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16 Dec 2010, 7:47 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:

You think I'm going to be a hero? "Hero" is a dead word, because they're aren't any. Only you and the villains.

I didn't say you'd be a hero. I'm saying that you need to take your head out of the sand. Find the fire that which binds you and makes you, you.

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16 Dec 2010, 7:50 pm

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An individual's self-worth comes from God, their ability to reflect His Attributes (e.g. Kindness, Compassion, Mercy, Knowledge), and their capacity to Love Him. Attaching regard to anything else, be it money, popularity, etc. then the self-esteem suffers, because ultimately none of these things are permanent or endure. The Love of God is the one thing nobody can ever seize from a person or infringe upon.

You know, proselytizing to someone who's already claimed agnosticism isn't exactly in the religious cult handbook, as far as I know. :roll:

And debating religion with someone who may well be suicidal is only antagonistic. I believe somewhere in the recruitment section it says something about fostering mutual respect, focusing on shared beliefs and being a living example of the principles of the faith.

By the way, I happen to be a practicing member of a religious organization, I just don't believe that trying to cram pizza down the throat of someone who insists they're not hungry is particularly nice (or smart or good or wise or decent), no matter how starving they appear to be. Just sayin'.

RaquiGirl - good points well made (although I think you need to look up the word proselytizing). I just think the lasting solution to such problems ultimately has to go deeper than just reassurance and good-wishes, as these may treat the temporary symptoms of unhappiness, but they can't effect an enduring solution to prevent their re-occurrence.

There are too many people on anti-depressants when in reality depression can be a wonderful thing as it tells us something is wrong and encourages us to seek solutions; treating only symptoms instead of the underlying ailment isn't a good thing.

Maybe it isn't timely or appropriate to bring this up (hey, I have AS, it's something I need to work on), but I would encourage anyone who feels crappy to really ask themselves why and to begin making changes to their life to set things right. Being assured that there is a Loving God who cares deeply about each of us is a good thing for somebody who feels like this. I know, because I've been there too, and know how it feels. I wouldn't have bothered contributing to this thread if I didn't care. You may have a different opinion of how to help, and you're free to express it, as I am free to express mine.

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16 Dec 2010, 8:11 pm

Combo wrote:

There are too many people on anti-depressants when in reality depression can be a wonderful thing as it tells us something is wrong and encourages us to seek solutions...

Other people's misery helps others? I detect schadenfreude.

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Being assured that there is a Loving God who cares deeply about each of us is a good thing for somebody who feels like this.

I thought I said to keep God out of this.

RG, what "plan" are you talking about? Me sitting on my ass and bitching?

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16 Dec 2010, 8:16 pm

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Normally, I let things slide. And normally, things don't bother me. But this is really bothering me. When I was in the same boat as Gift I had so many friends telling me how precious life was, and think about God.
Its a cop out. That doesn't solve problems, it hides problems.

STFU about God. He doesn't exist, he never existed, and you're just hiding the problems you have. GTFO, of this thread and go preach somewhere else.

Thank you.

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16 Dec 2010, 8:22 pm

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Quoted. For. Truth.

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16 Dec 2010, 8:28 pm

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Quoted. For. Truth.

Sorry about that Gift.

Just know, at least for the holidays, I'm here all day and any day.

If you need someone to rant and vent too, I'll be willing to hear you out. As said you remind me a lot like myself when I was young.

Sometimes what we need is someone who is willing to listen. And not a therapist, sometimes they try to give advice. But I mean a real person you can just emotionally released on.

I wouldn't mind being that person. As long as it gives you some way of venting.

I think another issue is probably that a lot in our lives or least mine, I was laughed at by family a lot. They didn't think I had a problem. And they hounded on me. So, I will be a person who won't hound, just someone who will listen.

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16 Dec 2010, 9:13 pm

Pandora Box, you're worse than an ignorant physician, quick to dismiss the true remedy, whilst all the while prescribing your own erroneous remedy which only aggravates the symptoms.

Giftorcurse, you probably need Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and a lot of prayer.

PS Pandora_Box, God loves you.

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16 Dec 2010, 9:25 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:

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There are too many people on anti-depressants when in reality depression can be a wonderful thing as it tells us something is wrong and encourages us to seek solutions...

Other people's misery helps others? I detect schadenfreude.

Giftorcurse, I meant it tells us (i.e. the person feeling depressed). In other words, if you try to pinpoint what makes you feel unhappy you'll start to see ways of mending the situation.

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16 Dec 2010, 9:57 pm

Combo wrote:

Um, the OP has already told you that he is NOT interested in your religious stuff. Pandora_Box was merely telling you to leave him alone with it. This is the haven, where people come for support. It does not help someone who is depressed to repeatedly hear religious stuff that they don't believe in. I know. I'm agnostic and I'm depressed. I don't particularly mind people mentioning their beliefs when I think the person is sincere, but I get the impression there is some degree of pushiness and maybe even trolling going on. Now cut it out.

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16 Dec 2010, 10:19 pm

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My remedy is basically that, in our lives we have something called recourse. When we don't have recourse we lash out in other ways. Becuase the Op feels they have no recourse they believe it better they died. So if they have someone to talk to, then they can let something out and won't feel the need for recourse.

PS God doesn't exist.

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17 Dec 2010, 1:35 am

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Man i'll say this much, if the OP doesn't want God mentioned in his topic, thats for him to say. But this is just flat out disrespectful for no real reason. You could've gotten the message across without cussing at him about it.

Btw i'm agnostic and I see that as being out of line not that it makes any difference.

As for OP, not to condescend but i'll be real, when I was 16 there were no heroes, life was worthless and not much mattered to me. I won't tell you it'll definitely get better (It can) but there's a lot of delicate stuff going on at that age hormonally. Aspergers/HFA is hard to deal with, Life is hard to deal with, being a teen is also.

Maybe you can talk to someone about what specifically got you so depressed last year.

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17 Dec 2010, 3:46 am

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But this is just flat out disrespectful for no real reason. You could've gotten the message across without cussing at him about it.

The Op asked the person twice to not mention God. I do not think those who disrespect others deserve respect. You earn respect you aren't given it. He disrespected the OP three times.

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17 Dec 2010, 6:43 am

@Pandora

Gift. No one on WP has ever called me that.

Can't post right now. Another thing, no one posts anything until I come back this afternoon, alright?

P.S. Tell Combo to stay away.

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17 Dec 2010, 7:11 am

I have told Combo to respect your wish and not to post in this thread any more.

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17 Dec 2010, 3:54 pm

I go to other people for help regularly, and they say the same old stuff. There are two sides of me. One side wants help, the other doesn't. The latter side refuses assistance because it feels that I am beyond help.

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17 Dec 2010, 4:10 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:

Gift, I know how that feels I really do.

People don't seem to understand that the same old stuff just doesn't work with this kind of situation. They seem to not understand at all that maybe what worked for them won't work for you.

We're all different people and we all have different ways of handling things. And the same old stuff isn't always the most helpful.

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