something to think about before suicide.....

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xCarlax
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13 May 2012, 6:24 pm

i found this last night,

Spiritual research Foundation

i have been feeling quite suicidal the last month, also posted on here a couple of days ago, and thank you, got some helpful and understanding responses,

this page very much made me think about alot of stuff though, and it might just do with you, clearly suicide=hell, and compared to earth, im thinking hell is alot worse....
soooo.... i ask you to read, because no matter how much we want to, unless you'd like to experience a sub group of hell, or the 7th plane, please dont! :(
THAT would be the worst choice, terribly worser than here on earth, i see anyhow.



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13 May 2012, 7:01 pm

doesnt exactly do much to sonmeone who doesnt believe in such things.



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13 May 2012, 7:16 pm

MXH wrote:
doesnt exactly do much to sonmeone who doesnt believe in such things.


Agreed, I believe that when you die you're not aware of anything that's going on (Like when you're sleep). Part of the reason why suicide is such a attractive option for people who are suffering greatly and just want it to end.

I doubt hell even exists, I mean, do people believe someone like Vincent Van Gogh is in hell because he killed himself?



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13 May 2012, 7:31 pm

Jesus freaks...


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13 May 2012, 7:33 pm

hey, who says i believe in any religion, i dont believe in god or the devil, dont believe in jesus or the bible, i take in all opinions and make my own beliefs and judgements.
and i found this to be quite helpful.
its a little bit of hope for if people are feeling down, its not about me trying to shove my beliefs down someones throat.... please wake up.



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13 May 2012, 7:50 pm

I woke up a long time ago. Faith is dead.


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13 May 2012, 7:55 pm

Hey I'm glad this has helped you.........I imagine it wouldn't do much good to me though since half the time I already feel like I'm in hell so another eternity of it does not make much difference to me. But yeah I am glad when people find things that help them, even if its not something that would help me.


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13 May 2012, 8:13 pm

well it explains that we are in "waitin" sometimes for up to 500yrs, to come back and learn to progress, but my opinion of myself, i feel for myself that i was in hell, and so that is why im more of a victim, basically things could be a whole lot worse.earth is the only place wer all planes exist in one, it is the shortest timeing for planes only bout 50-100yrs, but the place where you learn lessons very fast, so basically i see it as, if i wer in hell, and my time had come again to come back to earth and learn lessons (another chance) then i see so far, that if i want to be in a better place, then realisticly i shouldnt be killing myself because i cant handle things on earth, because ill only go to hell, and the time and tortue will be worse, so what im trying to say, is that i think i can put up with a bit more s**t, afterall, i was one of a million eggs to actually have this life....



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13 May 2012, 9:36 pm

xCarlax wrote:
hey, who says i believe in any religion, i dont believe in god or the devil, dont believe in jesus or the bible, i take in all opinions and make my own beliefs and judgements.
and i found this to be quite helpful.
its a little bit of hope for if people are feeling down, its not about me trying to shove my beliefs down someones throat.... please wake up.


So you passed all that nonsense and then at the VERY end you said "Hey, guys. I'm not going to do it because i'm scared of going someplace worse!"

HAHAHAHA.

Ok, whatever works for you.. this is a help forum so i'm glad you found a way out. You got me there.

But really? Fear is not hope. Fear is fear, and living in fear is hell on earth.

You want a reason to stay alive, then stay here to help us fix this 1984-like society. When someone else does not see corruption, YOU see it. When someone else does something wrong, YOU point it out. We need people who can think for themselves. Don't compare yourself to others more successful- redefine success.

In 100 years they will be dead. Their piles of money will be dust. And the thing people will remember is who led them out of the fire they were in. And it's a hot one.

"WAR IS PEACE," "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY," "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."



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13 May 2012, 11:31 pm

lets just say i dont want to be stuck with demons for hundreds of years, that would be very much worse than what i have,

im trying to convince myself to see things better, so dont bloody put me down thanks,
because the thoughts can easily come back,,,,because after all in the end, what im dealing with is alot more pain emotionally, it is alot more hell, then just "fear"

dont break my efforts to stay here, break your own thank you.



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14 May 2012, 12:07 am

If you choose to believe in the demons, they become real.

So don't.
Ignore them.
Cast them out!

Life sucks if you are being forced to live it, you need a reason to live besides fear of not living.

No-one will punish me, or even you, for quitting early.
They aren't allowed.
We have the choice and we make the calls.

But don't you wonder what kind of adventures you might have? I do. That's why I stay.

Should I stay or should I go?
I think I will stay.



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14 May 2012, 12:28 am

Corner you crossed the line. Stop.

Carla: The fact that you are posting here is a good thing. This is what these forums are here for... what better place to get help or support than where others do know what its like?

Talk to you Bf.. or just go and hug him for a long time. :)



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14 May 2012, 1:30 am

I crossed no line.

Wallowing in self pity is not acceptable, even if it is easiest. I learned this and I wish to show xCarlax the same.

You suggest hugs will make the problem go away?



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14 May 2012, 3:12 am

i dont feel you are showing me the same what so ever, i feel your pushing your words onto me and i dont like it all to much thank you, if it was advice different story but i never even give people a chance if there going to be the way you are being,

im feeling extremely depressed, and this article gave me what i felt i needed to clear my head abit, and if it does the same for someone else then im very happy for posting this as i know someone else has gotten a bit of help too.

i thank you for shoving your opinion down my throat, instead, of being genuine and understanding and offering advice and methods that helped out.

you experience it all different, in each way possible, every person does, so assuming that your way will work for me is selfish, and i dont see how you are really "wishing" of anything better.

suggestions is the key, people listen to suggestions, who's gonna listen to someone who shoots down others opinions and theres is the only way. i have had alot of positive and very thankful response from good people on here, giving me suggestions and advice and just knowing im not in it alone. yours has not been that great of a supposed "suggestion"



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14 May 2012, 11:43 am

CornerPuzzlePieces wrote:
I crossed no line.

Wallowing in self pity is not acceptable, even if it is easiest. I learned this and I wish to show xCarlax the same.

You suggest hugs will make the problem go away?


Corner you are laughing at someone for finding something that helps them with their suicidal feelings....that is crossing a line. People post in The Haven for support not for ridicule. So I'm with that other poster who thinks you should knock it off.


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14 May 2012, 12:42 pm

"Corner" is the adjective, if you must shorten it then please, call me "puzzlepieces".

Hmm. Well I do see your point, however I am not laughing at her. I found the notion of completing a 100mile sprint only to drop at the 1meter mark amusing, I apologize if that was interpreted as mockery.

I don't mock people with depression. I know what it feels like to be in that pit.

However I don't get this "there, there" attitude that people seem to offer whenever depression is found. Helping the person come to terms with it, to understand it and to find ways of controlling it- that is what she needs. If I could offer it in person I would in a heartbeat!

If one want's to stop going outside because you keep getting sunburned, you don't conjure up a ferocious dog image to scare yourself inside.. that's taking a step in the wrong direction! You find reasons to stay inside for the moment. Like hobbies.. you see what I mean?

I also don't think crying on her boyfriends shoulder is the right response, it will cause more harm than good in the long run. If you need support that is fine, but the things you tackle yourself are what make us who we are. Don't ever give that up!