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26 Apr 2012, 6:30 pm

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I know what you meant, and of course you would have to work for it, unless you won the lottery, got a big inheritance or something like that. (Not too likely, same goes for me.) It would be cool to be a big celebrity musician / singer like Ozzy, though.


If I was a musician/singer it would be for a metal or rock band, it would be cool to do metal vocals and get to be my crazy maybe even drunk self while singing about crap that pisses me off, crap I enjoy and why I don't belong in society or whatever. But yeah I guess I never met the right people or ever really put much effort into singing or playing instruments.


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26 Apr 2012, 6:40 pm

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I wish I was like Ozzy Osbourne, then I would just do whatever the hell I feel like and it would work out.....lol.


So do I. SHARON!! !! !! !! !! :lol:


Well I guess I more meant it in the sense that, it would be cool if I could just decide I am going to be a vocalist, and then be in a metal band that ends up getting well known, possibly release some solo albums that would solve the whole bringing in income problem...but yeah I really doubt anything like that is going to happen.

Oh, I thought you meant on the private aspect, what with him being a somewhat socially acceptable ex-drunk/drug addict


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26 Apr 2012, 6:46 pm

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I wish I was like Ozzy Osbourne, then I would just do whatever the hell I feel like and it would work out.....lol.


So do I. SHARON!! !! !! !! !! :lol:


Well I guess I more meant it in the sense that, it would be cool if I could just decide I am going to be a vocalist, and then be in a metal band that ends up getting well known, possibly release some solo albums that would solve the whole bringing in income problem...but yeah I really doubt anything like that is going to happen.

Oh, I thought you meant on the private aspect, what with him being a somewhat socially acceptable ex-drunk/drug addict


I wonder if he really has gone totally sober.....lol, but I'll admit if I was a metal/rock vocalist I might indulge in more drug use than I do now as well I could afford it, though I doubt I would ever live up to Ozzys reputation....in that regard.


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27 Apr 2012, 2:00 am

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Alright, I might as well pop up with a singular advice: Get a job.
I'll assume you have sensory issues, live at home and have finished with college.

If you want to get your sh** together, know that it's never a 'big decision', or some sort of wild epiphany that will set you on the straight path. It's the force of will that keep you persistent and stable when doing 'the little things'. That's it. You just need to do the 'little things' that's positive for you and will facilitate your own growth.

A job? Mailman. It's simple, stable and easy to do. Neither does it force you to socialize with other people. There's a silver lining out there. HAHAHA. Lol. Silver lining? Well... Why not?


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27 Apr 2012, 12:52 pm

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A job? Mailman. It's simple, stable and easy to do. Neither does it force you to socialize with other people. There's a silver lining out there. HAHAHA. Lol. Silver lining? Well... Why not?


It also isn't worth doing. They don't hire full time employees anymore. They hire part time people, who have to use their own cars, get no benefits and get paid about 1/3rd an hour what the people hired during the 90's get paid.

I'm sorry to say Sweetleaf, you basically have finally come to the ultimate realization of the world. there is nothing that can be done about it. It's something I struggle with constantly. If I go with the flow, rather than doing what I know is correct, I feel as if I'm capitulating to outside demands all the time.. which makes me hate myself. On the other hand, if I constantly plant my feet and refuse to do anything I don't agree with or which i feel I shouldn't have to do.. I get ignored, moved over, or some other method of being marginalized or sidelined.

As Pink Floyd said, Welcome to the Machine.


If I come to that realization, what then is the point? And even then I mean even in the past when I have tried to go with the flow or whatever, I still can't seem to play the game. I mean its likely people will single me out and exclude me anyways even if I was to try and do that.


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27 Apr 2012, 7:41 pm

Anyway as far as being a rock musician I have come to the conclusion that it is not your technical abilities such as how well you can sing or play an instrument that counts but it is your talent as an all around comprehensive artist that goes beyond being a musician.



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27 Apr 2012, 8:53 pm

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If I come to that realization, what then is the point? And even then I mean even in the past when I have tried to go with the flow or whatever, I still can't seem to play the game. I mean its likely people will single me out and exclude me anyways even if I was to try and do that.


