Cynical lack of compassion

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24 May 2018, 10:44 pm

Damn, this Ferris guy is good!! !



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25 May 2018, 8:38 am

^ a perfect example of sarcasm.



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25 May 2018, 8:49 am

^^^I actually think you two can work together to produce consummate memes.



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25 May 2018, 9:17 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
^^^I actually think you two can work together to produce consummate memes.


EzraS was actually congratulating you on your sarcasm dude :lol:


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25 May 2018, 9:20 am

I was being serious 8)



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25 May 2018, 9:25 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was being serious 8)


If me & EzraS teamed up we'd break things :twisted:


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25 May 2018, 9:30 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I was being serious 8)


I was being sarcastic.

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kraftiekortie wrote:
I was being serious 8)


If me & EzraS teamed up we'd break things :twisted:


They separated us to different continents for a reason.



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25 May 2018, 10:02 am

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27 May 2018, 3:08 am

I apologize to Ezra for being rude. It doesn't matter. I'll be gone soon enough. The post hit a nerve because I've dealt with people who talk like that to me, being sarcastic when I'm already defeated. They seem to revel in hurting others and causing pain. None of it matters though, so be it...



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27 May 2018, 6:36 am

Wabuu wrote:
I apologize to Ezra for being rude. It doesn't matter. I'll be gone soon enough. The post hit a nerve because I've dealt with people who talk like that to me, being sarcastic when I'm already defeated. They seem to revel in hurting others and causing pain. None of it matters though, so be it...

It’s more like people making nasty judgements based on their own experience while having absolutely no clue what it is to exist in someone else’s shoes. It’s fine to not “feel” sympathy, but please keep your sh***y justifications to yourself. It’s not always about you being a hero and patting yourself on the back for sharing your wonderful wisdom, then getting testy when the Haven doesn’t just disappear tomorrow because everyone’s problems are solved thanks to your godly wisdom.



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27 May 2018, 6:55 am

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Resisting the temptation to say something that might be unhelpful or hurtful is a kind of compassion too.

Depression has led me to the Pit of Eternal Whining many times in the past. Neither hurtful, sarcastic comments nor cheesy platitudes ever helped me to climb out; in fact, they very often just confirmed my worst fears and helped to keep me there. There were a lot of folks who I wished would just have kept their opinions to themselves. If someone is in a bad way, however self-inflicted it might seem, the least we can do is to not do anything which might make it worse.

I think that each of us has a limited supply of compassion, so we all have our own different feelings about who deserves it - and some people drain it faster than others. I skip giving advice in certain people's threads because I remember how little I used to listen to advice and how ungrateful I used to be - I bear no grudges to the people who walked away from me because their good will was twisted to fit my story of being persecuted and yet more whining. It doesn't usually take me long to suss out which people are simply not going to listen, because I've been there and I know every trick in the book. If we only have so much compassion to go around, it is best saved for those people and situations where it might actually do some good. But starting a flame war isn't a very constructive use of my time, either.

So you're not a bad or evil person, Ezra; WP is a better place for having you here - you're just much wiser than I was in my youth!


This ^^^^

Love that Pit of Eternal Whining (not, but I love the name). That's a good one. Been there. :oops: Try to stay away from it. Mostly don't go there now, but used to be a familiar place. :oops: :oops: And like you said, Trog, there is nothing anyone could say to get me out. I've heard all the reasons to cheer up, including ones I'd like to hand out now and again, and I keep quiet because I would never have listened, never did listen and I suspect anyone in the Pit can't hear.


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27 May 2018, 7:07 am

blazingstar wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
Resisting the temptation to say something that might be unhelpful or hurtful is a kind of compassion too.

Depression has led me to the Pit of Eternal Whining many times in the past. Neither hurtful, sarcastic comments nor cheesy platitudes ever helped me to climb out; in fact, they very often just confirmed my worst fears and helped to keep me there. There were a lot of folks who I wished would just have kept their opinions to themselves. If someone is in a bad way, however self-inflicted it might seem, the least we can do is to not do anything which might make it worse.

