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02 Dec 2012, 12:51 am

I was at a staff Christmas party tonight. Several things happened that upset me greatly.

1) I was walking to the washroom, a woman ahead of me, whom I work with, was holding onto the arm of another co-worker walking the same way. Unexpectedly she bent down on the floor in front of the washroom and took the 'doggy style' sexual position with her ass up in the air. She saw me and stopped immediatly and gave me a look suggesting 'what are you looking at?'. (Like I was the person doing something unusual).

2) People were dancing, having fun, intoxicated and loving it. I couldn't force myself to dance, even after several drinks. Two men at the bar looked over and said 'Hey there's Rod... doesn't he look in the dumps...what's he doing here?' What they didn't know was my wife was right behind them, and she relayed the story to me. (I wish she hadn't told me, I'd be better off not knowing how they think about me).

3) People we're talking, hugging, friendly kissing, and so forth and I couldn't join in. Just not something I feel comfortable with.

I envy NT's. I want the happiness and fun their capable of, but I don't fit in and I'm essentially 'shut out' forever. I know they must pay some price for what they have. (Not that I know what that would be).

Sometimes I wonder why I'm really here at all- if I can't fit in, join in, or really be part of something greater than my own lonely little world.

I do envy them...

(feeling sad and rejected tonight)


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02 Dec 2012, 1:31 am

I feel you, I was gonna make a similar post to this effect. You go to any public place, you see this sort of interconnectedness like this. In some ways, though, this type of behavior disgusts, too. You feel at times like you're in Babylon or something.

As far as meaning of existence, I ponder it, too. I don't get what God exactly wishes for me to do. In Christianity, you're supposed to help your fellow man, it's hard when there seems to be a chasm between them and you.

My old church was a Charismatic/Pentecostalish kinda church, that really emphasized "connectiveness" and togetherness and stuff. It was there I learned there really was stuff markedly different about me. It seemed to equate how good you were as a Christian to how well you connected with others. So I guess I'm a crappy Christian? "What he has made crooked cannot be straightened." Why, though?



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02 Dec 2012, 1:34 am

The price they pay is having extremely boring interests, living beyond their means, not having an original thought in their heads, placing themselves at greater risk of disease through constant group contact and are more likely to die in a plane crash. Envy them? No, you should be pitying them; their entire universe revolves around how others in the herd esteem them. I seriously have no idea what that 'porn pose' was about myself


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02 Dec 2012, 2:08 am

My perception was shock about the woman who bent down in a sexual position in front of the washroom. Was she offerering herself to the co-worker she was walking with?? Later the same evening she came up to a different male coworker whom I work more closely with and said 'come dance with me honey', and he obliged.

This woman is in her late 30's, a single mom with a 10 year old at home- I don't know what to make of this other than it made me feel embarrassed, left out in the cold, alienated, and shocked.

You want the things you don't have. I've been faithfully married for 16 years, so I haven't had the one night stands, the muliple affairs, the divorses, the casual sex ect. I have a stable home I've lived in for 1/4 of my life, or about 10 years, but I haven't travelled substantially. Yes, I'm an original thinker; but this has not produced a 'payout' in economic results, nor do I ever feel that it will.

So I do envy them. I could have had the rubber stamp edition of life; a good paycheque, casual sex, fun and excitement and happiness; and I got the Aspie experience instead.

The benifits of being an Aspie don't outweigh the problems with being an Aspie, and its not something I can change or fix.


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02 Dec 2012, 2:39 am

Why do you want casual sex? How do you know you'd be happy with it, and how would you even get it when all the behaviors that seem to lead toward it are incredibly uncomfortable to you? Is it that you just want everyone to think you're "normal," or what?



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02 Dec 2012, 4:30 am

Repent wrote:
My perception was shock about the woman who bent down in a sexual position in front of the washroom. Was she offerering herself to the co-worker she was walking with?? Later the same evening she came up to a different male coworker whom I work more closely with and said 'come dance with me honey', and he obliged.

This woman is in her late 30's, a single mom with a 10 year old at home- I don't know what to make of this other than it made me feel embarrassed, left out in the cold, alienated, and shocked.


In the late 1980s, I went to a Christmas party for a college club that was thrown by one woman who was single and had two or three young children at home. She sent them to someone else's house the night of the party. During the course of the party, she took something like five or six different members of the club back to her bedroom for sex.

She was quite the talk of the club for quite a while.

She threw one more party for the same club the following spring. I passed out and woke up on the floor of her living room the next morning. She was very upset about that.



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02 Dec 2012, 7:14 am

A percentage of people have emotional problems like addictions and problems with acting out. Some of the descriptions of people in this thread sound like they are not models for any society.


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02 Dec 2012, 10:16 am

Answer: dont go out. Dont talk to anyone that doesnt understand you. Dont even try to ask for help from ppl that dont understand you. Dont trust family members. Dont trust anyone.

Works for me.



