Should I be ashamed for wanting to move out?
If you have read through most of my older posts, you may have some idea of my family situation. In August of this year, I plan on moving out from my family house to an apartment near my university. Nobody is forcing me to do this, and certainly no plan has been made for me by any disability agency to establish myself as an independent person. I just feel like it is time for me to move out. I am in the process of looking for a job to build up enough for a security deposit, as well as buy groceries. I have also secured a work-study job for the fall and have enough in pell grants to do this. My college tuition is hopefully mostly paid for by the state VR agency. I am one year away from graduating with a bachelor's degree.
Since my 19 year-old sister had her baby, things around the house have have been going badly. My sister and my dad haven't had a good relationship. When she is mad, she treats my dad like he is the devil incarnate. But when she is happy, she treats him like he is a great father. It is a very unstable relationship she has with him. Even though she is legally in custody of the child (her ex-hubby is a convicted drug dealer in prison) expects him (or me) to spend most of the day watching her child for her. When she does take care of the child (this is increasingly so), she gets neglectful.
For instance, today she put him in the high chair in the kitchen, but didn't strap him in (because I was in there eating breakfast). I left and I thought someone else was watching him, but she had gone to her room. A little while later, I heard a loud crash and heard him crying, followed by my dad saying "goddammit." She came out and comforted him. Apparently, she understood she was not watching him, because she didn't go kablooey on my dad.
Then when he gets difficult while diapering (I notice this too when I change him) she gets frustrated and sets his head down on the floor too hard. Her She finds the smallest offence in a lot of thing my dad says or does (or doesn't want to do) and explodes on him. He does have a penchant for not really being politically correct or saying things in a sensitive way. He told me that he doesn't feel like he should have to always "pussyfoot around with her"
Because of bad experiences with boyfriends in the past, she thinks that "men are scum," but still wants a boyfriend. Because of these internalized feelings, she berates me and my dad. She even said that she didn't really like me on account of my interest in anime, Pokemon and other things, and that she didn't want me "corrupting her child into a smelly nerd with anime."
She usually finds something he said offensive and then insists that he said something he didn't say, and she explodes within a short time. This is usually followed by her leaving the house in a huff (often with her child to go to her boyfriend's house, returning within 3-4 days at most). She says she wants to move out, but she is making little to no effort to find a job or look for apartments.
For his part, my dad is, in his words, "growing steadily frailer and frailer." He says is so frustrated with life here in Idaho that he wants to move back to Montana or to another area. But he says he feels like his health is failing (because of the stress of taking care of her baby and dealing with her explosive temper), and that his hope of moving is growing dimmer. I try to help him out as much as possible by doing housechores and watching the baby whenever possible. He turned 71 last month. He tells me that a lot of his stress comes from having to deal with her, and has reluctantly told me that he had at least one mini-stroke and one mini-heart attack about a year and a half ago. He say that "he just wants to die sometimes."
My dad knows that he is being used. He also is worried about finances. Since he retired, his income has been cut in half. He tells me that another major source of income (disability from a shoulder injury) will be drying up in July. However, he is very reluctant to kick my little sister out because he says he is worried about her baby's well-being. And before she had her baby, he didn't want to kick her out because "he felt he could save her from herself" and "that he couldn't do that to his daughter." But she has been fighting with him for over 4 years now since my parents divorced.
Since my mom divorced her Egyptian husband and moved to the local area (to be with us kids), my mother has been expecting my dad to give her rides to see us). My dad, already hurt by her running off to Egypt with my two younger sisters, and brainwashing them against him, is deeply resentful and doesn't want to help her.
I have one other sister who doesn't do all that much to help out with the baby, and she frequently goes to the gym or studying. I think she is doing it to get away from the situation. Although she doesn't help out with the baby, her and the sister with the baby are very close and frequently go and talk a lot. The other sister had a bad relationship with my dad, but worked her problems out.
Well, even though I have worn out all the same old canards about my family again, I feel like there is no future for me here. I am so anxious that I even feel guilty about leaving my dad alone with her baby to take a walk or watch a movie. I used to play video games all the time, but I sold my PS2 and all I have is a DS now. My dad said I am welcome to stay as long as I want (probably because he wants me to take care of him in his old age, which is the traditional Japanese thing to do). The house is feeling more and more cramped. My dad and me share a bedroom, and I admit I have human needs to satisfy (you can guess what I mean) and it is hard when I share a room with my dad. I would like to have some privacy, emotional and mental stability (an Aspie friend of mine remarked recently that I'm "deteriorating," and I notice myself stuttering and stammering even with my dad), and room to recover.
But, when I move out, I feel like I am abandoning the family. My dad has already told he he is "envious of me for moving out" I worry that his health will deteriorate further without my help watching my sister's baby. I worry that there will be a huge fight between her and my dad, ending with my dad having a heart attack. But, on the other hand, I have dreams (like having a nice computer and being able to enjoy my intellectual hobbies and frequent science fiction conventions). If I stay here, I will end up committing suicide or homicide. I'm just at my wit's end.
Anyways, I have presented you with a whole range of conflicting ideas. Any thoughts?
Sweetleaf
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No you certainly should not feel bad for wanting to move out, your probably better off moving out anyways because family drama is usually not helpful for anything. I always used to feel the need to put my family before me under all circumstances.......now the need is gone but the habit is still hard to break. The only reason I have not moved out yet is because I have not found a way yet. Its possible me and my cousin will get an apartment together but she's still looking for work and we have not planned anything definate yet. Basically I am so sick of my family for better or worse I am moving out the first oppurtunity I get....maybe it wont be the best idea in the long run but it's about time I took a risk in life and do something for myself that I can only hold myself responsible for.
