Not sure how to trust my doc or any other medical person.

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A couple of years ago I developed dietbeties. Since then I really don't like what my doctor is saying or how I feel he is trying to control me. They know about my AS. They also know that because of my very strong anti drug view, I hate taking a needle every day. But they tell me I have to do it. I feel like a junkie when I take my needle. I only take my shot a couple of times a week. I never check my sugar count? Why should I my doc is just going to tell me I need to eat better and exercise more. I hate exercise, when I did it in school I was in pain after. So I will not put my body through that. My doc wants to keep me on drugs so I can pay money to the drug companies. Every time I go to the doc office all they do is look at the mumbers from my bloodwork and figure out what pill they want to put me on next. Without even asking how I feel about it. Plus they want me to totally change my diet and eat stuff that I don't like anyway and costs 3 times as much.

I know I will get the same reaction from any doctor I go to, they will preach to me and cram what they think is right down my throat.

How can I trust anyone in the medical field again?

They don't really know you. They don't care much what you like. They do want to keep you alive and physically healthy. Those things they are recommending are known to help regulate blood sugar levels and keep you healthier longer. So they are right about that. And those pills really do help, once you get the right kind in the right dose. Most of them have been around long enough to be available as generics, too.

What things are they telling you to eat that you don't like? Sometimes there are ways to make what you don't like seem more like what you do like.

What kind of exercise did you do before and not like? You know, just walking a lot counts as far as your blood sugar. Is there any physical activity like dancing that you like to do? Do you ride a bike? Sit-ups and squats and things like that sort of suck, but anything that gets you moving does count.

Check your sugar. Really. Did you know that when your sugar is out of whack you can get out of whack, too? Get irrational, out of control, maybe even--gasp--have a meltdown? If you can see when it goes up and down, you will see what is affecting it and how it affects you. If you can get control of it maybe you won't have to have the shots anymore. Are you type 1 or type 2?

I'm Type 2. I do alot of walking at work. I don't mind walking. I told doc that. But the doc still wants me to do more. It seems nothing I do is good enough to them. Back in college I had to take a class where we did weight training. I did as the teach said excatly. The next day I was so sore I could not move. Then next time I was in class I asked the teacher why I go so sore. She said it was my fault because I was not doing it right. I got very upset at her and told her I did as she instructed. She just shrug and said "well thats the way it is". That made me think "why would anyone want to put themselves through that if they are going to be in pain all the time?"/ People tell me that after you keep doing it and your body gets used to it and you no longer gets sore. But I don't think so pain was pretty real to me so I will NEVER put my body through that again.

They want me to eat veggies, wheat bread, lay off the TV dinners, ect.. But everything they want me to get costs 3x as much and I don't like it anyway.

They want me to change my whole life when what they need to do is cure me. They are the medical professials, they can figure it out.

One other thing happened with my old nurse practinenier. I told her how I felt about taking a needle everyday and how it makes me feel like a usless junkie. She laughed at me not caring for my feelings. I was seeing a conciler at the time. I told him what happened. He offered to talk to my NP so maybe she will understand more. I signed a fourm letting him. After he told me he talked with her, I thought it would go better. My next appointment with my NP, first thing she says to me is "Ken, I know you have some issues, but this is how its going to be, to bad." I walked out and demanded she was fired for mental and emotional abuse of a patient. But they did nothing to her.

And they wonder why I don't want to go and see them?

It's a horrible feeling, when you feel that you are not being taken seriously or respected. Do you have any way to switch to different health professionals? You might be able to do better. Part of the problem is that everybody complains about those things, but for most people it's not that big a deal the way it is for you. Maybe they are not realizing how major the problems are for you.

Some suggestions:

There is a kind of wheat bread that appears and tastes like white bread. I don't know if it's more expensive than what you're using now or not. Another way to get fiber which will help with your blood sugar would be some tasty flavored Metamucil, you mix it with water and it's not bad. Don't mix it with pop, though, it comes out really weird, LOL. I use a lot of TV dinners for my work lunch. But I don't eat those fatty fried Swanson kinds of things. I eat the healthy kind, mostly Smart Ones. (Because of the Nestle boycott I don't eat Lean Cuisine. Nestle is still promoting baby formula in third world areas where they can't afford it and the water is unsafe. Google it, if you want) I especially like the Chicken Enchilada Suiza and the Homestyle Potroast. That potroast has big chewable chunks of meat in it, it's really good. Naturally the lowest-carb ones, the ones you should be choosing, cost more than the others, but any of them would be better than what you're eating now. There's egg and cheese things, pasta with cheese, etc.

You could also look into some of those canned soups that are chunky like a meal. Those can be pretty cheap and a lot of them are pretty low-cal or low-fat which would probably be better for you. And all you have to do is stick them a bowl in the microwave.

My Aspie son who is an adult also has had issues with veggies all his life. We are looking into blendered veggies hidden in pasta sauce, and other hidden things. Haven't gotten around to it yet. One of these days.