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03 Dec 2012, 5:52 pm

1000Knives wrote:
I feel you, I was gonna make a similar post to this effect. You go to any public place, you see this sort of interconnectedness like this. In some ways, though, this type of behavior disgusts, too. You feel at times like you're in Babylon or something.

As far as meaning of existence, I ponder it, too. I don't get what God exactly wishes for me to do. In Christianity, you're supposed to help your fellow man, it's hard when there seems to be a chasm between them and you.

My old church was a Charismatic/Pentecostalish kinda church, that really emphasized "connectiveness" and togetherness and stuff. It was there I learned there really was stuff markedly different about me. It seemed to equate how good you were as a Christian to how well you connected with others. So I guess I'm a crappy Christian? "What he has made crooked cannot be straightened." Why, though?


Your old church emphasized togetherness because that is effective at reaching a lot of people. The people who thought up these ideas were only going with what they knew and understood.

Not everybody is like them, though. Does that mean you can't be a good Christian if you are not like them? I don't think so. That is not written anywhere in the Bible.

What is true is that you are exactly as God intended you to be. God made you different- "crooked" in your words- and if you believe God is all-powerful, then no, that "crooked" part of you cannot be straightened. But why would you want it to be? God does not make mistakes. He had a purpose in mind for you.

Could it be that the things that make you different help you understand and reach the people that the rest of your church can't? If God loves everyone, then He welcomes all people into the fold. Could it be that He intended for you to help welcome them? Who is going to reach out to the people who are considered "different"?



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03 Dec 2012, 6:25 pm

2wheels4ever wrote:
The price they pay is having extremely boring interests, living beyond their means, not having an original thought in their heads, placing themselves at greater risk of disease through constant group contact and are more likely to die in a plane crash. Envy them? No, you should be pitying them; their entire universe revolves around how others in the herd esteem them. I seriously have no idea what that 'porn pose' was about myself


And yet, I would sacrifice all that made me special, made me unique, made me who I was, if there was some way I could be like everyone else, able to socially engage, able to attract women and find love and just be a part of the human experience, I would do it in a heartbeat. Being myself has been agony, and I'd sell my soul to be someone else.



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03 Dec 2012, 6:28 pm

I can understand completely... I'd be willing to slice my brain in half to be a happy, accepted, sociable dum-dum. Ironically, I'd earn more money with half the brain. *sigh*



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03 Dec 2012, 6:57 pm

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Sometimes I wonder why I'm really here at all- if I can't fit in, join in, or really be part of something greater than my own lonely little world.

I do envy them...

(feeling sad and rejected tonight)


But you're married, that is something that billions of NT people never acheive, certainly not for 16 years anyway. Many people (who don't have their own address / independence) will consider themselves a failure and you a success. Gelling with people in a party is something you can always work on, at any given time. Settling down like you have done, on the other hand, is not such a mean feat

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And yet, I would sacrifice all that made me special, made me unique, made me who I was, if there was some way I could be like everyone else, able to socially engage, able to attract women and find love and just be a part of the human experience, I would do it in a heartbeat. Being myself has been agony, and I'd sell my soul to be someone else.


But those people can't do the animation work like what you've done. As above, the social side of things can be worked on :)


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04 Dec 2012, 12:46 am

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1000Knives wrote:
I feel you, I was gonna make a similar post to this effect. You go to any public place, you see this sort of interconnectedness like this. In some ways, though, this type of behavior disgusts, too. You feel at times like you're in Babylon or something.

As far as meaning of existence, I ponder it, too. I don't get what God exactly wishes for me to do. In Christianity, you're supposed to help your fellow man, it's hard when there seems to be a chasm between them and you.

My old church was a Charismatic/Pentecostalish kinda church, that really emphasized "connectiveness" and togetherness and stuff. It was there I learned there really was stuff markedly different about me. It seemed to equate how good you were as a Christian to how well you connected with others. So I guess I'm a crappy Christian? "What he has made crooked cannot be straightened." Why, though?


Your old church emphasized togetherness because that is effective at reaching a lot of people. The people who thought up these ideas were only going with what they knew and understood.

Not everybody is like them, though. Does that mean you can't be a good Christian if you are not like them? I don't think so. That is not written anywhere in the Bible.

What is true is that you are exactly as God intended you to be. God made you different- "crooked" in your words- and if you believe God is all-powerful, then no, that "crooked" part of you cannot be straightened. But why would you want it to be? God does not make mistakes. He had a purpose in mind for you.

Could it be that the things that make you different help you understand and reach the people that the rest of your church can't? If God loves everyone, then He welcomes all people into the fold. Could it be that He intended for you to help welcome them? Who is going to reach out to the people who are considered "different"?


Well, now I'm Eastern Orthodox, just for the record. I wonder, though, according to Calvinist theology (which is not Orthodox, and is usually condemned by Orthodox people) am I just predestined to damnation? Does God just hate me or something? I don't know. I also feel God's given me the "second chance" too many times. Maybe this time what I've done in my life, he won't forgive. I don't know if I've forgiven others in my life, I've probably not. I cannot help but feel God has just created me for damnation, though.

