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06 Apr 2010, 2:28 am

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ooo great It is 11PM and I just go online to look at one of your links pumibel and I hear laughing next door then I refreash the page to see if anybody has written back to my last post and I get a stomp next door. am I crazy that these patterns happen?

You will be experiencing hyper-vigilence because of the state of fear you are in. Your brain will attune to all stimulus and link it to the perceived danger. It's an evolutionary response that was much more useful when humans lived a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
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Why are they doing this? Why do they have to keep watching me. There has been no trial so why? I havent skipped on any bail or anything like that. why is it that they are still watching me so closely.

They are not watching you closely. They are unlikely to have any way to know that you were going on line or that you refreshed a page on the internet.



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06 Apr 2010, 5:13 am

It's 6am here, so it must be 3am in Oregon. I hope you're sleeping a refreshing, restoring sleep.

btw remember what i said about the Risperdal & Celexa bottles? Please also do the same for the other 2 meds that you mentioned after.

Darrell, you're not dangerous to yourself or others, so nobody's going to force you to go to a hospital or try to keep you there. The reason to go is this: you are miserable and terrified. If you go to a hospital you will not be miserable or terrified any more. And that is the truth.

You are very sick, and you don't realize it. Once my brother ran a temperature of 105F - the doctor came and my brother tried to fight him off. He had advanced double pneumonia, so he didn't fight for long, and then the doc gave him a shot of antibiotics. In an hour his temperature was down to 102F. He recovered normally. Mom thought it was a miracle.

Darrell, what would you do if you had been taking care of my brother? He was sick but he didn't believe it, and that's why it went on so long. We didn't want to mess with his free will - but isn't there a limit? Were we supposed to let him believe he wasn't sick until he was dead?

Will you do as I ask, Darrell? You could be back in a few hours and the terror will be gone.



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06 Apr 2010, 11:51 am

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HelloMeD wrote:
ooo great It is 11PM and I just go online to look at one of your links pumibel and I hear laughing next door then I refreash the page to see if anybody has written back to my last post and I get a stomp next door. am I crazy that these patterns happen?

You will be experiencing hyper-vigilence because of the state of fear you are in. Your brain will attune to all stimulus and link it to the perceived danger. It's an evolutionary response that was much more useful when humans lived a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
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Why are they doing this? Why do they have to keep watching me. There has been no trial so why? I havent skipped on any bail or anything like that. why is it that they are still watching me so closely.

They are not watching you closely. They are unlikely to have any way to know that you were going on line or that you refreshed a page on the internet.


Yeah, your mind is trying to work all of this out, and you are sensitive to what is going on, tying it all to what you have been thinking. Those people could be just laughing and stomping because they are watching something funny. In fact, that is exactly what a lot of people do when something is very funny on tv- they laugh and stomp.

Once you understand that no one is after you these things will not bother you, and you will wont associate random noises to your fears at all. I am still pushing for you to get to a hospital, too. You really need to go. You will feel so much better and life will be much less threatening if you go, believe me.



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06 Apr 2010, 1:23 pm

all they can do in the hospital is give you meds an watch you. nothing else. Im already taking meds and people watching me creeps me out.



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06 Apr 2010, 3:10 pm

Ok so I have woke up and I am a little freaked. I keep dreaming about things that I have heard people say. I know that You cant have a trial behind peoples back but somthing is going on I know it. I dont know what it is. I feel that They have that punishment lined up for me. I hope that there is hope. I keep trying to understand why my mother wont talk about things and why it is that things havent been transparent. I dont get it. why? if they wanted me to do somthing than they should have told me what they wanted and what whould happen if I ddint. I didnt know what the consequences where and I still dont for not doing what they wanted. I just hope that I am not going for fourty years.



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06 Apr 2010, 3:50 pm

So far nothing you have describe would be considered a crime. Please go to a hospital and get some help.


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06 Apr 2010, 4:50 pm

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So far nothing you have describe would be considered a crime. Please go to a hospital and get some help.
nothing I am capible of saying so far is a crime. If I am not going to prison but they are preparing a court case for me i shouldent talk details. seeing that most of you have shown that they generally dont have a court case beihind your back I feel safer. but that puts things into the there going to try a case against me. I dont know exactly what they are going to do or have done. but i have still heard people talk. it upsets me and confuses me to think that you cannot have a trial behind somones back and at the same time I have heard just that.



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06 Apr 2010, 5:10 pm

They absolutely CANNOT have or even think about preparing a trial behind your back. The Constitution of the United States clearly forbids this and NOBODY in the legal profession is going to even attempt to make an end run around it because they know they will lose. Please go to a hospital, the law cannot touch you there.