It just seems like no one appreciates anything I do around the house. I do the dishes everyday, but both of my sisters b***h about it, and my dad says I'm doing a sloppy job. They dont appreciate my work on their behalf. My dad says today that if I don't get out of doing household chores fast that I will be fired when I get work someday. Well, of course I wouldn't work nearly as fast at a job. At least a boss would pay me, this family really doesn't pay me anything but grief and heartache. I so don't deserve this, and my resentment is building to explosive levels.
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As far as I am concerned you are right and do not deserve that, I feel the same way about my family. Well my family/moms boyfriend(he will never be family to me). The hard thing is letting go of that feeling of responsibility for others. You are responsible for you not for your entire family. I mean for instance my dad drinks a lot and has probably done just about every drug in existance but what can I do about it? I love him but he has his issues so all I can do is accept who he is and not hold the negatives against him he told me he thinks its my fault I ended up having such difficulties but its really not. So i dont know I guess my point with that is chances are people in your family might not want you to feel so responsible for them......after all I don't blame my dad but he blames himself, I hope someday he will see I am what I am and its on me, the way I handle my life and the way I handle having the mental problems I do.
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Given your situation I’d be surprised if you didn’t want to leave home.
I believe that under the best of circumstances adults shouldn’t live under the authority of adults in the family sense. I’d advise you to make sure that when you leave home you are far enough away from your family that you are outside of their sphere of influence.
leejosepho
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Since my 19 year-old sister had her baby, things around the house have have been going badly ...
... expects [my dad] (or me) to spend most of the day watching her child for her ...
... finds the smallest offence in a lot of thing my dad says or does (or doesn't want to do) and explodes on him ...
... even said she didn't really like me ... didn't want me "corrupting her child into a smelly nerd with anime."
...
I try to help [my dad] out as much as possible by doing housechores and watching the baby whenever possible ...
... I feel like there is no future for me here. I am so anxious that I even feel guilty about leaving my dad alone ...
My dad said I am welcome to stay as long as I want (probably because he wants me to take care of him in his old age ...
... when I move out, I feel like I am abandoning the family ...
If I stay here, I will end up committing suicide or homicide. I'm just at my wit's end ...
It just seems like no one appreciates anything I do around the house ...
My dad says today that if I don't get out of doing household chores fast that I will be fired when I get work someday. Well, of course I wouldn't work nearly as fast at a job. At least a boss would pay me, this family really doesn't pay me anything but grief and heartache. I so don't deserve this, and my resentment is building to explosive levels.
Whew.
The potential for you to continue doing "the right thing" is there, but there are certainly many things working against it.
My personal suggestion: Tell your dad you want to remain right there where you are and honor (care for) him in his old age, but you cannot do that unless he first/now gets his house in order. So, and without giving him any kind of demanding ultimatum, let him know you cannot abandon your plan to move while your sister is still there ...
... and then let him make the call.
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I believe that under the best of circumstances adults shouldn’t live under the authority of adults in the family sense. I’d advise you to make sure that when you leave home you are far enough away from your family that you are outside of their sphere of influence.
That's a very nice thought, but the truth of the matter is that when I move out, I will initially still be here in Boise, and I have other family here besides my immediate family. It will not be for another year or so from the time I graduate that I will be in Seattle, about 500 miles away from the family.
The potential for you to continue doing "the right thing" is there, but there are certainly many things working against it.
My personal suggestion: Tell your dad you want to remain right there where you are and honor (care for) him in his old age, but you cannot do that unless he first/now gets his house in order. So, and without giving him any kind of demanding ultimatum, let him know you cannot abandon your plan to move while your sister is still there ...
... and then let him make the call.
I already discussed the issue of moving out with him on many an occasion, and he understands my sister is a major part of the reason I want to move out, but he says he can't kick her out because of her child.
leejosepho
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The potential for you to continue doing "the right thing" is there, but there are certainly many things working against it.
My personal suggestion: Tell your dad you want to remain right there where you are and honor (care for) him in his old age, but you cannot do that unless he first/now gets his house in order. So, and without giving him any kind of demanding ultimatum, let him know you cannot abandon your plan to move while your sister is still there ...
... and then let him make the call.
I already discussed the issue of moving out with him on many an occasion, and he understands my sister is a major part of the reason I want to move out, but he says he can't kick her out because of her child.
As a fellow-to-him grandfather, I understand. You might try telling/reminding him the child will still be in need even after he (your dad) has been driven to his grave by all the stress, but I really do understand.
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leejosepho
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I wish I knew him personally so I could try to be more helpful here, but I really only know about myself ... and that is this:
Things are as they are now, and there is nothing I can do to change them and so I just "live out my days" while hoping someone else might yet pick up the ball and maybe even play it out far better than I ever had.
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GCarty
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I feel like I'm in a similar fix -- whereas you have a sister who's a single mother, I have a sister who's quite severely autistic. Also my dad had a brain haemorrhage in January which means I'm now the only driver in the house (not to mention that he has awful memory problems). Even before that, my mother was always angry with him as he hadn't worked for 20 years and is also lazy as far as the housework is concerned.
I'd like to leave home, but I haven't yet even mentioned it to my mother as I fear how she'd react! (I'm currently the only halfway-sane person she gets to talk to most days.) I also know she thinks I can't afford to live away from home -- I do have a full-time job, and while it's certainly not minimum wage it certainly isn't as much as I feel I deserve given my qualifications. Even my dad (who isn't as much of a worrier as my mother is) is concerned about where I mentioned moving to, because he would be able to get there very easily if I ran into trouble!
You can read more about my situation here.
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