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24 Mar 2008, 10:12 pm

I certainly don't agree with some of the things Danielismyname said his posts, but I can understand how he would take offense at the notion that the OP wishes for a death by cancer, I admit I was.

Cancer is a horrible, painful disease that puts many thousands of people and their families through terrible ordeals. To "wish" for it and treat it as if it is a positive or a more preferable outcome can really hurt the feelings of people who had to have witnessed loved ones die of cancer and shows an ignorance of how bad it really is.

Graelwyn, be thankful that you do not have cancer and can sort out your life if you just apply yourself. You keep "forgetting" appointments with your therapist; that's not an excuse. Write yourself notes, set an alarm clock, or whatever, just make sure you are able to get assistance for what you are going through, I don't know what you think people on a forum will be able to do.

This thread has really been on my mind, which is odd when you think that I am a complete stranger who knows the people here from only a few lines of text, but I really hope you, Graelwyn, take some initiative with getting better. I don't want to see you end up hurt or unhappy.


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24 Mar 2008, 10:18 pm

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Have a look in the darkness, and you might just see light there.


We all do care about you Graelwyn. I second Cockney Rebel's hug too. You'll feel better, I'm sure!


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25 Mar 2008, 12:09 am

Danielismyname is probably right and death is the only way for me to ever be free.

Obviously a sh**ty bad person for wishing I had cancer.

I researched the methods before christmas.
So I have no excuse to still be here wasting peoples' time and energy.



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25 Mar 2008, 1:34 am

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Danielismyname is probably right and death is the only way for me to ever be free.

Obviously a sh**ty bad person for wishing I had cancer.

I researched the methods before christmas.
So I have no excuse to still be here wasting peoples' time and energy.


I was in a similar position myself.

I felt that going to see a psychologist was equivalent to cutting off my own balls. But since I was convinced that I would end up killing myself otherwise, I saw someone eventually. They are not great but not bad either. I now feel, at times anyway, that I can realistically hope to meet someone. (I've been weight training to the point that I now get stares from women here and there. My problem now is growing the balls to talk to them and hope that they'll see through my issues. I should probably go for the ones that have issues themselves; they'd probably understand me better anyway.)

I'm not completely out of the hole, though. In a fit of rage I promised myself that I would commit "self-slaughter" in a bit under a decade from now if things don't improve. Hopefully I won't have to.


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25 Mar 2008, 2:31 am

Can people please stop arguing? Danielismyname hasn't said anything hurtful since his first post. I don't see the point in people continuing to argue with him here.

Also, can we just ignore all the insulting “your not fat, stop whining” posts from now on? If people don’t put any thought into their comments they should just be ignored. Why feed idiot trolls who make trite thoughtless comments?

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25 Mar 2008, 5:06 am

marshall wrote:
Can people please stop arguing? Danielismyname hasn't said anything hurtful since his first post. I don't see the point in people continuing to argue with him here.

Also, can we just ignore all the insulting “your not fat, stop whining” posts from now on? If people don’t put any thought into their comments they should just be ignored. Why feed idiot trolls who make trite thoughtless comments?

:roll: :evil:


I wasn't arguing. I just wanted him to shut the hell up and stop his unprovoked attacks on me, after my repeated assertions that I had no intention of entering into a pointless argument with him. I’m entitled to the opinion that her is a brainless distended air filled bladder-on-a-stick, and there is f**k all he or anyone else can do about it. I won't be reading his posts anymore.


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25 Mar 2008, 5:23 am

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I think that it is dificult that people are asking for empathy in a population where people struggle with it... unfortunately some people will come up with some very insensitive responses.

I dont really view Daniel as a monster though, I think that he is just very disconnected from other people. I remember making some incredibly hurtful and insensitive comments to people in the past that were of a similar nature, so I dont feel I can judge him.. though I had much to learn about other people and their feelings and I tried hard to learn accordingly.

When I see suicidal threads I sometimes secretly empathise with the thoughts, though I would not actually encourage the poster, in case they decided to listen to me! I think the best thing to do is to not give up on life, though it can be arduous.

Graelwyn,, I think ultimately people on this board would rather you would decide to live. I have wanted to end my life many times. Actually one of the things that kept my holding on to life was worrying about the pain i would leave behind. One thing suicidal people dont realise is the incredible impact they would have on the emotions of people around them if they ended their life.

I have often felt unpopular and unloved, but as my mother said to me, sometimes people can like and care about you and admire you, and you might have no idea....

I know people who have committed suicide and they have left unbelievable pain behind amongst people they didnt think loved them. I wonder if they know now.


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25 Mar 2008, 5:44 am

Aridarr wrote:
...stop his unprovoked attacks on me,...


Gladly point out where I've actually attacked anyone.

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...many of those who want to live is cowardice, selfishness and morally reprehensible.


This is the only thing that can be construed as such if you look at it sideways and full of emotion.

This isn't an attack on a person, this is a debate over a moral standpoint; I, respect those who hold death so close, and I don't wish for their disease, if I want to die, I'll use my own hands.



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25 Mar 2008, 6:21 am

Graelwyn wrote:
I am not anorexic, I would weigh a lot less if I was and a size uk 8 would be loose, not fitted.