Don't expect them to cure you. They don't have a cure. The best you can do is control it.If anybody ever does come up with a cure, they will end up Bill Gates rich.

Are you overweight? **WARNING: EASY TO SAY, HARD TO DO** Losing weight is supposed to help with that, especially with type 2.

My view on exercise: If it hurts, don't do it. You won't anyway, why waste time on thinking about it? Do more walking. But the more muscle you have, even walking muscle, the faster your metabolism runs and the more fuel you burn. That has to be good for keeping blood sugar down.

I strongly recommend finding a diabetes forum. I bet it will be informative to see what other people have to deal with and what they do about it.

By the way, it's very common to be sore after a weight training workout. Your instructor was wrong. If you're in actual pain, then that's a different story altogether, but soreness is normal.

White bread has ZERO nutritional value it will kill you on its own let alone the fact you have diabetes.

If you are not eating meat you must be eating plants or you are NOT eating food.

humans eat two kinds of food plants and meat.

Stop taking you're medicine and you know what will happen.

Diseases that can't be cured yet suck. but you live with them or let them kill you.

Take you're meds

and you should probably exercise.

The girl wasn't being a b***h she was being truthfull you feel like a drug addict YOU NEED YOU'RE DRUGS you're not addicted BIG difference between medicine and crack. You don't like needles? Ask for pills You don't like medicine you should probubly eat right.

You can't just do nothin and expect it to go away.

Please take this seriously you have a disease and must treat it.

Think of it this way if you're scared of knives and you needed surgery to save you're life would you let them cut you? or would you truely rather die?

cmon please take this seriouse

You MICROWAVE you're tv dinners?

Do you have any idea what eating like that does to you?

Also after you work out you tear you're muscles this is how you build more muscles when its torn it comes back stronger (little microscopic tears nothing dangerouse) and after a while you do get used to it.

you should eat right even if you don't have diabetes but ESPECIALLY if you do.

You don't like taking drugs EAT RIGHT and MAYBE just MAYBE you wont have to.

t.v. dinner

Frozen plants (freezing plants kills the nutriants)
Whitebread (has no nutriants)
Microwave (changes food on molecular level and actually gives you blood disease)

^thats what you're eating and its not food

hope you feel better about this I like her am not trying to be mean I am trying to help you

You are just like my NP, trying to preach to me without even taking into account my feelings. You are trying to judge me. How about I tell you how to run your life? I don't even know you but I will tell you what I feel is best for you and force you to totally change your life.

Would maybe an insulin pump work better than shots?

Uhh, that's the medical people's job, to tell you what's good for you healthwise and what isn't. If you don't want them to treat you like a child, stop acting like one! If you don't like it, don't go to them. If you don't like their advice, don't listen to it. But you have to act like an adult about these kinds of things: if you insist on doing things your way, then you have to deal with the consequences of your own actions.

It's YOU who refused to change your diet and exercise routine, YOU didn't take care of your health and YOU developed type 2 diabetes as a result. Now you want others to pick up the slack for you, to "cure" you when no such cure exists?? You messed up when it came to your health. Now you want help... but you're making demands on how that help is to be given to you. You are in no position to be making demands of the people who are trying to help you.

Beggars aren't choosers. It's time to stop making excuses, recognize your own failings, learn from them, and move on.

It was not my diet or lack of exercise that caused me to get diabetes. For years my docs told me I was borderline. But I never got it. After I had some elective surgery done, that tramaitized my body enought to finally push me over the edge and come down with it. I found this out with a good friends wife who is an RN. The fact is before I had the surgery and was talking to my doc about doing what I wanted done to be done, my doc did not tell me that if I had the surgery that because I was borderline that I could get diabetes because of the surgery even though they KNEW the surgery might do it.
The doc knew and did not tell me all the risks because he needed another guy to get into the perscription systen so he can get a kick back from the drug companies for putting another person on persciption meds.
Plus they tell me "bad things can happen" if I don't take my meds but when I ask them what things they refuse to tell me. I think it has something to do with the malpractice insurence what they can say and not say. I guess answering a patents direct questions is out of line for them.

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To me no because I will feel like I am putting something in my body that does not belong there. It will always feel like taking a iilegal drug to me. No matter how much I try I will fell like I am a druggie looser taking a needle into my body.

But that's not what you're doing. You're putting something into your body that does belong there, but that your body is producing properly by itself.

Regarding weights and pain: I get the same problem with weights, and nothing I've tried makes the problem go away. My problem is that I have overly high muscle tone, and one thing that that causes is that when my muscles contract, they stay contracted for longer than normal, which can be painful. Could this be your problem?
There's not a lot that can be done for it AFAIK, apart from making sure that you warm up and warm down properly before and after exercise, and finding exercise to do that doesn't hurt. Walking is good. I also find that swimming is good for me because it doesn't hurt at all during or afterwards.

