I don't want to be a narcissist

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02 May 2023, 3:43 pm

I have thousands of screenshots. ^
Maybe one day I should actually organise them. :lol:
So far I've always been able to find what I need.


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02 May 2023, 4:01 pm

I remember the time when a mod here angrily deleted my account in revenge so I blasted it out in public on every autism forum when it became obvious she did it and I got villainized for it and seen as the bully. But yet people do it all the time, they blast it out in public when they are scammed for one. If someone wrongs me and I have valid proof, I will expose it so they can't deny it. Sadly I no longer have screen shots and it's way in the past. I might still have them but they would be on a burned disc with the rest of my files. Thing is some people were friends with this mod as well so I am sure the uncomfortable truth was hard for them so it was easier for them to side against me. Now because this was over ten years ago, no need to mention username. Alex was pretty pissed too because it messed stuff up on this forum.

So you have to be careful when you publicly expose someone because not everyone wants to believe it even if the evidence is sitting in front of them. Sometimes you end up revictimizing yourself when people side with the bully or the abuser. This is why victims stay silent. Bullies tend to have more power than the victim, especially if they have friends so it gives them more power. This mod was the sort of person who was nice to most people and only nasty to selective users so it was easier for them to stay silent so it was easy for other users to discredit them. The bully can just tell their side and everyone will believe them because they are the mod. The whole thing was shocking and scary for me. They can also tell truths too and twist it. This mod had also broken rules herself so it made her a hypocrite. I had a previous account, bad me. But she had an alt account too before. Hypocrite. There have been many other users here as well that have had previous accounts so by her logic, they all have to be trolls too and must be villainized for it as well. Many users here would talk about their fetishes so I would talk about mine and somehow I was the evil villain. Don't want me to talk about mine, enforce that rule on all users and lock every fetish thread then so no one is singled out. I never liked to be treated different and have double standards and I delt with this as a kid as well so I was shocked even autistic people can engage in this same bullying behavior.

My choir teacher was the same way too, had selective victims and was nice to everyone else. Even I thought she was a good teacher and I didn't believe she would do that and I thought there was a misunderstanding when one of my school mates was having issues with her. Then she went after my brother and I realized the real her and realized the other kids were never naughty, she bullied them and gaslighted everyone around her. For example, kids be talking and my brother just be sitting there saying nothing, she then yell "B, stop talking" and when he defend himself "she tell him again "you're talking again." My parents thought they were going crazy so they were talking to other parents only to find out same happened to their child too. My choir teacher had gotten away with this behavior for many many years. I find out in 2018, my aid knew about it and I wondered why the hell did she not say anything about it. Then I wondered what other staff knew about it but said nothing, they were all enablers for not speaking up. My choir teacher never went after me because I would have blasted it and maybe ask for a tape record and record everything in class and play it to other kids for proof as a way to defend myself. Plus my aid would have backed me up if she did it to me and because I was in the resource room, she was smart to not go after me or she be seen as an ableist bully. So I had special treatment because she never went after me when I am more vulnerable to it.


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02 May 2023, 4:11 pm

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So, you are saying that mind games NEVER happen on a website?
Surely, not.
Friends don't usually slag each other off covertly in forums, but those who have a grudge against you might.



They happen a bit, but not often.

People who think mind games are very common tend to be on-the-lookout for them, and they'll imagine them existing where they don't. Then they'll act almost paranoid that people or groups are out to get them, even after being reassured that's not true.

It happened to me once. I was posting a few references to situations in my private life but I couldn't share all the details on a public site. Sometimes I cracked self-deprecating jokes about my own life, or my sad state of affairs. Some members interpreted my posts as being cryptic messages or mind games directed at them, as if I had a secret grudge. I reassured those members it wasn't about them but they insisted it was. I suppose they knew better than I did. Later, they began a series of threads doubting the credibility of autistic people, or suggesting it's normal for mind games to happen all over the forum because we're all out to get each other.

If they get their jollies from a persecution complex or from thinking my world resolves around them, there's not much more I can do.


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02 May 2023, 5:23 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Pepe wrote:
So, you are saying that mind games NEVER happen on a website?
Surely, not.
Friends don't usually slag each other off covertly in forums, but those who have a grudge against you might.



They happen a bit, but not often.

People who think mind games are very common tend to be on-the-lookout for them, and they'll imagine them existing where they don't. Then they'll act almost paranoid that people or groups are out to get them, even after being reassured that's not true.