I think that each of us has a limited supply of compassion, so we all have our own different feelings about who deserves it - and some people drain it faster than others. I skip giving advice in certain people's threads because I remember how little I used to listen to advice and how ungrateful I used to be - I bear no grudges to the people who walked away from me because their good will was twisted to fit my story of being persecuted and yet more whining. It doesn't usually take me long to suss out which people are simply not going to listen, because I've been there and I know every trick in the book. If we only have so much compassion to go around, it is best saved for those people and situations where it might actually do some good. But starting a flame war isn't a very constructive use of my time, either.

So you're not a bad or evil person, Ezra; WP is a better place for having you here - you're just much wiser than I was in my youth!


This ^^^^

Love that Pit of Eternal Whining (not, but I love the name). That's a good one. Been there. :oops: Try to stay away from it. Mostly don't go there now, but used to be a familiar place. :oops: :oops: And like you said, Trog, there is nothing anyone could say to get me out. I've heard all the reasons to cheer up, including ones I'd like to hand out now and again, and I keep quiet because I would never have listened, never did listen and I suspect anyone in the Pit can't hear.

Depression can make it so even the thought of winning the lottery brings no pleasure. The sense of reward that motivates us to keep going is simply gone, so it’s not merely a case of not listening to advice. Sometimes it’s not having the mental energy to act on advice, especially when it’s unlikely to provide any immediate relief.



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27 May 2018, 9:02 am

^ Yes, that is very true, too. Anhedonia causes the most profound kind of apathy, it saps your ability to even imagine that there are other states of mind that you could ever be in.


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27 May 2018, 7:40 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
^ Yes, that is very true, too. Anhedonia causes the most profound kind of apathy, it saps your ability to even imagine that there are other states of mind that you could ever be in.


This is exactly what I was trying to say. When I am down, I cannot imagine ever feeling good again. It is only the repetition (pattern) over so many, many years that keeps me "sane" when I am down. Cognitively, I know it will pass. But the reality I experience is that it never will pass and I will never experience anything but doom ever again. Cognitively I just hang in there and do the best I can and eventually it passes.

On the flip side, when I am content and happy and doing well, I can't imagine how I could EVER get down again, and I think, well, I've conquered that one! Hah! :D And cognitively I know I will. The mind is a curious thing.


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28 May 2018, 3:38 am

blazingstar wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
^ Yes, that is very true, too. Anhedonia causes the most profound kind of apathy, it saps your ability to even imagine that there are other states of mind that you could ever be in.


This is exactly what I was trying to say. When I am down, I cannot imagine ever feeling good again. It is only the repetition (pattern) over so many, many years that keeps me "sane" when I am down. Cognitively, I know it will pass. But the reality I experience is that it never will pass and I will never experience anything but doom ever again. Cognitively I just hang in there and do the best I can and eventually it passes.

On the flip side, when I am content and happy and doing well, I can't imagine how I could EVER get down again, and I think, well, I've conquered that one! Hah! :D And cognitively I know I will. The mind is a curious thing.


The mind is most certainly a curious thing.

It would be nice to see examples of what has helped people with depression - perhaps on another thread?

I know time is a big factor in healing but I hear so many stories of people being depressed it may be helpful to have some ideas of what has helped others.

For example, what I think caused my latest bout of depression was burnout - what I think helped me get to the other side was rest, relaxation, self-compassion and routine. Also tackling tasks one at a time in a methodic fashion. Breaking things down into smaller task so I could feel like I accomplished something for myself. Taking back control slowly and gently. And most importantly realising there is hope again.

Shall we start another thread on this?



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28 May 2018, 3:59 am

People change over their lifetime, a lot. Also, some have mood swings.

A lot of times, a bit of tolerance and understanding can be of great help to people. Sometimes, a bit of a kick in the behind is more appropriate. I'd say the first situation is more common than the second.

There's not much point in creating a conflict out of a state that might pass on its own.


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