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Yep. Sums it up pretty good. Sucks I haven’t been able to hold any newborn babies And what’s been an even bigger, more like the Biggest, impact to my life is my sex life going from extremely active down to Zero 7 months ago. :/ Def would be nice to have that back again.. However, I have other things to do with my time - like ride motorcycles & get more sleep etc. (But not at the same time lol) While I fully get that lack of touch SUCKS, there are certainly other things to do for the time being.

I believe that it was ridiculous to have said that, because it’s a novel virus, no one in the population would have immunity and so 100% of the population was, at the start, susceptible to it.

It’s ridiculous because while SARS-CoV-2 is indeed novel, coronaviruses are not. There’s no such thing as an ‘ancestor-less virus’. You will recall at least two, then-novel coronaviruses in the recent past: SARS in 2003 and MERS in 2012 (Zhu et al, 2020). While they didn’t spread worldwide, they are very similar, both at a sequence level and at a structural level, to SARS-CoV-2.

But there’s much more than these infamous coronaviruses. For reasons I don’t understand, given the significance of what I’m about to tell you, none of the so-called medical correspondents and science journalists on radio and TV have ever (as far as I know) spoken of the four, endemic, common-cold inducing coronaviruses. It’s well understood by clinicians and scientists who’ve spent any time reading the scientific literature that at least four coronaviruses circulate freely in UK and elsewhere where they’ve been studied. They have names: OC43, HKU1, 229E and NL63 (Zhu et al, 2020). They were first discovered around 55 years ago and, since they are seasonal (for reasons that are not completely understood), some researchers track their annual arrival and departure. Incidentally, because of the spike protein, which is unique to coronaviruses, but largely shared across the family, any PCR test reliant on primers to the sequences encoding the spike protein might well cross-react and pick up and detect as SARS-CoV-2 anyone having a coronavirus common cold at the time of sampling (see Cepheid Innovation Technical Datasheet). These four coronaviruses are but a handful of the literally scores of respiratory viruses which, together, cause between a quarter and a third of what we call the common cold (Gupta, 2020). Symptoms of infection with any of these endemic coronaviruses cause the constellation of symptoms you’d expect if you get an upper respiratory tract infection, or a cold. Some people get really minor, if any symptoms at all. Some get really heavy colds and it takes a couple of weeks before you throw them off. Regrettably, a few elderly and already ill people die after what in younger, more healthy people, causes no more than a cold.

It is my belief and that of multiple, top quality research groups around the world, that many individuals who’ve been infected by one or more of these endemic, common-cold producing coronaviruses in the past, have a long-lived and robust immunity, not only to those viruses, but to closely related viruses. SARS-CoV-2 is one such closely-related virus. Note the similarity of some of these viruses: SARS-CoV-2 is 80% identical to SARS at the gene level and the fusion subunit of all these common cold coronaviruses has high identity to the equivalent sequence of SARS-CoV-2 (Zhu et al, 2020). In researching this specific information, I came across scientists on discussion boards. One of them, responding to emerging data that immunologists were discovering SAR-CoV-2 reactive T-cells in patients never exposed to the virus, speculated that varying exposure and immunity to common cold coronaviruses might play a role in defining susceptibility to the novel virus. My insight is not new. What surprises me is that no one advising the government has done anything with this information.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

Video interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y51GICqL9E

It is not politically expediant

I have been doing other things during this time, but I still miss my freedom and I so badly want to be able to actually spend time with my mother, and the rest of my family too. I never thought I was so social until this pandemic started.

There's another thing in the back of my mind that is bothering me...but I'm scared to say here in case it triggers people or causes unwanted personal attacks. So I better not say it unless you want me to.

"Bothering" would imply that it's something you're not sure about, so you wouldn't be making a statement of fact. If we're not allowed to raise concerns, ask questions and say what's on our mind then this forum isn't really worth bothering with anymore.

Experts barely agree on anything, people can sound as though they know what they are talking about and be completely wrong. A majority can be wrong. Those who try to intimidate people and shut down debate should never be be trusted or listened to.

OK, I'm still at risk of being called dumb for expressing this, but I am worrying about the COVID vaccines. As much as I want a vaccine to be in place, the media keep mentioning that the vaccine may not be safe.
I'm not talking about what I posted earlier.
I'm talking about, and here's the risk I'm taking of being ridiculed here...what if the vaccine makes me severely autistic?
I worry about this because of the time when I was a child everybody in the school had to have a vaccine for meningitis but I had to be exempt from having the vaccine because the school nurse said it might "make my Asperger's worse". So basically I could have have lost the ability to speak or something.
So ever since then I have been terrified of having vaccines, in case it might change me into a different person and make me lose all my social skills.

