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envirozentinel
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04 Feb 2016, 2:11 pm

Actually I meant to quote you on the use of force, but only now noticed that it didn't appear as a quote.

What I meant was that force has unfortunately been used for evil too many times to mention. Maybe there could be an exception but idealists don't have much power at this point in time.

Google "ubuntu" or "ubuntu party" if you want to see something interesting and tell me what you think.

They have some radical ideas but these ideas are not yet popular.


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04 Feb 2016, 2:51 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
What I meant was that force has unfortunately been used for evil too many times to mention.


Yes, but this does not preclude one from using force for good. The fact is that all power derives from violent force, and that violent force will be applied to install a power for good. It is inescapable.

That people use Gandhi to decry violence is a victory of the dominating system, who want us to remain docile and seek resolution through 'peaceful' means, but it is a lie. Capitalism is predicated on growth and externality. It is a foregone conclusion that growth cannot continue infinitely, and it is evident that externality is harm. To seek solutions to inequality and injustice within Capitalism is folly.



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04 Feb 2016, 2:58 pm

I agree whole heartedly that it's unfair that there are some billionaires who own more assets than a small country, while others work their ass off for a tiny flat and enough stuff to fill the fridge every month and support their family. So much money is wasted in this world by morons who have no idea what to do with it as they have so much.

There are many faults in the capitalist system.

People will say "well we worked hard for it and deserve this house with 16 bedrooms and 12 bathrooms with gold taps and an infinity pool" but others work just as hard and maybe through no fault of their own, e.g. medical bills, unemployment and the like, they stay poor and only help make the first one rich.


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21 Feb 2016, 12:48 pm

shakypremise wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
What I meant was that force has unfortunately been used for evil too many times to mention.


Yes, but this does not preclude one from using force for good. The fact is that all power derives from violent force, and that violent force will be applied to install a power for good. It is inescapable.

That people use Gandhi to decry violence is a victory of the dominating system, who want us to remain docile and seek resolution through 'peaceful' means, but it is a lie. Capitalism is predicated on growth and externality. It is a foregone conclusion that growth cannot continue infinitely, and it is evident that externality is harm. To seek solutions to inequality and injustice within Capitalism is folly.


Just a completely side-topic bit of trivia, but Gandi demonstrated that he was okay with letting thousands of women get raped if it didn't interfere with his larger strategic goal.


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