This issue still perplexes me. Seriously. Can we discuss it?

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I never said I had any intent of taking 10-15 years to write a report.
I said I have goals of returning to University to study Biochemistry & Medicine - that's what's going to take a ~decade. At that point it would no longer be a layman's story, but rather, my medical opinion.

My lack of interest in writing a different report for wrongplanet forums is that basically I've already shared all the information there is to share and people here's response is that I'm lying or it's a hoax or they simply don't believe me or aren't interested for whatever reason. Why on Earth would I jump at the chance to rewrite the same information to try to help people with when said people have already formed their opinions and told me they don't believe a word I say and aren't going to attempt to treat their own symptoms via my diet or treatment protocol methods? Honestly, I'd rather spend that time laughing at trump administration headlines. At least I get some entertainment out of that.

If you had done what I did 4+ years ago you'd be pretty excited to share it with this group, too. Then you'd wonder why no one seemed interested in treating their symptoms instead of just complaining about them.

Long term investment? Virtually anyone here could have tried this and proven it does or doesn't work for them in a matter of several weeks/a few months, yet here we are 4+ years later with the same forum posters griping about the same or worsening symptoms.

It seems people are somehow attached to their suffering & misery like their symptoms are their captor in a weird sort of stockholm syndrome and they have no interest in bettering themselves for fear of losing that identity of a suffering person. Maybe not, but it seems that way.

Well, that's good you're eating a healthier diet - even if bit by bit vs. all at once. Progress & improvement is still progress & improvement.

Your method sounds a fair bit like what Dr. Tony Attwood describes as "intellectual processing," only done with a lot of thought put into planning in advance vs. entirely on the fly. Basically, Aspies use their intellect to process social scenarios around them and determine the best response or reaction vs. intuitively responding or reacting like an NT. When I read this description in his book (The Complete Guide To Asperger's Syndrome) I realized I'd done this countless times, especially at work when I was a bartender. Kinda sounds like this is what your method entails, only you're doing it well in advance of the scenario and then running the script kind of thing vs. using your intellectual abilities to process things live on the fly as they're happening - although, I'm sure that not everything goes as planned and that you don't always think up every option and then you Do likely end up having to process and decide things in the moment at times despite your planning, too, yeah?

Regardless, it IS a workable coping mechanism. I've done it. However, when I used to be HIGHLY anxious & very Aspie doing this was incredibly draining and I definitely needed time to recharge afterwards. I don't think anyone can keep it up 24/7 with ease. Now it's quite rare that I ever do this, as I feel that my responses are much more naturally, intuitively, socially acceptable vs. requiring very quick thinking to determine what I should say or do. I never get so mentally drained as I used to when relying on this, either.

Dude, it's already been explained to you.

Your pitch sucks. You don't have a good handle on how you present yourself to people. Awhile ago, you were asking why people were put-off when you "corrected" them on their use of the brand names of medication with the scientific name. It's because you come across as a condescending know-it-all. Work on your compassion and empathy, and folks might be more inclined to listen to you.

You'll win more converts that way than getting in their face and yelling, "MY DIET IS AWESOME. YOU'RE LAZY IF YOU DON'T TRY MY DIET. COME ON, IT'S AWESOME! JUST TRY IT!! !!"

I'd be excited to share it with the group, too

But I would present the diet as something which benefitted YOU, and which COULD benefit someone else. I would express understanding about someone's reluctance. I would say "yes, I am aware there are snake oil salesman around, so I wouldn't be perplexed as to why you are skeptical. But this has truly worked for me." I wouldn't expect an unconditionally positive response to what you are pitching.

I would present my diet as sort of an "optional" thing, rather than something which is "required" in order for a person to improve. There are many ways in which people with autism and other disorders improve which have nothing to do with diet. As one way of many potential ways.

I would try to make friends with that person or persons on other terms other than the diet which has transformed you.

That's what people do. They hang out with each other for a while, THEN introduce something which benefitted them, in a "by the way" sort of format.