Please don't judge me for asking this, as I am not stating it as fact. I am just wondering what possible side effects a COVID vaccine could cause and if it was even remotely possible that it could affect one's brain wiring.

It's absolutely okay to ask and if someone attacks you for it, I will defend you wilt all the power I have.

The vaccine-autism thing has been debunked but it might not yet have been when your school meningitis vaccinations happened. Exceptions from being vaccinated when one is considered at risk of unwanted effects are normal - when everyone not at risk is vaccinated, crowd immunity is still achieved.

While vaccine producers are expected to put all their effort to make the vaccines safe, sometimes something unpredictable happens - we never can really tell all possible long-term effects of something new, until enough time passes to observe them. That's why I'm dubious about the "everybody gets vaccinated and things go back to normal" scenario. I rather expect it to be "once those at high risk and those working with them get vaccinated, we can switch to Swedish model without its downsides".

You're not being dumb, it's a perfectly reasonable question. A lot of people are worried about the vaccine for all kinds of reasons. I won't be volunteering and I won't be giving consent for my daughter to have it, but I expect there will be enough people willing to have the vaccine so that it won't be an issue for those who refuse. They won't need to vaccinate everybody, they will have a target number and it won't be 100%.

We'll then have to wait and see if that's the end of it, or if they're intent on encouraging people to be vaccinated every year and whether or not they decide to use coercion tactics if the takeup level begins to fall below acceptable levels.

What media is that? Has there ever been a non-safe vaccine?



She was an ignorant idiot.

The only time there was ever any thought of any link between vaccines and autism was in one faked study which was debunked. It was literal research fraud and was found out. (Search for 'Andrew Wakefield' for the sordid details.) But people keep repeating it because they can't be bothered to do their own research and find out that there was never any link.

No, vaccines have never been inherently unsafe (yes, there were some incidents over fifty years ago where the manufacturing process caused isolated examples of contamination, and there have been fifty years of more rigorous production and testing since then). No, there's never been any vaccine-autism link. Yes, people have tried to push the lie because they have a personal ideology of utter stupidity and ignorance.

Don't take my word for it. Do your own research, and read the primary sources, rather than media sensationalism and clickbait conspiracy websites that repeat each other. Yes, the original sources are dry and boring scientific and medical reports and documentation. They're also actually accurate; if they're not, they tend to be exposed very quickly when people can't replicate the claims in them.

Why have there been claims of Mercury in vaccines ? Is there any truth to that ?

I hope not.

It's just that they say vaccines usually take years to develop, but this one is apparently ready and could be given to millions of high risk people in the UK by Christmas. So now the news reporters are saying that it may not be safe. I don't know if that means it may not protect you 100% from COVID or if it means it will turn you into a big hairy monster or cause long-term health effects or whatever. I don't know if it is physically possible for a vaccine to permanently damage the brain or make a person with a neurological disability become "worse". But I suppose some drugs can damage the brain, although I'm not sure it is physically possible for a high-functioning Aspie to turn into a classic low-functioning autistic if they take drugs like cocaine. Is it impossible?

Pfizer says their vaccine is 90% effective and should be available to the masses by ~April. That’s hardly forever away.

Here's a vaccine related brain damage story from 6 years ago.

Victims of swine flu jab to get £60m payout
Lois Rogers
Sunday March 02 2014, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
SIXTY people are to receive a multimillion-pound payout from the government after they suffered brain damage caused by a swine flu vaccine.
Most of the victims are children but they also include six health workers. Peter Todd, a lawyer representing many sufferers, said the government would face a bill of at least £60m — £1m for each victim......... It was later revealed that the vaccine can cause severe epilepsy-type symptoms, called narcolepsy and cataplexy, in up to one in 16,000 recipients —"

Is a Coronavirus Vaccine a Ticking Time Bomb?
https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/0 ... time-bomb/

The UK government last month passed legislation so that unlicensed coronavirus and influenza vaccines can be administered in the UK with no civil liability.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1125/made

So...the vaccine could turn me into a LFA?

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If you're afraid of it, you can use your autism to be excluded from a mandatory vaccination program - if it ever happens, which is far from certain.

Current UK law is that anybody can refuse a vaccine.

I wouldn't want to try and convince anybody who trusts their government to not be vaccinated, but I think it is important to reassure the people who do not want the vaccine, that they are not alone and that they can refuse it.