Aspies are NOT bad guy comic book villans

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Jleger91
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14 Jun 2022, 8:45 am

There are times when watching a movie and I'll say "that character looks a lot like me" and then the character proceeds destroy the whole world. A character like Voldemort from Harry Potter, Albert Wesker from Resident Evil, Agent Smith from The Matrix, The Joker from Batman - they feel as though they have been hurt too much and/or do not belong to the world, so they view the REST of the world as in the wrong/unfit of life/humanity is the culprit kind of world view, and a deep-rooted wish to "purify" the world by wiping humanity off the face of the map.

What is common is the not fitting in part, so it's easy to put yourself in the villain's shoes and empathize with that. It's like "Yes, I 200% understand what that is like for you". However, that is where the commonalities end. Aspies do not wish to wipe out all of humanity and become gods of a new world order - that is comic book villain stuff. What I can say as an Aspie is acceptance. I do not belong and I do not fit in, and that is okay. The world can be the way it is, and I can be weird and that is okay.



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14 Jun 2022, 8:55 am

I've never identified with a bad guy in a marvel movie. Well, I don't even watch those sorts of movies but I know what baddies are and I know I don't relate to those sorts of characters.

I relate to the hyperactive characters, like Tigger in Winnie the Pooh, but I also relate to anxious, nervous characters, like Butters or Tweek in South Park. I relate to Ned Flanders in the Simpsons, I'm not religious but I'm a serious people-pleaser like he is.
I relate to Karen in Outnumbered, and Roland in Grange Hill. And Greg in Diary of a Wimpy Kid.


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14 Jun 2022, 9:25 am

Aye, there are a lot of characters that are relatable.



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14 Jun 2022, 9:27 am

As a child, I related to villains' wingmen like Azrael in Smurfs or Toadie in Gummy Bears.
I'm not sure why... maybe because they were often yelled at for just being themselves.
But I didn't relate to the villains. I found myself only on the receiving end of mistreatment.

In romantic narratives that claim heart and mind to be enemies, people like me end up presented as villains for being rational and calculating instead of empathetic. I find it a false dichotomy, harmful for the culture.


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14 Jun 2022, 9:58 am

It would be absurd if we were primarily thought of as being comic book villains.

Just because we are misunderstood, etc, doesn’t mean we have to be villains.

But I understand the “identification” aspect.



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14 Jun 2022, 11:00 am

Jleger91 wrote:
Aspies are NOT bad guy comic book villans


Well that leaves me feeling so adrift and unanchored, what kind of villain am I then?
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Comic book villains are so colorful, I don't wanna get stuck being a boring, bland, beige, villain.


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14 Jun 2022, 11:14 am

I usually relate to characters who are usually grumpy, pessimistic, have a sarcastic sense of humor, and are just done with life such as Garfield, Oscar the Grouch, Grumpy Bear from care Bears, and Eeyore.

I relate more to Disney villains like Ursula and Maleficent than any comic book villain.



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14 Jun 2022, 11:45 am

I don't identify with anyone all that much, albeit I see things in fiction if they so happen to be similar to parts of my life or how I relate to the world, and note the coincidence, often the irony. "Good guys" that get beaten down but come out the other side of it all relatively "intact". :eye:

Which will show how I see the world and life. That glimmer of hope.



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14 Jun 2022, 12:21 pm

There was a period when the British character in an American movie turned out to be the villain every time. One example I can think of is the film where Sandra Bullock is a computer hacker. Around that time it was common :)

I guess that has little to do with the topic title.

The villains I noticed apart from that are like in iron man , the evil business man type.Burke in aliens.

I never noticed them being autistic.



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14 Jun 2022, 6:31 pm

I'm not sure what your motivation behind making this post is. You're stating an uncontroversial opinion.

Just because some aspies feel misunderstood and some villains feel misunderstood, it doesn't logically follow that misunderstood aspies must be villains.

The Joker has green hair. That doesn't mean that everybody who dyes their hair green must laugh maniacally and be Batman's arch-enemy.

If you're relating to a villain over something other than a willingness to participate in villainous activity, then the similarities you share aren't indicative of dormant villainous tendencies.



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20 Jun 2022, 7:02 pm

I related to the coyote in the Roadrunner and Coyote cartoons. I kept trying, and kept getting 'splats'.

It shows good writing to be able to human a villain and make their experiences relatable. Sometimes they will give the hero and the villain the same back story and show how our choices and how to we response to our (bad) experiences are what shape us. But the villains the poster relates to are the ones who were alienated by/from the world. They made for an interesting story because they struck out at the world. Do we instead co-exist with the world because we are more empathic?

A funny variation is the 'villain' from the movie Megamind. He does 'evil' because he wanted to excel and it was the one thing he was good at. :)

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21 Jun 2022, 7:57 am

I get the feeling.
I sometimes get a bit disturbed by how certain fictional characters resonate with me. Unlike certain other people, however, I don't go around glamourising characters like the Joker, Rorschach, Travis Bickle and the like because I clearly devide between good and bad.

But on the topic of the Joker, Batman himself appeals to people with the same feelings also, while being a hero (even if there are genuinely questionable aspects to the character that people have been pointing out more and more in recent times). A brooding loner with a habit of diving into his obsessions, going up against a throroughly corrupt city/world. Although with the additional (and admittedly somewhat juvenile) wish-fulfilment fantasy of being rich and handsome. Which might be why he's "too perfect" for a lot of people to identify with. Although I don't think a whole lot of people have clownish facial scars and the know-how to create lethal laughing gas either.

But anyway, it's fine to be interested in certain characters for traits that you find identifiable so long as you're not going to glorify their omnicidal schemes and recognise them as bad. Unfortunately there's people who don't get that but you'll always have those I guess.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:03 am

I don't really like the present-day Batman. He's something of a misanthrope (perhaps for a good reason).

The 1960s Batman went through the same things as the present-day Batman----but he never became a misanthrope.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:20 am

What is so wrong with being a villain?  It is the heroes who are lame.

• Villains act; Heroes react.

• Villains have work ethic; Heroes have moral obligation.

• Villains achieve; Heroes settle.

• Villains sacrifice others (and live); Heroes sacrifice themselves (and die).

• Villains enjoy freedom; Heroes submit to authority.

• Villains seek return on investment; Heroes throw their money away.



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21 Jun 2022, 8:22 am

^ Heroes have friends :mrgreen:


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21 Jun 2022, 8:24 am

magz wrote:
^ Heroes have friends :mrgreen:
• Villains have minions; Heroes have moochers.

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