The point is that you only have one life, and even if it isn't perfect, you shouldn't give up on it because other people want you to. An important thing to think about, Normal people aren't 100% accurate at guessing which things to Hold on and which to Fold on.. But they are better at it than we are. Very very few people are capable of always assessing and choosing the correct course of action in a given situation.

The thing is though, I've found, allowing yourself to be paralyzed by fear of making the wrong choice is far more detrimental than making the wrong choice. If you make the wrong choice, big deal, try again. But you have a 50/50 shot at making the right choice.

I think the key thing is realization of the mechanical nature of society. Once you understand the nature of the problem, you are more capable of approaching it and hopefully dealing with it.



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27 Apr 2012, 10:11 pm

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If I come to that realization, what then is the point? And even then I mean even in the past when I have tried to go with the flow or whatever, I still can't seem to play the game. I mean its likely people will single me out and exclude me anyways even if I was to try and do that.


The point is that you only have one life, and even if it isn't perfect, you shouldn't give up on it because other people want you to. An important thing to think about, Normal people aren't 100% accurate at guessing which things to Hold on and which to Fold on.. But they are better at it than we are. Very very few people are capable of always assessing and choosing the correct course of action in a given situation.

Its not about my life not being perfect, no ones life is perfect, I just don't really see the point if there is nothing that can be changed about this horrible society. I mean I can't just pretend it doesn't bother me.

The thing is though, I've found, allowing yourself to be paralyzed by fear of making the wrong choice is far more detrimental than making the wrong choice. If you make the wrong choice, big deal, try again. But you have a 50/50 shot at making the right choice.

Also I was not really talking about being afraid of making the wrong choice, its more of not even knowing what choice to make to begin with....and always feeling alienated from the society I am apparently supposed to try and be a part of. And the constant anxiety I feel isn't a choice I have Generalized Anxiety and PTSD so the anxiety can come on at any time, any minute and it can be very disabling I did not choose any of that. I mean if I had a choice in the matter I would not have anxiety attacks or PTSD flashbacks that make me feel totally helpless and weak.....I mean I had quite a bit of anxiety attack earlier and literally had to sit in the corner and cry about it and yeah that made me feel very respectable and strong...well not really but at least it kind of helped me let out a lot of emotional crap I must have had bottled up. And it does get to be a big deal when I seem to fail at everything I attempt.



I think the key thing is realization of the mechanical nature of society. Once you understand the nature of the problem, you are more capable of approaching it and hopefully dealing with it.


I do have some understanding of the nature of the problem...this society is sick, it creates an unhealthy environment and thus contributes to mental illness, and the only way I can see to deal with that is do the best to cope with my symptoms but yeah every day I get more convinced nothing can change in society at least not in my life time......so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess. Is the meaning of life.


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27 Apr 2012, 10:22 pm

Everyone has an alter ego that is not corrupt.



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27 Apr 2012, 10:32 pm

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Everyone has an alter ego that is not corrupt.


Then I imagine they also have one that is.


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28 Apr 2012, 8:34 am

Oh, no I wasn't insinuating that anyone had a perfect life. I was simply saying that no one was perfect at always making the right social choices. Sometimes, I at least, make the wrong conclusion that everyone else but us has no problems.. But really they just have a more instinctive way of dealing with the problems we try to handle logically or simple don't pay any attention to.

I think you are right, though, the key thing is just to cope the best you can and struggle through. Eventually, hopefully, you will come across an opportunity which will begin to help. This is the true curse of the aspie, you might be surrounded by these opportunities and not be able to see them, and no one is going to tell you about them. So you continue on your way.



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28 Apr 2012, 9:05 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I do have some understanding of the nature of the problem...this society is sick, it creates an unhealthy environment and thus contributes to mental illness, and the only way I can see to deal with that is do the best to cope with my symptoms but yeah every day I get more convinced nothing can change in society at least not in my life time......so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess. Is the meaning of life.


I don't quite see how "society is sick" with its "unhealthy enviroment", and you don't give any details about what aspects of normal society you want changed, although it can be difficult "fitting in" and pretending to be normal. I guess society just mocks ans makes it difficult to be different.