It happened to me once. I was posting a few references to situations in my private life but I couldn't share all the details on a public site. Sometimes I cracked self-deprecating jokes about my own life, or my sad state of affairs. Some members interpreted my posts as being cryptic messages or mind games directed at them, as if I had a secret grudge. I reassured those members it wasn't about them but they insisted it was. I suppose they knew better than I did. Later, they began a series of threads doubting the credibility of autistic people, or suggesting it's normal for mind games to happen all over the forum because we're all out to get each other.

If they get their jollies from a persecution complex or from thinking my world resolves around them, there's not much more I can do.


Happened to me on here as well. Would post about my doubts of my own diagnoses here and wonder if I am going through a burnout or just having anxiety and talk about my personal experience and someone here (no longer active here) thought all my posts were about her. I once talked about my interests being useless because that is what my ex told me because they won't get a career or any thing and I mentioned London, this user thought I was talking about her because she lives in London. London was one of my special interests back in the days.


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02 May 2023, 5:30 pm

I'm sorry that happened. In my situation I messaged the person directly to ask them what was going on, and why they were accusing me of being in a conspiracy, but they didn't answer. For all I know I was blocked on PM or possibly even on their forum view.

Whatever. As they say, "Not my circus. Not my monkeys."


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02 May 2023, 9:24 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Pepe wrote:
So, you are saying that mind games NEVER happen on a website?
Surely, not.
Friends don't usually slag each other off covertly in forums, but those who have a grudge against you might.



They happen a bit, but not often.

People who think mind games are very common tend to be on-the-lookout for them, and they'll imagine them existing where they don't. Then they'll act almost paranoid that people or groups are out to get them, even after being reassured that's not true.

...

If they get their jollies from a persecution complex or from thinking my world resolves around them, there's not much more I can do.


Might this be at the core of certain types of persecution delusions? One imagines any negative reactions they receive to all be linked (because of course, that's the only reason I'd be mistreated regularly) and refuses to acknowledge any valid pushback against this belief, digging in further every time the topic comes up until they've antagonized enough people it seems like everyone is in on it.


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02 May 2023, 9:29 pm

It’s also handy in a way because it allows a person to constantly pass the blame rather than acknowledge any error/blunder/wrongdoing.



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02 May 2023, 9:30 pm

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It’s also handy in a way because it allows a person to constantly pass the blame rather than acknowledge any error/blunder/wrongdoing.


Indeed, there's two narcissistic traits in play; the world revolves around me and I'm blameless, it's always other people's fault.


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02 May 2023, 10:16 pm

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Secondly, ppl do lie.


Especially when their dirty laundry is revealed.

But the thing is, if someone is inventing an interaction entirely, it won't hit so close to home that it feels like a subliminal dig.

Subliminals (as they're known in hip-hop) only work when the person it's about knows it's true and that the details are accurate enough that people close to the situation will know what it's directly referencing.

It's hard to insist someone's lying when they've got screenshots of interactions though. In those instances one should probably just be thankful they were called out by actions only and not by name. In those instances, calling the person with the screenshots a liar is defamatory, while them referring to the interactions is not. That's what I meant by receipts - concrete evidence supporting their claims.

So yes, people lie, especially when their ego/reputation is threatened by open discussion of their misdeeds.


What on earth are you going on about?
If someone says something in a public forum, it is easy to search for the posts.
Hence, it would be stupid to lie about what they had written since ppl could supply proof.
"Curious". 8)



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02 May 2023, 10:33 pm

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If they're controlling how you feel by making everything about them then that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when someone genuinely feels worried or paranoid that you might be talking about them. If people are expressing guilt or anxiety by asking if it was because of something they had said that made me start a thread then it doesn't mean they're narcissists or making it about them.


If I understand what you are saying correctly, YOU feel anxious that you might have said something that others took offence at?

This could be an innate thing...
Or it could be a designed thing.

I have experienced many years of gang-stalking, online and in real life.
I know how groups can push individuals into paranoia.
I understand how some ppl can pervert the context of what has been said.
I understand how some ppl can deliberately misrepresent something that has been said.

BTW:
"It isn't paranoia if it is really happening." 8)



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02 May 2023, 10:37 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Secondly, ppl do lie.


Especially when their dirty laundry is revealed.

But the thing is, if someone is inventing an interaction entirely, it won't hit so close to home that it feels like a subliminal dig.

Subliminals (as they're known in hip-hop) only work when the person it's about knows it's true and that the details are accurate enough that people close to the situation will know what it's directly referencing.