Look for "openings," rather than lay the stuff out on the table right away.

The wisdom of KK asserts itself again.

I don't recall whatever medication conversation you're talking about.

I've never used those words. Again, at least twice in this thread, you're making up false quotes & accusations putting words in my mouth saying that I've said things I've never said.

And you wonder why my reactions to your fabricated quotes aren't so positive in nature.

Perception is everything. Saying how straighted out you've become and yet sounding so offbeat is a big problem.

I think Goldfish has found his niche....and he wants others to find theirs, too.

But....there are times when people have to find their niche in their own way. They have to learn their own lessons. They don't want the process of finding their own niche to be dictated to them by somebody else. They want to have control over their own lives.

It's good that he is providing us with the diet as a reference. When people are ready, and feel the desire, they will look up Goldfish's diet. But they don't want to be given the "hard sell" about it all.

I never liked it when people would try to give me the "hard sell" about anything.

Welp the guy sounds high as a kite to me. Like a hamster in a wheel going full speed. And seems to lack both self awareness and theory of mind.

Now normally I wouldn't want to say things like that about someone. But considering what he's pitching it's necessary.

At least you admit that you would be excited about sharing it if you were in my position. Others here can't comprehend, after 4+ years, why I present things in an excited manner. Because it's exciting! If anyone here had done what I had they'd have been stoked to share it with the people it could help. Instead of comprehending that, I'm accused of being manic & nuts etc. Okay, whatever, like I've said before it's not going to hinder my life one bit if others don't believe me and try any of this for themselves. I'm going to carry on ever higher functioning, being much happier, and earning myself a small fortune over time, and then enjoying the fruits of my labour vs. keeping myself in the miserable state I was before doing any of this.

I did present it as what's benefited me. I did present it as something that could benefit others. I suggested they try it for themselves and find out whether it did or did not benefit them vs. preclude that it cannot. I addressed the statements that people thought I was a "snakeoil salesman," 4+ years ago when I pointed out that I am not selling anything. I'm not asking for their money for my advice or information, nor for any "magic tonic," nor for any groceries, herbs, oils, apple cider vinegar, teas, supplements, probiotics etc. I'm not selling anything. I've only been speaking my truth & suggesting that others give it a try by supporting their local markets & health food stores of their choice. How can I possibly be considered a "snakeoil salesman," when I have never ever even once offered up anything for sale, let alone any sort of snakey placebo/nothingness in a bottle, as per the origins of the phrase?

I didn't expect an unconditionally positive response. However, I also didn't expected a nearly 100% negative response, either. Not at all. I honestly thought there would be more than the very few who've messaged me who might be interested in alleviating their own symptoms via diet & natural medicine vs. keep themselves stuck on their own personal hell of a hamster wheel of ASD symptoms. That part is just downright BIZARRE to me, hence this thread. Obviously it's not for me to understand why people would choose to keep themselves in such a dark state vs. try anything and everything they could to live a happier more balanced experience of life. Again, I come back to my thoughts on them being attached to their symptoms AS their identity & thus their resistance to change may be tied to that. I don't know. I'm merely guessing as to what goes on inside these peoples' heads.

Of course it's optional. I just figured more than zero people here would opt to try a medicinal diet and see if it worked for them as it has me, too. As I've shared, I've found that a restricted diet & other things I do *are* required to keep my symptoms in check, so I opt to do it. I find it extremely difficult to believe that I am the only one on these forums who's symptoms are caused by the same intestinal issues & can be alleviated by treating it in the ways I have - especially with the number of regular forum posters here complaining of gastrointestinal issues. Those GI issues & ASD are strongly correlated, IMO.

There are other ways I improve besides diet, too. ie Exercise. It definitely has a positive effect on my mental well being & balance - especially running. But diet/medicine is a MASSIVE part of the overall protocol I follow and there is zero chance that I would be able to treat what ails me with even 10% of the effectiveness via running & other non-dietary methods alone. But yes, there are other ways to improve. Learning from books, counsellors, exercise, blue space time spent at the beach, meditation & breathing exercises etc. Many things besides diet can & do help. I have never made any such argument that they cannot.