You are right with the "so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess" part, but I think there is becoming more awareness of aspergers and in 20 years things might be different in society, so don't be too pesimistic. Also as you get older you will become better at acting like a NT through learning from mistakes which should also help.

Best wishes,
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28 Apr 2012, 9:42 am

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Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:

I do have some understanding of the nature of the problem...this society is sick, it creates an unhealthy environment and thus contributes to mental illness, and the only way I can see to deal with that is do the best to cope with my symptoms but yeah every day I get more convinced nothing can change in society at least not in my life time......so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess. Is the meaning of life.


I don't quite see how "society is sick" with its "unhealthy enviroment", and you don't give any details about what aspects of normal society you want changed, although it can be difficult "fitting in" and pretending to be normal. I guess society just mocks ans makes it difficult to be different.

You are right with the "so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess" part, but I think there is becoming more awareness of aspergers and in 20 years things might be different in society, so don't be too pesimistic. Also as you get older you will become better at acting like a NT through learning from mistakes which should also help.

Best wishes,
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I could write reams of papers about societies problems, and how to fix them, but in so doing it would make me a very unpopular person. I do agree with Sweetleaf though that there are serious problems which exacerbate the issues which aspies face.



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29 Apr 2012, 8:23 am

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Sweetleaf wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

I do have some understanding of the nature of the problem...this society is sick, it creates an unhealthy environment and thus contributes to mental illness, and the only way I can see to deal with that is do the best to cope with my symptoms but yeah every day I get more convinced nothing can change in society at least not in my life time......so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess. Is the meaning of life.


I don't quite see how "society is sick" with its "unhealthy enviroment", and you don't give any details about what aspects of normal society you want changed, although it can be difficult "fitting in" and pretending to be normal. I guess society just mocks ans makes it difficult to be different.

You are right with the "so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess" part, but I think there is becoming more awareness of aspergers and in 20 years things might be different in society, so don't be too pesimistic. Also as you get older you will become better at acting like a NT through learning from mistakes which should also help.

Best wishes,
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I could write reams of papers about societies problems, and how to fix them, but in so doing it would make me a very unpopular person. I do agree with Sweetleaf though that there are serious problems which exacerbate the issues which aspies face.


Well it exacerbates issues people with other mental disorders have and even issues some neurotypicals have. But yeah I've certainly never been a popular person so I suppose I would have nothing to lose if I wrote such papers. Not that I actually would, I might at some point but not planning on it now.


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29 Apr 2012, 8:38 am

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I do have some understanding of the nature of the problem...this society is sick, it creates an unhealthy environment and thus contributes to mental illness, and the only way I can see to deal with that is do the best to cope with my symptoms but yeah every day I get more convinced nothing can change in society at least not in my life time......so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess. Is the meaning of life.


I don't quite see how "society is sick" with its "unhealthy enviroment", and you don't give any details about what aspects of normal society you want changed, although it can be difficult "fitting in" and pretending to be normal. I guess society just mocks ans makes it difficult to be different.

Yeah....it does seem to make it difficult if you don't fit in, thing is I couldn't pretend to be normal if my life depended on it, so I gave on that some time ago.

You are right with the "so cope with the symptoms and try to survive I guess" part, but I think there is becoming more awareness of aspergers and in 20 years things might be different in society, so don't be too pesimistic. Also as you get older you will become better at acting like a NT through learning from mistakes which should also help.
Best wishes,
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I don't even know if I will live till the age of 42, which is how old I'll be in 20 years....but yeah somehow the possibility of things maybe being different in society(which I kind of doubt at this point) does not really seem to increase my motivation for life. I mean how am I supposed to not be pessemistic right now things kind of suck....I already spent my whole childhood trying to believe it would get better...only to have things get worse, so why would that trend not continue? Also I have not gotten any better at acting like an NT, and I don't see it as a mistake if I am not trying to act like an NT which I fail at anyways. But how would learning to act NT help anyways..that would just be hell for me living a lie and not being able to truly be myself not to mention there is the question of why should I? I don't feel like I owe them anything.


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29 Apr 2012, 10:42 pm

Maybe you should be a rock star.