36 inches hips is fat.

Body is all I am anyway, no-one sees the inside, what does the inside matter? I have nothing left inside.

We are no-one unless we are known and loved.

If we are not loved or noted we do not exist.

So why exist physically?
Umm, all anorexic women say they are not anorexic. Good luck.


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25 Mar 2008, 6:47 am

Personally, i like taking up a lot of space in the world, if not physically, then certainly on a social level.

There will always be people who contest my existence, or my right to be who I am. That will never change.

Graelwyn, I really mean it when I say that many, many more people care about whether you exist or not than you think.


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25 Mar 2008, 11:17 am

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I now feel as if, each time I post, I will be thought to not be listening or not be trying.

Like some expect me to just flick a switch and for this all to suddenly disappear and leave me the more carefree, helpful, spiritual person I used to be.

I am so aware at times of how absurd and how wasteful these obsessions are and I sit looking at other people around and out, larger women, happy as they are, not caring...slim women, probably not too fussed, and here is me so damn caught up that I even check the material on my stretch jeans and panic cos it has gotten thinner round my butt!

It is like I want myself to suffer constantly and not have any happiness.

I wish I had someone who is more normal and rational around me to fire questions at when an obsessive compulsive thought takes over and upsets me

But how would any more 'normal' person react if I asked them 'is it normal for stretch denim to go thinner round your butt?'.

It sounds absurd even to me, yet it is one of the things that has been driving me to distraction tonight.

I know only I and maybe a professional, can help me, but given I am so isolated in my real life... I really do not have anyone I can talk to about this as I have absolutely no contacts I can call etc.... it is nice to be able to share here as well.

And I thank people for being understanding and tolerant and for not calling me stupid or telling me to get a life and grow up etc.

I wish more than anything I could flick a switch and no longer obsess or give a damn about my physical self beyond being healthy but I cannot seem to positive think my way past this.

The breaks I get are when I sit in cafes with my coffee where i cannot measure and check and weigh and study my body and when I am out walking for hours.

I will go on medication when I get to see a shrink who will find me a medication that will not exacerbate one issue or another. I have thyroid issues and I have lung disease(COPD) on top of these mental issues.


I don’t think you’re being stupid or unreasonable. It isn’t really a matter of logic or reason that you should or shouldn’t be concerned about something that seems so trivial to the majority of people. It isn’t something you can just think your way out of in a snap.

I’ve dealt with obsessive thoughts myself. People who don’t have them can’t really understand. I realize how isolated it makes one feel. I think I can understand why you would say that you'd rather have a physical disease. Then at least people would sympathize rather than judge you for it. You don’t need to judge yourself for it either.

You aren't wasting anyones time here. People choose to listen to you because they care and want you to get better.

Does it help at all to remember the times in your life when you weren’t concerned over these obsessions? I think it should at least give you hope that the mental state you’re in isn’t permanent.



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25 Mar 2008, 7:58 pm

Graelwyn wrote:
Danielismyname is probably right and death is the only way for me to ever be free.

NO NO NO NO NO! I have a friend with OCD, and although she struggles everyday, she has learned to deal with it. I know you can figure this out, please keep on going to your therapy sessions (they really help when you open yourself) and just keep yourself alive. Do it for me if you don't think you're worthwhile enough. I've had to do that several times myself, as depression is so gripping. Just think how you would feel if I or another friend of yours killed themselves, even if they didn't blame you. You would probably feel badly and feel extremely sad. You don't want to do that with your family though, right?
I wish you all the best. I'm going to try to avoid this board now, as I am getting extremely upset with some of the members (in other words, one member) on here who I think have NO morals. A bit of a personal attack, but oh well.



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25 Mar 2008, 8:34 pm

graelwyn, I had OCD one time, but I took medication for it. I htink that is what is causing you to be irritated by your body. You hsould go check out some OCD meds they will porably help you.



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25 Mar 2008, 9:45 pm

There is just no end to it, I stand in certain positions and my skin wrinkles up on my buttock and it sags.

I dont know if this happens to everyone if they lean over sideways and backwards slightly and look down at themselves, but I just feel like stopping eating now.



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25 Mar 2008, 10:05 pm

Graelwyn wrote:
There is just no end to it, I stand in certain positions and my skin wrinkles up on my buttock and it sags.

I dont know if this happens to everyone if they lean over sideways and backwards slightly and look down at themselves, but I just feel like stopping eating now.


It is OCD try some medication and if you do no like it go off it after a few weeks. It will not make you gain any weight (as far as I know) either so that is also a plus.



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25 Mar 2008, 11:36 pm

I had anorexia nervosa for a few years immediately after leaving high school, and no matter how skinny I was, I was always fat.

If you have an obsessive concern over your weight and appearance, it's usually that rather than OCD; obsessively exercising is another sign.

OCD would apply to weight in that you'd have a fear of gaining or losing weight for something bad will happen if you do one of those, so you'll compulsively eat, or not, to relieve anxiety.

O, and ebec11, I'd prefer it if you mention my name if you're talking about me; hiding behind ambiguity doesn't make what you say any more sound or just, it's just one of those cowardly things people do for they fear reprisal.