"You need to listen to the struggles of others!"

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26 May 2018, 12:28 pm

This is something my detractors tell me and it is in a damning way, not a supportive way. According to them, my struggles mean nothing and I should just pretend they don't exist. But the people who falsely accuse me of being a Donald Trump Jr. and want to wreck my face suddenly matter more despite how they are behaving no differently than the people they claim to despise.



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26 May 2018, 3:44 pm

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This is something my detractors tell me and it is in a damning way, not a supportive way. According to them, my struggles mean nothing and I should just pretend they don't exist. But the people who falsely accuse me of being a Donald Trump Jr. and want to wreck my face suddenly matter more despite how they are behaving no differently than the people they claim to despise.


Where are these "detractors"? Are they at your work or in your home? I ask because there's certainly no one that fits that description on these forums, as no one has posted anything remotely like you're describing. If you're talking about online people, are you talking about on a different forum? Or are people PM'ing you things? IF you're talking about posts on this forum, then it is your distorted perception of what people are posting here, not that anyone is actually posting any of the words you just claimed they are. Unless I've somehow missed them.. but I doubt it - I've read many threads of support & encouragement posted your way, and participated in them myself, and have noticed that you ignore any advice that might benefit you & respond almost exclusively only to sympathy vs. interact with anyone who suggests that you do something that would benefit yourself, your health, or move you towards your goals in life.

In the ~approx words of alex: You have no detractors here, only people taking time out of their day to try to help you.


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26 May 2018, 7:27 pm

Do you mean detractors in the real world?



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26 May 2018, 8:00 pm

You do need to listen to the struggles of others. It took me a long time to learn that.

You should help people. And other people should help you.



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26 May 2018, 8:28 pm

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Do you mean detractors in the real world?


Both in the real world and in this place. In the real world, I have people express contempt towards me because both my parents are doctors. I've had co-workers and ghetto thugs call me a 'rich kid' and other snide remarks despite how I don't get any substantial amounts of money from my parents. They shelled out thousands for my older brother; even when he was in high school, he had cars and his own personal landline but my parents refused to give me the same things. Even as an adult, they paid for him to go to an university, law school, and his own house.

In this place, some posters have told me I need to 'know my place in the land of discrimination', give up my supposed privileges and watch cuckhold porn as well as let the ghetto thugs who bullied me get the girls instead of me or else I am just continuing to oppress people whom I don't even know, and tell me I just want "margaritas". :roll:

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You do need to listen to the struggles of others. It took me a long time to learn that.

You should help people. And other people should help you.


I don't disagree with that. I am just talking about those who think that somehow I am the oppressor despite how I am a metal head, comic book and manga/anime fan in the Bible Belt.



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26 May 2018, 8:47 pm

I just just searched for ' know my place in the land of discrimination' and it only appears once on this forum and it was said by you , are you sure you're not misinterpreting what's been said to you , it easy to do if you are in a dark place


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26 May 2018, 9:53 pm

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I just just searched for ' know my place in the land of discrimination' and it only appears once on this forum and it was said by you , are you sure you're not misinterpreting what's been said to you , it easy to do if you are in a dark place


Look up 'know your (instead of my) place in the land of discrimination'. You will see that someone did indeed say it to me. I can dig up the post if you want.



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26 May 2018, 10:13 pm

You have some pretty distorted thoughts, and often take a remark in a different way than it was intended. Your repeated reference to your "detractors" has a paranoid flavor.

This isn't run of the mill depression and it isn't autism. Something else is going on.

I know you don't want to hear from me, you have told me off both in a forum thread and a PM. But I'm not a "detractor." I think you are having a hard time and need help.


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26 May 2018, 10:19 pm

Marknis wrote:
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I just just searched for ' know my place in the land of discrimination' and it only appears once on this forum and it was said by you , are you sure you're not misinterpreting what's been said to you , it easy to do if you are in a dark place


Look up 'know your (instead of I) place in the land of discrimination'. You will see that someone did indeed say it to me. I can dig up the post if you want.
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Dude! It's coming up to the 1 year anniversary of when that comment was said. It was also a discussion about politics where it's only natural people will try and put you down if you disagree about political views. In my opinion you need to grow thicker skin if you want to debate politics here or stay out those threads , you appear to be too easily offended at comments you know not to be true. Depression can do this to you , imo if you can get on top of your depression , your outlook would be brighter. Don't ask me how you do this as if I knew I'd sell the secret and make millions.


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26 May 2018, 10:25 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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SaveFerris wrote:
I just just searched for ' know my place in the land of discrimination' and it only appears once on this forum and it was said by you , are you sure you're not misinterpreting what's been said to you , it easy to do if you are in a dark place


Look up 'know your (instead of I) place in the land of discrimination'. You will see that someone did indeed say it to me. I can dig up the post if you want.
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Dude! It's coming up to the 1 year anniversary of when that comment was said. It was also a discussion about politics where it's only natural people will try and put you down if you disagree about political views. In my opinion you need to grow thicker skin if you want to debate politics here or stay out those threads , you appear to be too easily offended at comments you know not to be true. Depression can do this to you , imo if you can get on top of your depression , your outlook would be brighter. Don't ask me how you do this as if I knew I'd sell the secret and make millions.


