The rise of fascism on WP - part 2?

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02 Jan 2015, 3:02 am

The rise of fascism on WP again ? The growing stupidity in society creeping around here with some norwegian posters and other pointless womanbashing/religiridicilous posts, and some reliable feedbackers for keepin' it going on !
I don't want WP being worse than RL, but keep going this way ! !! DON'T FEED THE TROLLS



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02 Jan 2015, 4:33 am

Norwegian posters? For a band?



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02 Jan 2015, 4:55 am

Looks to me like some people have become so contrarian they don't mind supporting totalitarianism and panopticons as long as it makes them seem edgy. I know exactly who you're writing about and yeah, I've stopped dignifying them with responses too. Their blindness to unilateral equality will pass sometime after they become threadkillers.

edit: I'm 50% Norsk and I cannot fracking believe some of those sentiments... Makes me wonder if that dude knows what paper clips represented.


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02 Jan 2015, 8:24 am

Socialist Totalitarianism and Fascist Totalitarianism are still Totalitarianism. I believe Equality is putting up with people of all kinds, even those who don't put up with others, otherwise that's not really Equality.


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02 Jan 2015, 9:50 am

superpentil wrote:
Socialist Totalitarianism and Fascist Totalitarianism are still Totalitarianism. I believe Equality is putting up with people of all kinds, even those who don't put up with others, otherwise that's not really Equality.


Don't forget capitalist totalitarianism. How can there be any equality when people are told their false sense of superiority is a way they're rightfully allowed to act? I'm not advocating for thoughtcrime, only against some really corrosive, polarizing influences.


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02 Jan 2015, 11:01 am

Nah....I think many political/philosophical viewpoints are represented here on WP.

If an abject Nazi, or a Stalinist, posts here, then I'll start worrying.



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02 Jan 2015, 11:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
...If an abject Nazi, or a Stalinist, posts here, then I'll start worrying.

Hehe. I agree. Makes me wonder if there can even be a less-than-abject Nazi or Stalinist. :D Reminds me of a Woody Allen joke in his early stand-up comedy years: "We were married by a Reform rabbi in Long Island. A very Reform rabbi. A Nazi." Side note: Are there many Reform rabbis in L.I.?

I believe that it is difficult at best to change the opinions of the mainstream of American society without its consent. Matters such as fascism and totalitarianism are currently proposed by those who find a silver lining within those beliefs (certain "think tanks" and other government camp followers). The majority doesn't, but sees the risks and avoids joining in. Much of political activity these days includes throwing out crazy ideas and hoping something sticks. And, I am amazed at the political "celebrities" who openly support such ideas.

While we should always keep an eye on such things, my money is still on those Americans who see nothing to gain from such bizarre and outdated ideas.


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02 Jan 2015, 11:52 am

I think most people, after a little thought, see the absurdity of extremist ideas.

I believe there's a considerable amount of "venting" on the internet by people who want to establish some "street cred" by espousing such ideas. In real life, however, I doubt it if many people, especially if they think about the ultimate result of believing in such ideas, will truly espouse those ideas in a fulsome way within their actual, empirical existence.



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02 Jan 2015, 1:47 pm

AspieUtah wrote:

While we should always keep an eye on such things, my money is still on those Americans who see nothing to gain from such bizarre and outdated ideas.


Yes, and there is overrepresentation in media



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02 Jan 2015, 3:35 pm

traven wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
While we should always keep an eye on such things, my money is still on those Americans who see nothing to gain from such bizarre and outdated ideas.

Yes, and there is overrepresentation in media

Which suggests a degree of intention by one or more individuals or groups.


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02 Jan 2015, 3:38 pm

The Norwegian poster is not half as bad as a Swedish poster who will remain nameless.

I see a lot of ridiculous threads that would've been closed long ago if I was a mod.

If they want this forum to be a joke, then so be it. I just laugh now.



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02 Jan 2015, 3:51 pm

Syd wrote:
The Norwegian poster is not half as bad as a Swedish poster who will remain nameless.

I see a lot of ridiculous threads that would've been closed long ago if I was a mod.

If they want this forum to be a joke, then so be it. I just laugh now.


I get you. One of the above specializes in "thought salads" where one bizarre idea leads into another and any connection between them seems to be accidental. Any challenge to this brings out a grandiosity, dissenters are seen by this member as inferior beings... I hope he hasn't got any weapons.



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02 Jan 2015, 4:06 pm

There is an intention to be objective in journalism--but it is just that: a utopian ideal.

Everybody has some kind of bias for something.



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02 Jan 2015, 4:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is an intention to be objective in journalism--but it is just that: a utopian ideal.

Everybody has some kind of bias for something.

That has always been true, yes. But, this kind of comparison brings the intentional reporting of "news" and its "truthier" interpretations into a whole new light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8dejYGa5A

Now, apply that phenomenon to weightier matters like constitutional rights and liberties.


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02 Jan 2015, 4:45 pm

There are right-wingers on WP who are anti-immigration. Are they fascist or Nazi's?
No, those are labels used to smear people.



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02 Jan 2015, 7:33 pm

slenkar wrote:
There are right-wingers on WP who are anti-immigration. Are they fascist or Nazi's?
No, those are labels used to smear people.


Labels to smear people who smear millions more people. At what point exactly does it cancel out? They just suck at sharing their planet. There is no right side of a razor wire fence.


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