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17 Oct 2016, 7:13 pm

Hi AspergianMutant and Smudge,

You are so wrong, so very wrong. We are both very open and honest my son and I and this is why we get so hurt all the time. It is just my son and I living together, I already told you our family were wrongly split apart. My sons sister, my daughter lives so far away from us, it's impossible to commute to her. My children's father is now dead. We are alone and I find there is very little understanding and support for the adult autistic person in the UK and now it appears very little anywhere else either.

My son is so upset with the remarks made that we are the same person, I can see it's impossible to write on any autistic forums and really gets any understanding at all.



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17 Oct 2016, 7:24 pm

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17 Oct 2016, 8:05 pm

going to. Autism forum and not expecting to get your feelings hurt is unrealistic. You should keep in mind that ninety nine point nine percent of the time they don't mean to. a lot of people leave WP either to sensitive or are the opposite.


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17 Oct 2016, 9:01 pm

I say this with as much kindness as I can: you both need therapy. And if you're already in therapy, maybe you need more therapy.

I have read nothing in this thread that would be taken as offensive or belittling. I'm sorry if you perceive people's words that way, but you can't expect anyone--autism forum or not--to cater to such delicate sensibilities. This is a really unusual thread, and I don't see how it is offensive for someone to wonder aloud if both of you are the same person.

Have you considered trying some other sort of support forum that's not autism-centered? You might be able to find people who are more cautious in their wording elsewhere. Maybe a PTSD support forum?


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17 Oct 2016, 9:40 pm

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I put my heart and soul out there, and I am constantly abused. To say that I am my mother, you have no idea how hurtful your words are, :(. I have put so much effort into writing online, and to face that type of abuse is abhorrent. I feel ashamed to think that there are those on the spectrum that enjoy to see another suffer because of their trauma and accusing them as if they don’t exist.

You nearly gave me a heart attack with that response. That was so hurtful, :(. My heart is beating nine to the dozen.

I’ve had enough of that from my school life, I don’t need that type of abuse now in my present circumstances, especially from the autistic community. This is exactly why I find it so difficult to write on the internet, to face abuse like this is sickening. I don’t understand how an autistic person can say such abusive comments to another. It’s absolutely beyond me.

I’m already feeling uneasy about writing on here, particularly facing abuse like that. I have PTSD, do you honestly think I need to hear comments like those ?!? I feel so, so angry right now. I feel like my soul is reaching out of my body and rising above my head, :(.

It is only my mother and I, she already told you our family was unlawfully and wrongly split apart. My mother is the only one that I can turn to in my family and trust. I live with my mother not my father, and soon after he found out I was on the spectrum, he didn’t come to see me anymore. I tried to send him a letter and a Christmas card I had made from my photographs, but he had moved without telling me his new address. He died a year or two later, and we only found out from one the relatives, and they told us he never received my letter or card. My sister ran away when I was 7 years old, not from my mother, but my father.

I apologize for my esteemed colleges comments but our forum has been raveged with scammers, spammers, marionette puppet accounts, and many others. I am sure that you as much as anyone can understand my forum colleges extreme skepticism considering their past experiences.

For your own good though just steer clear of the Politics Philosophy and Religon sub forum.

All the best to our newest member!

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17 Oct 2016, 11:31 pm

Ough! I hate that about this forum. What is it with people being obsessed here with burning out "fakes." I've been accused myself, multiple times! Its not sane.

It's just a weird mean thing to do to someone - to accuse them of not really being a person. I think that's why it can be so - I'm going to use that word - creepy. It IS creepy to be told that someone thinks you don't exist.

Honestly, I think most of these people are projecting their own insecurities. They wonder if the life they are leading is authentic. They fear that they are not the competent, valuable person they make themselves out to be.

That being said, it is true that if you are taking being called a fake so seriously, it really is time to take care of your own mental health.

Who the heck would pretend to be his own mother, anyways? Someone has been watching too much Alfred Hitchcock.