How do you think you got to be borderline in the first place? Bad diet/exercise habits is a great way to get borderline.

What is the elective surgery exactly that you had done?

Indeed, there is an element of medical professionals possibly being in the pocket of big pharma, that's not unheard of. But what drugs specifically do they want you to take? If it's insulin, well that's not a surprise and cannot be interpreted as trying to get you on something you don't need. Type 2 diabetes is that you don't produce enough insulin by yourself, so you need an exogenous supply of it. If they want you to take something else, what is it?

I'm trying to keep an open mind, on the one hand it is true that not all medical professionals are entirely honest, but on the flip side what you're saying could be intrepreted as "conspiracy theorist". Which one of the scenarios is going on here really depends on the details, whether they really are asking you to do weird stuff or not.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/diabetes-000049.htm





http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/diabete ... abetes.asp

^taken from that link
Type 2 diabetes is a progressive disease that can cause significant, severe complications such as heart disease, kidney disease, blindness and loss of limbs through amputation. Treatment differs at various stages of the condition. In its early stages, many people with type 2 diabetes can control their blood glucose levels by losing weight, eating properly and exercising. Many may subsequently need oral medication, and some people with type 2 diabetes may eventually need insulin shots to control their diabetes and avoid the disease's serious complications.


Treat it or die or loose a limb is what they aren't telling you.
live however you want but YOU WONT LIVE LONG unless you live they way they are asking you to.

Me and THEY are just trying to help you not hurt you're feelings

please just listen to them or tell them you need more info


p.s. you don't want to put things in you're body that don't belong there?
Listen to me please t.v. dinners are not something you or anyone else should be eating if you don't like eating it fine but that is compairable to drug use it should NOT be there there are TONS of CHEMICALS that are NOT naturally found in food in what you are eating

you already are putting things in you're body that don't belong I'm just saying and I would not post here if I wasn't trying to help

thats it I tried to help you im leaving this thread

I hope you take the advice given to you

Rather not say here. Its does not matter. I know my body needs insuilin. When I use a needle it feels like I am putting something forgien in my body. But with my experence with people with drugs have shown me that you should not put any drug into your body that does not belong there. To me its the act of taking a pill or using a needle that makes me feel like a druggie. I have seen what drugs do first hand. My mom is a recovering addict, she would come into my room high and shake me down for money at night. I have seen friends do nothing but get high and be zombies all the time. It affected me deeply and I will never do anything to myself to make me feel like a druggie. I have told my doc and my NP that but they still demand that I take a needle. I'm also taking crestor for cholesteriol.
Plus every few months I have to have bloodword done. Then when I go talk to my doc and NP about the bloodwork all they do is look at the numbers and I can tell they are thinking 'what drugs can we put him on now?" Not even asking me how I feel about it.
But thats the other thing, my docs are making the assumtion that I want to live as well. Maybe I should tell them how depressed I am and i want to die.

But if you think that the medical folks all "knew" that going ahead with this elective surgery was going to push you into developing full-fledged type 2, then it does in fact matter what it is because you claim that you developed type 2 as a result of it. I'm not going to judge you based on elective surgery. People get elective surgery for all sorts of reasons, and I don't know you well enough to make a judgment based on something like that. What I would do, however, is do my best to become informed about the surgery and get more info about how plausible your claim really is. I prefer to collect the facts before making judgments. I hope you do eventually feel comfortable saying so (maybe a PM), but I'm not going to insist on it. I know it's personal. If your case turns out to be credible, then you could be helping a lot of people out by sending out the warnings about this surgery and what it could do to borderline diabetics.

As far as feeling like a druggie, it might be helpful to keep in mind that it's not the syringes or the needles that make people high. It's what's in them that do that. I can understand how you are getting the association of the medical implements with mind-altering drugs, but if you look at the association more closely, it doesn't hold up so well. I think it's totally reasonable that you don't want any foreign substances in your body, things that will make you really messed up, but insulin is a natural substance. You could just think of it like they are replacing something that should be there in the first place. Intravenously through injection is a major way of doing that.

You know, you don't have to feel like you aren't in control of this situation, as though everything is entirely up to the doctors. It isn't. There's a whole lot you can do to master your own situation, then you wouldn't be so reliant on the doctors you distrust so much. For example taking the drugs to lower your cholesterol. Do you want to have lower cholesterol? If so, there are only two ways to lower it: drugs, and better health habits. The medical field doesn't know of any other way. Since they know you don't want to change your health habits, they are opting for drugs, because those are the only 2 options. If you don't like the drugs, but want lower cholesterol, what else can you do? Those are the only 2 things available. And it's not like it's just you who is faced with this issue; it'll happen to everybody who develops type 2. So it may not necessarily be that "they are all out to get you", it's probably less about you and more about the disease itself. They want to fight the disease. They don't want to fight you.

Yeah, doctors are in the field to keep people alive. If you don't want that, then just don't see a doctor. That's what a lot of people do... or rather don't do.