I was posting here for a solid year or two before posting the diet & treatment protocol I'd figured out for myself that has made such a tremendously positive impact on my ASD and other symptoms. Again, I didn't sign up to these forums in November 2013 and open with a post about what I'd done. People were well enough aware of my existence as a member of this forum community. Doing what I have drastically changed my life for the better so I shared it here because it may do the same for others. I don't particularly care for manipulative soft sell social BS. I'm not going to make a bunch of internet friends by pretending to give a s**t about them & have "NT" conversations back and forth until one day I feel the time is right to tell them that my diet and other things have worked wonders for my symptoms. Like many others on the spectrum, I'm much more real & blunt about things with a "here are the facts," sort of post - which I made, and to my bewilderment, people aren't interested in learning & doing from as for some bizarre reason they prefer to stay just as, or worse, as they've always been despite the fact that for 4+ years I've been beating the same drum, w/o wavering because it's true, about just how much better my life/work/play/social life/finances etc are for having done this. It's nothing short of BIZARRE (to me) that others wouldn't be interested in attempting to emulate what I've done for myself to see if maybe they can begin to achieve similar results with their health, functioning levels, ability to get back into the workforce, earn some money, have some fun, make some friends, go to parties, participate in sports they love, slowly build some financial wealth etcetera and so on. I don't continue to make small update posts about my life to rub it in anyone's faces that I'm having an overall fantastic time compared to how I used to be 5-6 years ago. I do it to show that I have in fact legitimately changed so MUCH and that life is wonderful & full of ever increasing possibilities & potential with my ASD symptoms under control as they are compared to before I did any of this. No matter what anyone else decides not to do for themselves, I'm going to carry on doing as I do & I'm going to be ever more successful and wealthy for it. I now have my sights set on some really, REALLY, big life goals that are actually realistically possible for me to achieve despite the fact that it'll take a focused effort for a decade or so and cost probably somewhere in the vicinity of half a million dollars. Those things were all so far fetched and completely impossible 5-6 years ago that I wouldn't have even dreamt them possible in my wildest dreams. Now? Not so much. But whatever, as far as you're all concerned I've been perpetuating a lifelong hoax and all of this is fiction for my own entertainment.

Well, I AM as improved over how I used to be as I claim. Which words would better describe it than the ones I've used consistently for more than 4 years?

How am I "offbeat?" It almost seems as if some of you have been so depressed, cynical, skeptical, pessimistic and negative your entire lives that having a happy person among you is simply unbelievable. Pardon me for figuring out how not to be so negative & be happy instead.

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I do enjoy flying my surf kites, though. I've been back to kiteboarding on the ocean in Squamish the last few Summers and it's been GLORIOUS to have my body/coordination/nervous system cooperate well enough to do it vs. having dyspraxia symptoms make it damned near impossible.

As for straightening out, nope, never. Super gay forever.

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I may be mis-rembering things, but my point still stands.

Listen to KK if you want to appeal to the masses. Learning something new is noble, not a failure. At the end of the day, we're all autistic, and we're trying to help you.

Spread your good news, just don't do it in a way that alienates your audience.

When I'm high (I'm not) it's a few tokes of marijuana, not tweaking out on crystal meth.

Again, like a broken record, if you figured out how to do what I have you'd have been pretty excited to share it with this group, too. It's life changing stuff.

Like I said, you come off high as a kite like you're on amphetamines. Right after I said that the first time, you rattled off a wall of rambling text, as if to confirm my observation.

It's been there for 4+ years. Seems weird to me that that isn't enough time for people to process and think "Well, nothing else I've done has achieved the results I want, maybe I'll give some of this a shot and find out for myself." Weird. To. Me. Maybe people here need to think about it for 40 years before they decide to see if they can take control of what's left of the rest of their lives? *shrug* I won't pretend to know their own personal timelines for things & decisions. All I know is that it seems weird, to me.