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17 Oct 2016, 11:43 pm

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I put my heart and soul out there, and I am constantly abused. To say that I am my mother, you have no idea how hurtful your words are, :(. I have put so much effort into writing online, and to face that type of abuse is abhorrent. I feel ashamed to think that there are those on the spectrum that enjoy to see another suffer because of their trauma and accusing them as if they don’t exist.

You nearly gave me a heart attack with that response. That was so hurtful, :(. My heart is beating nine to the dozen.

I’ve had enough of that from my school life, I don’t need that type of abuse now in my present circumstances, especially from the autistic community. This is exactly why I find it so difficult to write on the internet, to face abuse like this is sickening. I don’t understand how an autistic person can say such abusive comments to another. It’s absolutely beyond me.


We have had problems with sockpuppets and trolls lately so don't take that comment personally. :)


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17 Oct 2016, 11:49 pm

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Thank you for responding to my mother, :).

green0star, when it comes to anime. What anime do you like to watch, :)? What are your other interests? I can understand what you mean, but I can’t help the interests I have. Despite my age, of 25, I find it too difficult to attempt to like something I don’t just to fit in with my age group, :(. Besides, I don’t feel anime is childish, it can be quite interesting when consider certain anime like Mushishi since it’s artistic and old oriental folklore based, and Naruto since the characters grow with you, and develop as they grow older. In the beginning, I could relate to how alienated Naruto felt in the early episodes, as I felt the same when I was at school, apart from the jokey side.

Pieplup, I want to send my deviantART address, but it says as a new user I can't add the link, :(. I will try to include my deviantART address in a following post, but if that doesn't work, my mother will post it afterwards. Sorry about this, :(. It’s not that I don’t wish to write to males, it’s just I find it very difficult to get to know females, that’s all, :). What are your interests?

To everyone, I’m writing since I was worried I would be misunderstood when my mother started this thread, :(.

It’s getting harder going over the same instances, the same pains, reliving my emotional pain every time I try to explain and express, but I have to if I’m ever going to find a way through it, :(.

I’ve written on ASD forums in the UK, and I started my own, but no one came to my forum, and I found no answers on the UK forum either. I began writing to people on an ASD UK forum, but I was noticing how the conversations started to become abusive, particularly in private messages. In one instance, I was called a ‘child’. He didn’t understand the traumas I went through and the way they affected me. He told me that he liked my messages on the forum, but thought I was being childish in my messages to him in private messages.

I’ve tried writing on forums, Facebook, Twitter, pen pal websites and magazines, I’ve even written on dating websites (not that I wish to go dating, I need time to get to know someone writing before I could even cope with meeting).

For moment, I’m going to focusing on the emotional bulling that happened to me since it cut me so deeply. It was just one of the chain of events that happened to me.

The reason why I asked my mother to write on the forum is because of several reasons. One of those reasons is due to my PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. It leaves me with triggers, painful triggers that remind me of the emotional pain I’ve experienced when I was younger. You see, I was bullied badly during my education years. When I was 10 years old in primary school, completely alone and alienated, someone took advantage of me, a bully of mine asked me to tell them who I liked in the class, he told the person, and I was called a ‘creep’. It hurt me so badly, like I was hit with a sledgehammer, like my heart was just pulled out of my chest and spat on. I felt dead inside, like a piece of myself died at that moment, and there was no one in my peer group I could turn to. I was too embarrassed to tell my mother. Needless to say, this really tore me apart inside. I was left with an empty shell. It doesn’t end there either. It goes on into secondary school.

In secondary school, I came across an unexpected event. Three females came up to me, and one of them told me one of them liked me. I looked at the female they were talking about and she was shyly smiling at me. It was like a twist on what happened to me before. I didn’t know if they were genuine or not, and I was too worried about trusting them, I was hurt before, I felt I couldn’t take the chance.