Except the one who said that to me was telling me I wasn't a true aspie for not being 'intersectional'. Debating politics is one thing but denying someone of their humanity is another thing all together. That person also boasted to me about how much "p****" he gets and how much of a "stud monkey" he is.



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27 May 2018, 3:11 am

Marknis wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Marknis wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
I just just searched for ' know my place in the land of discrimination' and it only appears once on this forum and it was said by you , are you sure you're not misinterpreting what's been said to you , it easy to do if you are in a dark place


Look up 'know your (instead of I) place in the land of discrimination'. You will see that someone did indeed say it to me. I can dig up the post if you want.
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Dude! It's coming up to the 1 year anniversary of when that comment was said. It was also a discussion about politics where it's only natural people will try and put you down if you disagree about political views. In my opinion you need to grow thicker skin if you want to debate politics here or stay out those threads , you appear to be too easily offended at comments you know not to be true. Depression can do this to you , imo if you can get on top of your depression , your outlook would be brighter. Don't ask me how you do this as if I knew I'd sell the secret and make millions.


Except the one who said that to me was telling me I wasn't a true aspie for not being 'intersectional'. Debating politics is one thing but denying someone of their humanity is another thing all together. That person also boasted to me about how much "p****" he gets and how much of a "stud monkey" he is.


You won't get any compassion here or anywhere else. The world is out to get you. You either adapt, or die.



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27 May 2018, 3:16 am

Marknis wrote:
This is something my detractors tell me and it is in a damning way, not a supportive way. According to them, my struggles mean nothing and I should just pretend they don't exist. But the people who falsely accuse me of being a Donald Trump Jr. and want to wreck my face suddenly matter more despite how they are behaving no differently than the people they claim to despise.


You certainly are not a Donald Trump, that is for sure.

As for struggles, well it may be good to read of some other peoples struggles...I mean if you want some crazy stuff get some books on the resistance efforts in WW2, there are some pretty inspiring stories. I mean read about that sort of stuff and than think of your struggles...not to diminish your struggles but I mean look to history and people have had it much worse. But that is not the point, not that people had it worse....what I mean is read their stories and see how they survived like people can get through some really bad stuff and still make it.

And quit worrying about these 'detractors' or whatever I mean maybe you have more of them in your life...but if you are anything like me half of the 'detractors' are just in your head....trying to tell you you suck and that you can't do anything. Sure they may be based on real people and mean things they said....but you can't let them rule you. Just think to yourself 'their words have no power over me'. I mean tell them to shut the f*ck up....sometimes I have to do that when my mind is racing about that kind of stuff...I just have to say 'Stop' make an effort to get it out of my head. I am not always successful but, you can take some control and tell those stupid thoughts to shut up. I actually need to start doing that more again because I have been slipping some as of late.


Also maybe not for you, I understand....but for I've identified some with nordic paganism and well I find praying to Freya is actually more helpful than one would think, at least for me. But not trying to push pagan stuff. But she is a goddess of love, conflict and protection. I prayed for her protection to my dad because I did not hear from him for quite a while.....very next day after my what I thought was a futile prayer my aunt posted stuff about her and my dad working on staffs and walking sticks they want to sell. It let me know that my dad is alive and well...I asked her for a sign he was ok and well very next morning I got one. So IDK maybe a placebo effect, who knows either way I was having trouble sleeping when I made the prayer...then after a while I got good sleep and then heard from my aunt that my dad is alive and well. I guess if nothing else it might give comfort to try and talk to a being beyond our physical realm...I don't know if that is real all I know is putting my energy into praying to Freya brought a kind of result whether it was in my head or not it still helped.


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27 May 2018, 3:26 am

I get this a lot too. They are trying to make me some sort of bad guy when all I do is try to mind my own business. I don't even complain about my issues to anyone but somehow they make me look like I want attention then turn around and attack. Extremely manipulative to the max. I believe that we are, as people with ASD, on the extremely GOOD side of the moral spectrum, and neurotypicals or anyone with MORE social capability (Sociopaths) are naturally leaning towards the BAD side.



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I get this a lot too. They are trying to make me some sort of bad guy when all I do is try to mind my own business. I don't even complain about my issues to anyone but somehow they make me look like I want attention then turn around and attack. Extremely manipulative to the max. I believe that we are, as people with ASD, on the extremely GOOD side of the moral spectrum, and neurotypicals or anyone with MORE social capability (Sociopaths) are naturally leaning towards the BAD side.



IDK in my last years of highschool...I got picked on some, but a lot of it was just feeling ignored as a person. Like even after a shooting incident where I cared very much about the girl who got killed, most kind of treated me like I didn't exist or at least like I couldn't be someone who cared deeply about the incident.