It's hard to insist someone's lying when they've got screenshots of interactions though. In those instances one should probably just be thankful they were called out by actions only and not by name. In those instances, calling the person with the screenshots a liar is defamatory, while them referring to the interactions is not. That's what I meant by receipts - concrete evidence supporting their claims.

So yes, people lie, especially when their ego/reputation is threatened by open discussion of their misdeeds.



Always take screen shots, take video of your PMs or chat messages if you must so they cannot say you manipulated the images. I only blast things out in public if the other user lies when I mentioned it out in the open. I always take screen shots when someone wrongs me in case I need to blast it out in public if they lie. Your privacy stops being important when you harm others and lie about your actions and try to gaslight the situation.


Who doesn't? 8)



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02 May 2023, 10:57 pm

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Thing is some people were friends with this mod as well so I am sure the uncomfortable truth was hard for them so it was easier for them to side against me.


This is common on the web.
Human nature at work.
Some have greater integrity than others, however.

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This is why victims stay silent. Bullies tend to have more power than the victim, especially if they have friends so it gives them more power.


Indeed...

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This mod was the sort of person who was nice to most people and only nasty to selective users so it was easier for them to stay silent so it was easy for other users to discredit them. The bully can just tell their side and everyone will believe them because they are the mod. The whole thing was shocking and scary for me. They can also tell truths too and twist it.


Tell me about it. :roll:
This is straight out of "The Gang-Stalkers Manual". 8)

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This mod had also broken rules herself so it made her a hypocrite. I had a previous account, bad me. But she had an alt account too before. Hypocrite. There have been many other users here as well that have had previous accounts so by her logic, they all have to be trolls too and must be villainized for it as well. Many users here would talk about their fetishes so I would talk about mine and somehow I was the evil villain. Don't want me to talk about mine, enforce that rule on all users and lock every fetish thread then so no one is singled out. I never liked to be treated different and have double standards and I delt with this as a kid as well so I was shocked even autistic people can engage in this same bullying behavior.


Some ppl are allowed to embrace double standards...
And some are not. 8O

Great post. 8)



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02 May 2023, 10:58 pm

Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Secondly, ppl do lie.


Especially when their dirty laundry is revealed.

But the thing is, if someone is inventing an interaction entirely, it won't hit so close to home that it feels like a subliminal dig.

Subliminals (as they're known in hip-hop) only work when the person it's about knows it's true and that the details are accurate enough that people close to the situation will know what it's directly referencing.

It's hard to insist someone's lying when they've got screenshots of interactions though. In those instances one should probably just be thankful they were called out by actions only and not by name. In those instances, calling the person with the screenshots a liar is defamatory, while them referring to the interactions is not. That's what I meant by receipts - concrete evidence supporting their claims.

So yes, people lie, especially when their ego/reputation is threatened by open discussion of their misdeeds.


What on earth are you going on about?
If someone says something in a public forum, it is easy to search for the posts.
Hence, it would be stupid to lie about what they had written since ppl could supply proof.
"Curious". 8)



Problem is, many people are too lazy to do their own research and will just take your word for it.


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02 May 2023, 10:59 pm

Sometimes posts get deleted too, either by mods or by the person who wrote them.


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02 May 2023, 11:03 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Secondly, ppl do lie.


Especially when their dirty laundry is revealed.

But the thing is, if someone is inventing an interaction entirely, it won't hit so close to home that it feels like a subliminal dig.

Subliminals (as they're known in hip-hop) only work when the person it's about knows it's true and that the details are accurate enough that people close to the situation will know what it's directly referencing.

It's hard to insist someone's lying when they've got screenshots of interactions though. In those instances one should probably just be thankful they were called out by actions only and not by name. In those instances, calling the person with the screenshots a liar is defamatory, while them referring to the interactions is not. That's what I meant by receipts - concrete evidence supporting their claims.

So yes, people lie, especially when their ego/reputation is threatened by open discussion of their misdeeds.


What on earth are you going on about?
If someone says something in a public forum, it is easy to search for the posts.
Hence, it would be stupid to lie about what they had written since ppl could supply proof.
"Curious". 8)



Problem is, many people are too lazy to do their own research and will just take your word for it.


Jumping to conclusions is a bad habit many embrace, yes.



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02 May 2023, 11:04 pm

Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Secondly, ppl do lie.


Especially when their dirty laundry is revealed.


What on earth are you going on about?
If someone says something in a public forum, it is easy to search for the posts.
Hence, it would be stupid to lie about what they had written since ppl could supply proof.
"Curious". 8)


You seem to have forgotten that this was about people openly discussing private negative interactions, aka dirty laundry.

PEPE used GASLIGHT
It's not very effective...


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