Following my breakdown at school, when I was 14, I was diagnosed with ASD, but by that time I was hurt so badly, I couldn’t trust what school *cough* prison, did to me. Following the shear bullying I was receiving from students which escalated to the teachers as I was interrogated over two classes due to a broken paving stone. Anyway, after that breakdown, a long story goes on to how my mother fought for me to have a Statement of Special Educational Needs. I was eventually taught at home by two home and hospital tutors, but not in the conventional sense. I needed to protect myself from those that betrayed me, and I was taught from behind my bedroom door, for five and a half years. This helped me greatly, I was able to sit and pass my exams at home, and I achieved a distinction in photography and a merit in web designing, this was until my Statement of Special Educational Needs ended when I turned 19. I was left with nothing, and everyone walked away.

Through all this time, I had this emotional pain bottled up inside. I was embarrassed and ashamed at being called a ‘creep’. When those three females came up to me in secondary school, I couldn’t believe it was real. I thought it was all a dream, that was until I came across her two more times since then.

The first time I met this female from secondary school, she was working as a bank clerk. I was there with my mother who had no idea of what happened back then. I couldn’t recognise this female for a while, until I noticed she was smiling me with the same shy smile I remembered from the ‘dream’ I thought I had. There she was, right in front of me, and I didn’t know what to say. I was stunned. She told us her name, but it just glossed over my mind. I was just too shocked to see her. I waved goodbye to her. My mother and I came back out of the building society. My mother then noticed that the bank clerk made a mistake with the money, the same female that may have liked me. I was immediately struck by this and thought, “Oh God, don’t tell me, did she really like me?!?”. I felt my world crashing down around me, I new I didn’t have the strength to talk to her, and certainly not in a stressful and anxiety ridden building society. When my mother went back to sort out the problem, I was too nervous to look at the female that liked me. It didn’t end there either. I saw her again at my local arts centre some time after that. I was sitting with my back to her, eating a meal outside a café/pub built into the arts centre. I was sitting with my mother and some of my other relatives. As I was sitting with my back to her, I didn’t notice her, that was until my relatives opposite me saw her waving in my direction. I turned around, saw her, smiling at me and waving. I just smiled and waved back to her. She was surrounded by a lot of people herself, and I was too anxious to go up to her. I had to walk away, I couldn’t cope with it, even though every fibre of my being wanted to go up to her! It cut me so deeply, the emotional pain began building up inside.

The fire inside of me was growing and growing, the pain I was feeling grew stronger. I was left with a gaping hole inside. Every day, every week, every year, that emptiness has been growing and growing. I was left in complete despair.

My mother suggested writing to someone on Facebook I spoke incredibly briefly to at school, before my breakdown and before I was diagnosed. I felt she was the only person in primary school I could actually talk to, even if it was only just one or two words. She agreed to write to me on Facebook. All was going well for a time, except for the fact that she was writing on a mobile phone and I was writing on my computer. My longer messages were harder for my Facebook friend to respond to. I could see that, but I couldn’t help it. I felt the more interested I was in writing, the more I would say. Anyway, we were in communication over Facebook private messages, she was responding with barely two paragraphs to a mountain of writing, :(. Everything was going well, that was until I faced a message across Facebook. My friend and a bully connected to emotional bullying I went through, went on a trip with herself, my bully and her brother.

At the witness of that message, it was stored away in my mind, as a puzzle piece, an analytical puzzle piece. The flame inside started to grow stronger. I immediately experienced a meltdown, a meltdown of the realisation of how cruel the twist of fate can be, that there was always something standing between my attempts of socialising.

