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06 Feb 2007, 9:19 pm

Oh for sure. With AS, sooner or later you realise that you're different. With autism, people are oblivious to how the world sees them.



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19 Mar 2007, 1:01 pm

Are we sure that classic-autistics aren't aware of their own social rejection? I mean on an emotional level. There was a study where it was observed that a newborn given food, water, changing, etc, but no hugging, died. Classic-autistics may know, and feel STRONGLY, that something important is missing, which is a lack of acceptance and love from others -- but they may not know WHAT that something is. Nevertheless, it still hurts as bad.

There are pluses and minuses to them both. Would you rather be in the Matrix, or take on the unpleasant task of escaping from it? That's just a loose analogy, but is ignorance really bliss, or a coma?



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20 Mar 2007, 8:28 am

There is the fact that Autes are recognized young and everything from then on is low expectations so the ability to do small thing is a big thing they get prased. i don't know about the rest of aspies but all my life it was why cant u do these things, anything u managed was not celebrated it was greeted with a comment of finely. the worst thing about it is the "invisibly"


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20 Mar 2007, 8:45 am

It kills me because my parents always expected so much out of me. My father still tells me that I could do anything that I can put my mind to. Well, I can't put my mind to much. I'm proving that again and again.



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20 Mar 2007, 11:04 am

ProwlingParadox wrote:
There is the fact that Autes are recognized young and everything from then on is low expectations so the ability to do small thing is a big thing they get prased. i don't know about the rest of aspies but all my life it was why cant u do these things, anything u managed was not celebrated it was greeted with a comment of finely. the worst thing about it is the "invisibly"


I totally agree. When I'm struggling to do my very best is when I enter the low end of "normal" for my intelligence range.



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20 Mar 2007, 11:06 am

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It kills me because my parents always expected so much out of me. My father still tells me that I could do anything that I can put my mind to. Well, I can't put my mind to much. I'm proving that again and again.


Can anyone meet their Dad's standards? Whenever I finally accomplished something my dad and much-older brother wanted me to, instead of congratulations I got in effect "Now reach this much-higher goal. NOW." ...While I'm still out of breath from reaching the first one.



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20 Mar 2007, 11:13 am

There are lots of things to get depressed about, but nobody gets depressed about something that they're unaware of. I don't think it's a problem unique to aspies, I think it applies to all sentient life.



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20 Mar 2007, 11:20 am

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Hey guys,has anyone ever felt that having aspergers is more difficult than being more severely autistic,because we're intelligent and cognitive enough to understand what many of us miss out on in life?We are all too aware of our deficentcies and shortcomings,yet people on the other end of the spectrum are not.


Some low functioning, mutist kanner auties are actually very very intelligent and aware, theyr just not high-functioning enough to show it.



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22 Mar 2007, 1:36 am

It's pretty hard. And it's in a strange sort of way.

What it comes down to mostly is that most of us want to be acknowledged by others, and they seem to have a moral objection to acknowledgement. Everything is our fault, and we shouldn't be who we are. Claiming that we are results in being told that we're just making up excuses. (When it's more that they are holding excuses for not treating people with respect)

We have real problems, but people aren't interested in helping us with those real problems. There seems to be this assumption that if a cause can be found, that all these other issues will just vanish. If they even recognize that their ARE other problems (I suspect they don't in many cases)

I mean really. What's worse? Some lights giving you a slight headache, or being socially isolated?


So many of us try so damn hard to deal with social situations and no one seems to give a damn about it.

I don't want to be low functioning. Or normal. I don't even mind so much if people hate me. But, I'd like to have a choice in the matter. And I want other people to have some options for crying out loud. I want people to believe that there's some kind of hope out there.

But I don't think that's going to happen as long as other people are totally apathetic to us and our situation. It's not just an AS issue, but it has a lot to do with life in the zeros (great name for the decade huh?)


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22 Mar 2007, 4:00 am

Sure, it's more difficult. It's also more difficult than being NT. I wouldn't choose either though.



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23 Mar 2007, 4:51 am

Sometimes yes. They do seem like some of the happiest people on earth. You cannot fake the smile that a severe austistic gets when they due the most mundane of things. Ignorance truly is bliss. Sometimes it is better to be a pig satisfied than socrates dissatisfied. Perhaps a portion of the cognitive abilities that they lack is the ability to make value judgements about themselves in comparison to others. The philosopher Russeau wrote a piece called "On the origin of Inequality" in which he lays out a logical argument explaining why suicide is caused by society and such cognitive abilities. A great piece.

I don't think I could say if I could choose between the two, because I would have to experience both without knowing of the other, yet knowing of the other in order to truly choose between the two, if that makes sense.


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23 Mar 2007, 6:30 am

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I always get the sensation that I'm the outside looking in looking at AS. Because... well, I know with a lot of mental disorders it can be difficult for that person to express him or herself or to talk about their condition... that's not the same with me. I think differently, but I can explain how I do so and critically think about myself. I'm metacognitive.


This post likely won't make sense, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. :)


Damnit, it's so good to hear somebody saying "Metacognitive".

And not just because I like it aesthetically speaking.


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23 Mar 2007, 6:39 am

Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
It kills me because my parents always expected so much out of me. My father still tells me that I could do anything that I can put my mind to. Well, I can't put my mind to much. I'm proving that again and again.


Can anyone meet their Dad's standards? Whenever I finally accomplished something my dad and much-older brother wanted me to, instead of congratulations I got in effect "Now reach this much-higher goal. NOW." ...While I'm still out of breath from reaching the first one.


My Dad doesn't set me any standards to my knowledge, or he does I meet them.

You shouldn't generalise any group of people.


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26 Mar 2007, 4:35 pm

Things are easier for me, than they were, when I've made my two original posts, two months ago. I was really having a hard time accepting my flaws, so to speak. I'm in a better place than I was.



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27 Mar 2007, 4:59 pm

I think AS is a curse sometimes.