So for a time I tried to be a person who would not care, I very much regretfully tried to be a neo-nazi. Like I thought if I got like that I wouldn't feel the pain....well in reality that made it worse because I was being horrible and I knew it. I mean I did not make it public so I doubt anyone I went to school with at that time knew that but it was in my head...and the cause was well its like that girl got killed and then I got treated like a ghost to. So I didn't know how to deal with that I guess.


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27 May 2018, 6:48 am

Thats probably why a lot of people become neo-Nazis. Feeling alienated.



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30 May 2018, 1:05 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Marknis wrote:
This is something my detractors tell me and it is in a damning way, not a supportive way. According to them, my struggles mean nothing and I should just pretend they don't exist. But the people who falsely accuse me of being a Donald Trump Jr. and want to wreck my face suddenly matter more despite how they are behaving no differently than the people they claim to despise.


You certainly are not a Donald Trump, that is for sure.

As for struggles, well it may be good to read of some other peoples struggles...I mean if you want some crazy stuff get some books on the resistance efforts in WW2, there are some pretty inspiring stories. I mean read about that sort of stuff and than think of your struggles...not to diminish your struggles but I mean look to history and people have had it much worse. But that is not the point, not that people had it worse....what I mean is read their stories and see how they survived like people can get through some really bad stuff and still make it.

And quit worrying about these 'detractors' or whatever I mean maybe you have more of them in your life...but if you are anything like me half of the 'detractors' are just in your head....trying to tell you you suck and that you can't do anything. Sure they may be based on real people and mean things they said....but you can't let them rule you. Just think to yourself 'their words have no power over me'. I mean tell them to shut the f*ck up....sometimes I have to do that when my mind is racing about that kind of stuff...I just have to say 'Stop' make an effort to get it out of my head. I am not always successful but, you can take some control and tell those stupid thoughts to shut up. I actually need to start doing that more again because I have been slipping some as of late.


Also maybe not for you, I understand....but for I've identified some with nordic paganism and well I find praying to Freya is actually more helpful than one would think, at least for me. But not trying to push pagan stuff. But she is a goddess of love, conflict and protection. I prayed for her protection to my dad because I did not hear from him for quite a while.....very next day after my what I thought was a futile prayer my aunt posted stuff about her and my dad working on staffs and walking sticks they want to sell. It let me know that my dad is alive and well...I asked her for a sign he was ok and well very next morning I got one. So IDK maybe a placebo effect, who knows either way I was having trouble sleeping when I made the prayer...then after a while I got good sleep and then heard from my aunt that my dad is alive and well. I guess if nothing else it might give comfort to try and talk to a being beyond our physical realm...I don't know if that is real all I know is putting my energy into praying to Freya brought a kind of result whether it was in my head or not it still helped.


Thank you. The people who think I am a Donald Trump Jr. would be screaming to get their lives back if they traded places with me for a day. If they think I am getting high-fives from rich people as well as them offering me their daughters and sisters for marriage, their paradigm would shatter.

My therapist felt like my biggest problem was extreme thinking. The worst it does for me is feel like everyone else is having fun and my invitation to the party got lost in the mail. I honestly thought you were happy all the time since you have a boyfriend but I've seen your other posts show me that isn't true. My therapist also told me I needed to tell myself that my thoughts aren't truly who I am and that I should be the watcher of my thoughts.

It's not so much that I can't accept paganism, it's more that I don't even know if I have a soul or if all consciousness is gone once I die so I need to figure that out. I tend to go back and forth from being an agnostic or an atheist because of my extreme thought patterns. The odd thing is that when I fear that I don't have a soul, I feel a surge of energy well up in myself. I certainly don't buy into the idea that once you die, you suddenly appear in Heaven and endlessly bow down and worship God forever which is what the Bible Belt taught me growing up. Even as a child, I found that idea abjectly boring. I also think the idea that simply being a member of the Jesus fan club, which is in reality what most Bible Belters are, gets you into Heaven even if you don't follow the tenants of Christianity is just too good to be true.

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Thats probably why a lot of people become neo-Nazis. Feeling alienated.


I fortunately didn't go that far but I've done some things I am not proud of. I used to be homophobic and part of that is due to Bible Belt societal brainwashing. I did shed it briefly from 2004-2005 but when I became truly depressed, I became homophobic again for a while because the societal brainwashing wasn't completely gone from my system. Fortunately, it's been purged and I became immune to it. While I did live in my own bubble growing up, I did follow the mainstream in some ways. I wouldn't go crazy about football, cars, or guns like my male peers but I did play violent FPS games instead of the games I've been playing since I was 19 (Street Fighter, Guilty Gear) and I watched South Park instead of anime. Comics also weren't "cool" and I only read novels if they were class assignments or if something was pushed in my direction. As far as music goes, certain bands and songs were okay but some were not. Again, societal brainwashing but I am glad I overcame it.