I put the idea to the back of my mind, and began writing on a ASD UK forum to seek advice, but I was still bottling my pain inside as it was so difficult to open up about it at the time. I was trying to write my difficulties expressing how my mind and heart are on a constant battleground, neither having superiority over the other. My mind wanted to face the truth, but my heart felt if it knew, it would be hurt very badly. They were in constant conflict, and I was stuck in the middle. In the end, the responses I received didn’t help me, and I was back to square one. I was trying to explain to my Facebook friend what happened to me at school and the bullying I received. I wanted to try to make my way through to express how badly they hurt me. With the help of my mother’s I met my friend on Facebook three times, it was very difficult, but I really wanted to build our friendship and grow it stronger. Then around Christmas, I noticed a change in her writing to me. She got an iPad for Christmas and began to open up to me through it, like the ‘mask’ she was wearing at the time was cracking and she was showing her true self. It felt invigorating, it felt like I was finally starting to make some progress trying to socialise. That’s when I discovered something very cruel on Facebook. My bully cooked my friend a meal, and she was praising him. Through my analysing, my mind took that puzzle piece, that piece of information inside, and it began to analyse, scrutinise. Before I could speak, the puzzle piece, along with the previous about the holiday, began to tell a story. No matter how I put the two together, I came across a very hurtful conclusion. That’s when the flame inside me was at hellfire level, and I felt like I could burst. I couldn’t hold back anymore, I felt I had to tell her about the pain I went through. It was so intense, expressing my emotional pain, and I made spelling mistakes. Of course, it didn’t go down well, but she didn’t write to me. Instead she wrote to my mother. She was saying how I was taking the bullying too seriously due to my autism. I was stunned when I read those words, I thought, hang on a minute. She was telling me how she didn’t judge others on their disabilities, and then she accuses my autism. What a hypocrite! I felt she was lying to herself, and I couldn’t cope with it anymore. I did try to send her an e-card on her birthday explaining my actions, but she never responded.

I experienced another meltdown, however; this time it was far more intense. This time, it was far stronger. It was like my heart was being ripped from my chest, and run over by a stampede of elephants. It cut me in two, and the emptiness I felt inside grew bigger. I, not only lost a friend, I lost a good friend. It hurt me so badly.

I know I need to find a way through this pain, and I know that finding someone genuine, understanding, open-minded and caring, is going a long way to healing this pain and growing stronger for it. To find a way to grow past my pain and make far better, lighter, happier memories to replace all the pain I’ve been through. I just want to find a way past all this pain, and I know by healing the heart I’ll be able to find true recovery. I really want to get to know someone better as I know that it’s the only solution that will truly work.

I’ve had experiences when I thought I was so close to finding a solution and then it’s taken away, like someone’s playing a trick on me. Showing me the solution, but having it snapped out of my grasp before I’ve had the chance.

I’ve written pen pal adverts, I’ve written on forums, I’ve written on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, WordPress, I’ve even written on dating websites (I didn’t like them as I didn’t want to simply go on a date, I wanted to get to know someone across the internet, writing to them before I even comprehended such actions as meeting). I tried all of them, and even though people started writing to me, the cruel twist of fate kicks in and I’m left with nothing. I’ve faced people who couldn’t cope with the volume of my writing since they were in college and they couldn’t process all my writing. I find it very difficult to condense my writing particularly if it involves something I find interesting or meaningful. I’ve written to people from abroad, and though that was interesting and insightful, it didn’t help my emotional pain. I could not meet them, not with the shear amount of difficulties my ASD, SPD, OCD and PTSD cause me. I’ve written to people that, without their knowledge have caused triggers that take me back to the realisation of the difficulties I have and how many paths are cut off from me, like locked doors, and try as I might, I can never find the right keys to unlock those doors. You see, I need my spirit to be boosted, and I’ve already witnessed the hope that can come from almost reaching my goal, but having it pulled away. I just wish that when I get there it’s permanent and not taken away from me. It gave me real strength when I was almost there, so it gave me a taster of what true salvation would bring me. If I can breakthrough to find emotional strength and stability, I just know I will be a different person. I know I would be inspired which would help me immensely.

I find it too difficult to go to clubs or groups as my anxiety is so powerful I wouldn’t feel comfortable to open up and talk like I can on the internet, as I am now. When it comes to interests. Well, my interests have become my coping mechanism. You see, my interests have been ways to try to shut out the pain circling my mind. My mind analyses the first chance that it gets, so I spend most of my time, drowning my mind with Japanese music, playing video games, watching anime, taking nature photographs, watching the birds in the garden, and gardening, all in attempts to placate my mind. I am writing this with the help of my Japanese music as it’s the only way I can focus my mind on writing without breaking down.

