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For what that lady did, I think she either lost her balance from drinkng (if she was bent all the way over with her hands on the floor) or if she was just sort of squatting, then she was just dropping it. It can be seen as flirting. Or just silly fun.

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I'm giving it another shot. We will see.
My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA.

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Consider yourself very lucky that you have a wife and that she has stuck around for 16 years. I only wish I had someone close to me like that. Who cares if the whole world loves and understands you as long as you have at least someone that loves and understands you. A lot of people dream of having that and never get it.

I can relate. I often feel miserable too because all I want is to be normal and have natural social skills. I even wish I were more chatty, and could engage in a conversation without panicking what to say next. Then I start getting all upset because depressing thoughts go through my mind like ''why does it have to be me? Why couldn't I just been normal like everyone else around me? What did I do to deserve this extra s**t?''

I even panic when I think back to my schooldays, because I didn't have what you would call friends. I may of had friends on and off, but I wasn't as accepted as I typically would have been if I was NT. I didn't really mix in school, I wasn't invited to many birthday parties, I never had friends back to my house, I was never invited to friend's houses, and I never got to hang out with friends after school when I got to a teenager, like most normal teenagers like to do. Well, I remember going up the town once with 2 friends after school (one really hot afternoon), but they disappeared off when I went into a shop (and they promised they'll wait outside for me), and I spent about half an hour wondering around looking for them, and suddenly saw them on the other side of the road. I crossed the road, and they said that they called me ages ago, but I didn't believe that one bit. They probably just wanted to hang out together because I socially wasn't good enough to be with them.

If only I were born NT with everybody else - I'd be so much more accepted through school. Instead I was delibrately left out by others, and was expected to put up with it. This goes to show that there was no empathy for me whatsoever. It's so hurtful when I think about it.

Oh, and I do have trouble at social events too. I don't say two words to anyone unless I get spoken to specifically, even then I usually only saw 1-word answers, like ''yeah'' and ''no''. I bet I sound really nervous too, although I try to smile and laugh a lot and look relaxed. I doubt it really works.

I remember about 2 years ago when I went on a Christmas meal with the people at the charity shop where I volunteered. It was evening, and someone was going to get the same bus as me to go home, which was handy because I wouldn't have to walk alone in the dark and the ice. But suddenly another woman (who knew us both the same) looked at woman 1 and offered to give her a lift. Woman 2 had to drive through my town to get home so she wouldn't go out of her way if she also gave me a lift home, not that I was expecting a lift home but I didn't like the thought of having to walk to the bus stop all on my own in the dark (being so the place we were has a bad reputation and often plenty of bags are snatched there, so I was at risk of that happening to me). Woman 2 looked at me and said, ''I would give you a lift too, but there's a lot of stuff in the back seats''. I had a feeling she was lying because I've seen her car before and it's a big car with plenty of room, although it might have been genuine but I wasn't too sure. And when I went, nobody asked if I would be all right or offered to perhaps even walk with my half-way or anything, they didn't seem to care about me at all. So I had to walk to the bus stop all on my own, in the dark, with ice on the ground and gangs of youngsters walking about. That was the last time I go places with the people from the voluntary job again.

That's what you get for being unpopular. You get forgotten, and everyone thinks that just because you don't talk that much or you sound weird if you do talk, it means you needn't be noticed or cared about. At least I can think of all the nice people who have had good intentions for me. I'm not asking for the world to kiss my feet or put themselves out to care about me. I just want the same respect as the average person should get.

I know exaclty how you feel. In every social situation that I am in, i feel the same way. What helps for me is to hang out with people who are on the same wave length as you are that way you do not feel so isolated. I am part of the anime/cosplay/phoography/enginnering/IT croud and I am finding plenty of opertunity looking to be more socialy accepted my my peers. I avoid chistmas parties all together. If i have such a hard time getting along with them at work, than what is the point of getting along with them when everyone is high on alcohol and thier libido is in 6th gear?

I feel the pain always. What I wouldn't do to just come home at night with out thinking horrible thoughts to myself. I was raised by NTs so there for I should be one. I dont see anything that can be pleasant about having something that makes me miserable. In fact the only thing I have been honest about is my name and I cant remember the last time I told the truth about my real life. The things I wanted to do were harder.

Don't bother with they collective. You have a wife (I hope you like her and she likes you) what do "they" say? "Make her your world". Focus on those tho care about you and don't bother forcing yourself to song and dance if it's not your cup of tea.
Or maybe you want to experience all of those things that your co-workers do and let them selves say. In that case you need to create your own way of expressing those actions that you envy.

It's nice and relaxing to be silly sometimes. And the woman who gave you that look is a coward, if you're doing something like that in a public space you need to have the confidence to back your actions not try turning it on onlookers who did not chose to see it and were surprised when they did. She's a clown.

Have a nice life.

Bai bai.