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06 Apr 2010, 5:26 pm

I'm awake too Darrell - for a while, anyway. I wonder if you think I'm the picture of good health - I'm healthy but no very strong. I'm falling asleep again even as I type this.

Darrell I think I know what's wrong with your mother. It's despair. She's tried and tried but she's still a mother who can't fix her son. That's a terrible thing to happen to a mother.

I can't stop yawning - be back in a few minutes.



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06 Apr 2010, 6:12 pm

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They absolutely CANNOT have or even think about preparing a trial behind your back. The Constitution of the United States clearly forbids this and NOBODY in the legal profession is going to even attempt to make an end run around it because they know they will lose. Please go to a hospital, the law cannot touch you there.


I mean what if they are Going to charge me with somthing soon and those people saying things know about it.. then things could be simialer to what they have said.



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06 Apr 2010, 6:23 pm

I have to mention that I have lived for the past couple of days on the hope that all of you have provided me. thank you.



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06 Apr 2010, 6:47 pm

You need to forget about the trial and also the "crime" as they are both likely delusions. Because people fear stuff like this happening, it comes out in mental illness as if it were real.

Don't entertain the idea, you can't rationalise when you mind is disordered like this.

Going through your earlier posts you have a history of paranoid thoughts, involving a variety of situations. And the situations are not following any consistent history, but are episodic in nature. One prevailing fact is these people wouldn't know who you are let alone want to do anything to you. So take comfort in the fact you are safe. Nobody has that much attention on them, unless they are courting attention. That is not you. In isolation you don't have knowledge of what is going on in the outside world so your imagination with fill in that blanks due to primal fear, it is mental illness that makes you think it is real when it isn't.

Take care, recuperate, you are safe.



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06 Apr 2010, 7:03 pm

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I mean what if they are Going to charge me with somthing soon and those people saying things know about it.. then things could be simialer to what they have said.

They are not. When the police investigate a matter they actually do not release much information about it to people as this can prejudice the investigation. The people you think told you these things would not receive the information you believe they have told you. Neither the police nor the courts would give them this information. They simply would not have any way of knowing the things you think they have told you. In fact even the police and courts cannot predict whether or not a jury will even choose to convict as that lies in the hands of 12 people who are not selected until the trial commences.

You should go to the hospital as they will likely make adjustments to your medication. Inform them of the side effects you described in this thread as any shrivelling of your testes is not intended and other medication that does not have this effect can be prescribed instead. Since you already believe you are being watched by your neighbours and random people passing your window you will be no worse off in that sense as at least you will know exactly who is watching you and why they are watching you when in hospital (it will be health practitioners watching you for the purpose of delivering health care services to you). If you really think this trial business is likely to happen in the future having sought help at the hospital is likely to help your case as it will demonstrate that your health is fragile and may deter the prosecution from seeking excessively harsh penalities. If you are as stressed out as you describe, then you should definately go to the hospital as they can help with extreme anxiety.



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06 Apr 2010, 7:08 pm

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I have to mention that I have lived for the past couple of days on the hope that all of you have provided me. thank you.


Thank you so much, Darrell, that means a lot to me. We can offer you more than hope, Darrell. We can offer you certitude of safety. As a matter of fact, I am offering it now - Go to the hospital.

There's nothing rational going on, so I can't try to reason, I can only beg - go to the hospital!

And when you get back in a few hours, tell me all about it. Honest, if Montreal wasn't so far from Oregon I'd stomp over there and carry you to the hospital. And stay and hold your hand.

Darrell - do you see that there are people here who care about you? Do you see how helpless we are? Only *you* can do this. Please please please go to hospital!



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06 Apr 2010, 7:19 pm

I don't agree that "legal advice" of this non trial will help him. Anxiety doesn't have to consider the details merely the subject. Yes a deductive approach can sometime help with minor anxiety, but when someone is having paranoid delusions they are not in the frame of mind to do deductive or other logic. The important thing is he knows he is safe, and nothing is going to happen to him.

HelloMeD, what I suggest when you have these thoughts try an blank them out as best you can, but disrupting them and using distractions. Don't use anything that has any kind of story to it. Do something simple like repeating a number, focusing on the sensation on the end of your nose, or a calming stim. This is just to help you in the mean time, I would go to the hospital or ask someone to admit you to one.



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06 Apr 2010, 8:05 pm

my posts about people following me and about my naibor being a stalker is because they where watching me. They where watching me for the police who would follow me thinking that whene i take a walk I would be sizing up childeren in the neiborhood and they wanted evedence that I was a threat. i was not doing that and the case for the naibor monitoring me it was cause I had porn on my computer and they where watching me download tell they had enough evedence they could put me away for longer if they wished. that is what i have come to the concluseion. I mean come on if you typed somthing on the desktop of your computer and not online somthing extreamly hostile to them and they react then what.