I’ve expressed all of this so many times, it really cuts me deeply. I find it so difficult to keep myself going. I just need to find the solution, and I know it exists, but it’s reaching that goal that I find is nigh-on impossible considering my difficulties, and that I find a lot of people wear what I like to call ‘masks’. What I mean is that behind these ‘masks’ is the true person. I really wish I could work out what lies behind each ‘mask’ before I interact as it can take a long time to work out what a person is truly like. I have no idea if they’ll truly understand where I’m coming from and my difficulties and are really interested in writing to me.

I hope you can understand where I’m coming from, and thank you for reading my writing, :).

Best wishes
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You need to understand that the vast majority of people here have very similar stories to you. MOST of us were bullied in school. A fair number meet the criteria for PTSD (Although there some question as to wether these flashbacks are PTSD or an aspect of an autistic memory, but that's a different topic.)

So this thing you saying, where we clearly don't understand you, and should treat you tenderly because your case is so much harder than ours - It feels like we are being manipulated and our pain ignored. So it makes sense that some people are going to strike out when that happens.

You're not different than anyone else around here. You don't have some kind of extra-autism. Your traits aren't all that extraordinary in a forum full of people like us. I can imagine that's really intimidating to someone who is used to using his special status as autistic to keep himself safe. But I would respectfully suggest that this safety mechanism is faulty. If you use your disability status to try to make other people be good to you, you keep yourself in a cage. You attach yourself to the pain. It's no good for you.

A good part of your solution is to let it the F go. Let yourself be a typical autistic, because you are. Honestly, I think it would be really good for you to stay here and read more. Start to analyze how people are exactly the same as you.

On the other hand, it is not good form, or good for you, to put your heart right out there. Its not socially appropriate, even in autistic circles where we have a much wider range of accepted behaviors. You are expected to keep yourself safe, not just open everything up and then cry when people step on your feelings. So maybe hold back on the posting a little. You really shouldn't be sharing as much as you did. Your mother certainly WAY over shared, so I can see that this is a family trait. But the rest of the world does not respond well to that. You get the kind of aggressive behavior you see in this thread.

But what you aren't understanding is that you were aggressive first. You metaphorically threw the first punch by implying that we are not really as affected as you. You were the first to tell us that OUR experiences don't count and that we can't understand. These are judgmental statements. Its normal for people to react badly.



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17 Oct 2016, 11:54 pm

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I put my heart and soul out there, and I am constantly abused. To say that I am my mother, you have no idea how hurtful your words are, :(. I have put so much effort into writing online, and to face that type of abuse is abhorrent. I feel ashamed to think that there are those on the spectrum that enjoy to see another suffer because of their trauma and accusing them as if they don’t exist.

You nearly gave me a heart attack with that response. That was so hurtful, :(. My heart is beating nine to the dozen.

I’ve had enough of that from my school life, I don’t need that type of abuse now in my present circumstances, especially from the autistic community. This is exactly why I find it so difficult to write on the internet, to face abuse like this is sickening. I don’t understand how an autistic person can say such abusive comments to another. It’s absolutely beyond me.


We have had problems with sockpuppets and trolls lately so don't take that comment personally. :)


We don't have a problem with sock puppets. We have a problem with people accusing others of being sock puppets. I've been here for months now and I've seen tons of accusations and not one person actually sock puppeting. It's like the Jersey Devil or Bigfoot. Everyone claims they are everywhere and they've seen one, but nobody has an actual confirmation.



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18 Oct 2016, 1:23 am

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Hi ASPartOfMe

Thank you for your input, I am located in United Kingdom. I'm not very good at writing on forums, don't know the techniques very well which is why it is taken me a while to get back to everyone. I am NOT Indian or Indian descent, and I don't know why this has caused such a problem because of what I have written?

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18 Oct 2016, 1:52 am

As usual, somanyspoons has a ton of really useful practical advice.

The nice thing about this forum is that there is space for everybody, if you just manage to stick it out. Sometimes people get suspicious about each other. Years of bullying will do that to a person. If you manage to hang in there and just be yourself, and be nice, your experience will become more pleasant.