As far as reaching out to other "weird" people. Maybe. Who knows. I don't think even most of them like me. And right now I'm incapacitated and doubting God loving me, or anyone for that matter, so I don't know how well that's working out. Even if God likes to test people, I can't help but see God not as a loving father, but like, a stern coldhearted martial arts teacher father.

To the OP, though. Who knows. To be fair, maybe in some way it's a blessing we cannot participate in such things very easily. Less to answer to on Judgement Day. Or maybe more. Who knows, CS Lewis says this in "Screwtape Proposes a Toast"

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In each individual choice of what the Enemy would call the “wrong” turning, such creatures are at first hardly, if at all, in a state of full spiritual responsibility. They do not understand either the source or the real character of the prohibitions they are breaking. Their consciousness hardly exists apart from the social atmosphere that surrounds them.

Conformity to the social environment, at first merely instinctive or even mechanical — how should a jelly not conform? — now becomes an unacknowledged creed or ideal of Togetherness or Being Like Folks. Mere ignorance of the law they break now turns into a vague theory about it — remember, they know no history — a theory expressed by calling it conventional or Puritan or bourgeois “morality.” Thus gradually there comes to exist at the center of the creature a hard, tight, settled core of resolution to go on being what it is, and even to resist moods that might tend to alter it. It is a very small core; not at all reflective (they are too ignorant) nor defiant (their emotional and imaginative poverty excludes that); almost, in its own way, prim and demure; like a pebble, or a very young cancer. But it will serve our turn. Here at last is a real and deliberate, though not fully articulate, rejection of what the Enemy calls Grace.


Oh well, God bless and good night.



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04 Dec 2012, 2:47 am

There are times I wish I was like them being able to fit in not being thought of as weird but I snap myself out of it and tell myself "why would I want to be a lemming?"[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV1ivJcmtrw[/youtube]As the rest of the populous view me as some freak I view them as these!


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Well, now I'm Eastern Orthodox, just for the record. I wonder, though, according to Calvinist theology (which is not Orthodox, and is usually condemned by Orthodox people) am I just predestined to damnation? Does God just hate me or something? I don't know. I also feel God's given me the "second chance" too many times. Maybe this time what I've done in my life, he won't forgive. I don't know if I've forgiven others in my life, I've probably not. I cannot help but feel God has just created me for damnation, though.

As far as reaching out to other "weird" people. Maybe. Who knows. I don't think even most of them like me. And right now I'm incapacitated and doubting God loving me, or anyone for that matter, so I don't know how well that's working out. Even if God likes to test people, I can't help but see God not as a loving father, but like, a stern coldhearted martial arts teacher father.


Have you asked your pastor for an opinion on this? You say Eastern Orthodox does not accept Calvinist ideas. Maybe it would help to get an expert to explain why. There must be a reason, and usually they can back up their reasoning with quotes from the Bible.

It is pretty hard, since we are human, to imagine that God could forgive endlessly. That's probably why God is defined as not human.

It would be beneficial for you to try to forgive others. Honestly, the only person it hurts is you when you refuse to forgive. There is something I'm learning about now called loving kindness meditation. It involves focusing on loving, accepting and forgiving yourself and others. You start small, thinking about forgiving some small slight from a person you care about. Like if your sister, who you love, said something that annoyed you. You could start with something like that. There are descriptions online of how to do it. You can also adapt it as a prayer, where you ask God to forgive you and other people. This has actually been shown in several studies to really help people with emotional distress.



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04 Dec 2012, 11:23 am

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I was at a staff Christmas party tonight. Several things happened that upset me greatly.

1) I was walking to the washroom, a woman ahead of me, whom I work with, was holding onto the arm of another co-worker walking the same way. Unexpectedly she bent down on the floor in front of the washroom and took the 'doggy style' sexual position with her ass up in the air. She saw me and stopped immediatly and gave me a look suggesting 'what are you looking at?'. (Like I was the person doing something unusual).

2) People were dancing, having fun, intoxicated and loving it. I couldn't force myself to dance, even after several drinks. Two men at the bar looked over and said 'Hey there's Rod... doesn't he look in the dumps...what's he doing here?' What they didn't know was my WIFE was right behind them, and she relayed the story to me. (I wish she hadn't told me, I'd be better off not knowing how they think about me).

3) People we're talking, hugging, friendly kissing, and so forth and I couldn't join in. Just not something I feel comfortable with.

I envy NT's. I want the happiness and fun their capable of, but I don't fit in and I'm essentially 'shut out' forever. I know they must pay some price for what they have. (Not that I know what that would be).

Sometimes I wonder why I'm really here at all- if I can't fit in, join in, or really be part of something greater than my own lonely little world.

I do envy them...

(feeling sad and rejected tonight)


Feel lucky.


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