards very possibly, but many other cultures have gods who are not perfect. Many anthropologists believe the concept of divinity came about long after the development of fetishes and shamanism. If this is true, then it may also be true that humans developed gods to accommodate their imperfections rather than to give them ideals to aspire to.


He? HE?! Don't get me started. If what you're trying to say is, "An imperfect god is not a god," then I'd have to ask if an imperfect tomato is any less a tomato. I understand you've already demolished part of your reasoning with "There is only one god who is male, perfect, and the creator of what I perceive to be an imperfect universe," but... well, that's a pretty specific statement. It may also be a true one. *grin*


Very possibly true, but certainly not proven by your reasoning. The attempt was copy and pasted from another source, I think.

Some of the best philosophical writing in recent history has been on this topic. For an intro read the Wikipedia article on The Existence of God and then grab some Russell and Spinoza. Very easily read and good starter material.

I would humbly suggest this is worth your time.

If you're like me and you're agnostic and a devout Pastafarian, you may find that much of your sentiment is reactionary and in response to abuses suffered in modern churches that depend heavily on pre-apologetic beliefs. Their rigid belief structure and lack of logic often drives aspies out the door. Just my experience and observation.

Be well.

Ironic that I can understand all the suffering in the world but the one thing I never understood about God is why he created Autism and PDDs. Why would God make people who's only purpose in life is to be socially inept and piss everyone off? Especially when his main objective is for Christians to communicate the word of God to others? If you're autistic, you don't even have the social ability to do such a thing so why would God even hinder his own objective by creating such a thing?

It is not necessary to reason about the existence of something that is obviously created by invention or just pure imagination.

As such, the concept of a God exists in our minds but this is it. We can try to find out why humanity created the notion of God in the first place but the mere fact is: Science already knows why this is so. For every and any single phenomenon that has in some way been related to the work of a God provides a better and reasonable explaination that can be verified by experiments. For some open questions science has not found a definite answer yet but it is very reasonable to assume that at some point in time theories will be described, improved, verified or replaced by better theories.

Where science provides useful explaination and verifiable predictions, religion offers lies, nonsense and fairy tales. It is not necessary to focus on any specific religious cult because scientific descriptions of the true nature of religion hold true for all cultic, theistic systems. People are born and die and we know how that happens. Period.

if god did not do this then all this would be a dictatorship and god loves us enough to give us the freedom to do as we please only there are consequences for certain actions and if we want us to be forgiven he allows us to be and he allows satan to tempt us because if he didnt, everyone would go to heaven and seriously who needs bad people in heaven. as for the imperfections of the human race it is a test like math yes it sucks alot (for most) but in the end when you live with no sorrow and no pain you will look back and look at jesus and god and say "dang life might have been tough but atleast im here with you" now they may be buddah or whatever to others but however you look at it when you get to the promise land you will be happy hopefully

wow you know 2 things for sure

1) your religion

2) that if there is a god(s) (which i believe there IS a god) that people base their god(s) on what they want to believe and need like for instance i am ADHD and i beleive that god helps us feel happy and all that i think that if we feel that we cant help ourselves we go to someone else and to some all they have is god and well im not like that....well atleast not yet. i think that if all you have is god then god obviously has very few plans for you and you finished the things he created you to do and then you do something to try and please god next thing you know its become like an addiction and you might have lost all your friends except for your church friends and even they say "get a life that you need because eventually we all die and you should live your life for god and a good time" so in the end if you always devote yourself to god, become a monk, priest or whatever you want because i dont want you to not have a life when you can