There is acceptance for wordy aspies and blunt aspies and people who manage to combine both traits, never mind the people with much more severe autism who still manage to communicate by using a computer.

When I started writing on the forum, I used to create walls of text because I had so much to talk about that I'd been keeping inside for so long. Over time, I've started to write shorter posts partly because a lot of members have a hard time processing a lot of text, and partly because communicating with people who understand has had a healing effect.

I agree with the others about oversharing - that's a really bad habit that will consistently cause you trouble. You can ask a Forum Moderator to remove those bits of text that contain a lot of personal information if you feel like it.

I rather appreciate the bluntness on this forum. Another word for blunt is honest. There are a lot of people here who are both friendly and reliable. Sometimes people clash, but I believe that in most cases the conflicts come from a place of hurt.

Consider that people have spent a lot of time and energy on replying to your posts. Most people are not so generous with their time.


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18 Oct 2016, 2:06 am

Also, I wanted to say, a person who has been so isolated for so long will have missed out on a lot of social learning, which is why you're going to have to very systematically teach yourself social skills, for example by reading posts on this forum and analyzing why people clash.


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18 Oct 2016, 2:08 am

As one of the moderators on Wrong Planet, welcome to you both. I am sorry that you have been disturbed by some of the comments made in replies, and there is no reason I can see not to regard your posts and thread as genuine and sincere. Most people were supportive which is good to see.

We have a protected forum on Wrong Planet called The Haven, and this thread will be relocated there. Members know that it has special rules which make it a supportive place where members may not indulge themselves in accusation, confrontation, suspicious hostility, argumentiveness, negative labelling of others and so on. Wrong Planet is primarily a support forum, and I hope from now on, that is how you will both experience it.

If however there is further unpleasantness, please refer it directly to the moderation team for review; you can do this with the report button beneath any such post.

Welcome to Wrong Planet. I hope that you will find something of great value here.
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18 Oct 2016, 2:18 am

It's too late to edit my original comment, but perhaps I was too harsh. I'm not a very diplomatic person, and I don't think that it helps people to always coddle them and protect them from the truth and that comes across in the way I communicate. Other people expressed concerns about the OP and subsequent posts more diplomatically and eloquently than I did.

I will say though that I do believe both OP and her son should consider therapy to address anxiety and codependence issues (anxiety is very commonly comorbid with autism.) There is such a thing as creating a bubble around your child that you think is helpful but ends up holding them back. Tough love and confronting reality honestly have their place in the raising of a child, along with caring and nurturing and protecting them from harm.


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18 Oct 2016, 2:21 am

Thank you Wilburforce. I will edit your post for you.



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18 Oct 2016, 2:45 am

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ToshiroHitsugaya wrote:
Hi

I put my heart and soul out there, and I am constantly abused. To say that I am my mother, you have no idea how hurtful your words are, :(. I have put so much effort into writing online, and to face that type of abuse is abhorrent. I feel ashamed to think that there are those on the spectrum that enjoy to see another suffer because of their trauma and accusing them as if they don’t exist.

You nearly gave me a heart attack with that response. That was so hurtful, :(. My heart is beating nine to the dozen.

I’ve had enough of that from my school life, I don’t need that type of abuse now in my present circumstances, especially from the autistic community. This is exactly why I find it so difficult to write on the internet, to face abuse like this is sickening. I don’t understand how an autistic person can say such abusive comments to another. It’s absolutely beyond me.


We have had problems with sockpuppets and trolls lately so don't take that comment personally. :)


We don't have a problem with sock puppets. We have a problem with people accusing others of being sock puppets. I've been here for months now and I've seen tons of accusations and not one person actually sock puppeting. It's like the Jersey Devil or Bigfoot. Everyone claims they are everywhere and they've seen one, but nobody has an actual confirmation.



You have never seen any mods here say a (insert username here) was a sockpuppet of a banned account?

They can see IPs so they would know.


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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.