I Have a Prayer request

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Thanks to technology, we can forward those thoughts and prayers by IM and e-mail to jaguars fan...who can then pass them along to grandfather. Some people would rather have prayer than gifts, y'know. Maybe we should ASK jaguars fan what's best.

Your grandma's husband is in excellent hands, hospice is a wonderful organization, and I had the privledge of working with them twice. I will diffinatley keep you and your family in my prayers.My husband and I was with a family who's son in law was dying at a hospice and stayed with them untill his death. I was so impressed with hospice that I actually applied for a job as a chaplain with them, I didn't get the job, but thats ok, they know where to find me. What I liked so much with hospice is they treat the families and their patients with such dignity and respect and do all they can to assist and grant their wishes.They are non-judgemental in their work with these people. I was in awe of them. Emp your post was viscious,selfish and so cruel, all you care about is your own aggenda. Jaguar-fan simply asked for prayer, not your opinion. You remind me of that group of so-called baptist (They were disfellowshipped by the baptist organization) who protest the funerals of soldiers who died overseas, you are right up their alley. So much like them. Shame on you for being so self centered.

Actually Wesboro was never associated with any other Baptist organization if I'm not mistaken. I'm always surprized that that group has managed to go around milatary funeral's with signs like Thank God For Dead Soldiers, Thank God For 9/11, Thank God For Hurricane Katrina,elc and not get shot at or even have someone pulled the I lost control of my car bid on them.

BTW Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers.

Emp, there's a time and place for this sort of discussion and it's definitely not here. We understand that your reasoning is sound, but all you're doing by posting such messages here is boosting your own ego, and if you deny that that's your intent you're fooling nobody. If you want to continue to talk about this, do it in the Philosophy forum.

jaguars_fan, my thoughts will be with you and your grandma's husband, and I hope you and your family will make it through this ordeal.

EXCELLENT. DO IT. I applaud you.

If you do that, then you ARE doing something meaningful and truly nice. A genuine display of humanity.

Whereas if you just think the thoughts to yourself (praying), that is a shallow pretense of being nice. A false display of humanity.

Humanity Emp???? Where's your humanity?

I'll pray for you before Bed, each Night and in my Dreams.

I agree with Emp. How does it matter whether I pray or not? If there is a god, which there most certainly is not, he is no longer listening to me. And since I am going off of the fact that there is no god, what good does praying do? I'm going to ask an invisible man in the sky to help her live? Isn't his divine wish for her to die? Otherwise, he could stop something. He is all seeing, is he not? So he must see her dieing, and not care enough to save her. So praying would do no good even if there was some god. Having her in my thoughts would be an empty gesture, as she can not read my thoughts. So basically, nothing we could do would be worth a crap other than to get her a nice gift or a fair amount of morphine. I think she would appreciate the latter much more.

I agree with Emp. How does it matter whether I pray or not? If there is a god, which there most certainly is not, he is no longer listening to me. And since I am going off of the fact that there is no god, what good does praying do? I'm going to ask an invisible man in the sky to help her live? Isn't his divine wish for her to die? Otherwise, he could stop something. He is all seeing, is he not? So he must see her dieing, and not care enough to save her. So praying would do no good even if there was some god. Having her in my thoughts would be an empty gesture, as she can not read my thoughts. So basically, nothing we could do would be worth a crap other than to get her a nice gift or a fair amount of morphine. I think she would appreciate the latter much more.

I agree with Emp. How does it matter whether I pray or not? If there is a god, which there most certainly is not, he is no longer listening to me. And since I am going off of the fact that there is no god, what good does praying do? I'm going to ask an invisible man in the sky to help her live? Isn't his divine wish for her to die? Otherwise, he could stop something. He is all seeing, is he not? So he must see her dieing, and not care enough to save her. So praying would do no good even if there was some god. Having her in my thoughts would be an empty gesture, as she can not read my thoughts. So basically, nothing we could do would be worth a crap other than to get her a nice gift or a fair amount of morphine. I think she would appreciate the latter much more.

Obviously you have no clue how to assist people when they are grieving........YOU FOLLOW THEIR LEAD. He didn't ask for an opinion, just for prayer, you don't have to even respond. This was not about you, it was a need Jaguarsfan expressed. Why put him down for it just because you desagree? It brought him no comfort.

Ok then, I'll lie. If bull****ing others will make them happier, why don't we lie to everyone? We can tell the war widows that their husbands didn't die after all. Global warming will lead to better vacations! India and Pakistan have been playing a fun little war game this whole time! Is this what you want? I'm not going to ease the blow on someone by lieing to them. And what "need" is this? He doesn't need for me to think anything. I see absolutely no "need" for me to pray. I don't believe in god. This is a want that Jaguarsfan expressed; for people to agree with his point of view and give him comfort in a time in which he would like it. And that is understandable. I do feel sorry for people with dieing relatives, having lost my own grandfather 5 years ago. But I didn't need for anyone to think anything about him. I saw people leading perfectly normal lives while I was grieving. This is the world we live in. Someone dies, a few notice, and after a while life goes on. Should I have asked random bystanders on the street to join some group prayer? Would that have been even remotely acceptable? Of course not. Thus, I see no reason for me to join in this prayer thing so that your invisible man can witness the deed he hath brought unto someone. But in the spirit of easing blows, I shall lie. I am praying for her every second of every minute of every day. As such, I haven't eaten in a week. I have also robbed several banks in order to get her treatment. I could donate several organs. There, was that more along the lines of what you expected?

Why would you even respond then? He wasn't looking for a debate. A simple request. People who believe in God are allowed on this forum, just as much as you are. Why even respond? Did it make him feel better? Where you concerend for his well being? Obviously not. I don't respond to alot of threads here because I know that some people are just trying to pick a fight. So I don't even go threre. I could, but I'm not a troll. I hope you never ever go to a funeral, you'd probably yell at everyone who was being comforted by the eulogy.

Yes, because that wasn't trolling. I disagree with being told to commit some act of religion, and being shoved away when I voice my dissent at doing such. I told you that I understand what he's going through. I had my grandfather go through a slow and painful death from a car accident. The injuries eventually led to a heart attack after he was incapcitated for several years. To say that I am some monster that does nothing but hurt the feelings of others is incredibly foolish, misled, and fairly callous. I just don't like people saying in an open audiance that I should have some religious spirit for a woman being killed by your god. Next time one of my relatives die, I'll go into the street and organize a good old fashioned Zoroastrian prayer. See how people like it.

He simply asked, whats wrong with that? Pray to who you want. Noone was expecting you to do what you don't want to do. This was so not about you. Get over yourself.

And by the way I am sorry for your lost.You handle your lost in a way that comforts you. I wouldn't expect it any other way. But don't make others a victim of your misery, thats just not fair.