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03 Jan 2015, 8:56 am

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Whenever I get this tired of NT people I threaten to live in a cave with my cats (sometimes I decide to allow dogs as well) and never come out.

There are a limited number of things that one needs to do in order to survive, have food, shelter, water, enough social interaction to keep from going insane, medical care. I would add books, and high speed internet for myself, if not for you. So with that in mind, the question is then can you lead a life that you want to lead without having to enter this rat race mentality? I don't know what kind of life you want, I think for some lives it's very doable, others not so much. I've heard about this a lot in pre-med students for example, but I almost never see it on the farm where I work.

As to how to understand the mentality, I found that learning about horse behavior made this kind of thing make sense to me. With people, I generally let people push pretty far, I'm pretty easy going, but if they go to far I do have a tendency to "snap." Because I'm known for being so easy going when I do get angry people tend to pay better attention because they don't see it coming.

I hope some of that made sense

Not the words, but yes. Someone upset me inadvertantly being careless yesterday and I was unable to pretend for some time, with relative strangers, and 3 were very kind to me. So yes, it helps some.



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03 Jan 2015, 9:44 am

I don't pretend. I stay out of the social Darwinist fray. Many people aren't into the rat race mentality. They are into less social, more intellectual things. This is the world where I prefer to reside.



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03 Jan 2015, 11:49 am

I feel much worse since I agreed to a medical screening procedure that's standard, so I can see why it was recommended, but usually I have the strength to say no to these kind of things when they're going to be too much for me. Now I'm trying to pretend to keep people from going after me and have wound up agreeing to something I cannot stand and do not know how to get out of and don't know how to cope with situation while pretending to be strong and calm as others seem to demand :cry: :cry: :cry:



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03 Jan 2015, 11:57 am

It's true: one must not be compelled to do ANYTHING.

If it's a screening for cancer, though, I would go beyond feeling "compelled." I would get the screening. I love waterfalls; I don't want to lose one because she didn't get a screening.



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03 Jan 2015, 12:04 pm

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I am being told (again) that most people observe other people for weakness and then try to climb over others they see as weak.

And that to survive in the world, one has to watch for weakness and see people in terms of strong or weak and be ready to climb over others.

If one doesn't see the world in terms of strength and weakness and a search to dominate others, is it possible to pretend enough to get by without completely exhausting oneself, or is there some way to not have to pretend?


:roll: not at you, but whoever told you that....Yes there are people who look for weaknesses in people so they can climb over others, those people are called a**holes and well if most people are like that maybe some alien race should come and destroy the human race before it develops the technology to leave earth, or sabotage our technology lol.

And what is to say that in your case pretending to be neurotypical would be seen as stronger than not pretending anyways?


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03 Jan 2015, 12:06 pm

I can't stop crying and the flashbacks are horrible but thank you for sending your love Kraftie



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03 Jan 2015, 12:13 pm

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:roll: not at you, but whoever told you that....Yes there are people who look for weaknesses in people so they can climb over others, those people are called a**holes and well if most people are like that maybe some alien race should come and destroy the human race before it develops the technology to leave earth, or sabotage our technology lol.

When I'm not so overwhelmed I know that

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And what is to say that in your case pretending to be neurotypical would be seen as stronger than not pretending anyways?

Maybe so, my brain is very tired now I will try to think that you may be right and not try so hard everything is exhausting now

Most people have trouble understanding how everything can hurt, everything. Thank you all for getting what I mean



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03 Jan 2015, 12:18 pm

Forgive me, Waterfall, I didn't know you get flashbacks like that.

Would you be just as scared if they put you under general anesthesia during the procedure?

Then again...maybe I should stop lecturing, and just give you a

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03 Jan 2015, 12:26 pm

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Forgive me, Waterfall, I didn't know you get flashbacks like that.

Would you be just as scared if they put you under general anesthesia during the procedure?

Then again...maybe I should stop lecturing, and just give you a

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I am scared because they want me to participate in things that seem like they may/will harm me and I don't want to

I am afraid and I am required to pretend to the world to be brave and calm while inside my head the images and feel of the past scream so loud It's hard to stop for more than a few minutes. But I am grateful for those times when it's quiet in my mind and it does help me when any human being takes that moment as you are to show and maybe even feel compassion{{{{hug}}}}



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03 Jan 2015, 12:35 pm

It sounds like something really bad happened to you with a doctor.

Or maybe, like me, you felt sensory overload when a procedure was being done.

Once, when I was about three or so, I got an EEG to see if I was epileptic. That made me think I had brain surgery--and I believed it until I was a teenager. All for a little EEG! I used to go around telling people that I had brain surgery to cure my mental retardation (which is what I thought autism was when I was a kid). I was quite autistic until I began to speak when I was 5 1/2. I became less autistic afterwards.

If you don't want to do something, it's your right as a person not to be forced to do something.



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03 Jan 2015, 12:57 pm

I've never really "spoken" to you before, Waterfall.

What is it that gives you the most pleasure, and prevents you from feeling sad?



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03 Jan 2015, 1:11 pm

When I can be lost in the moment and just be and I am around others who are kind, take me as I am, and I can just be me with no worries for a future that may or may not happen or the past that isn't here. When someone pulls me into the present. When an object of beauty or idea or activity pulls me into the moment these are things that make me happy and I need to remember those moments not the rest of it, not that I am sad so much more than I am happy.

I am happy too when I see someone else enjoying me or happy through something I've done. I was crying today and my swim instructor came, and said she's had a hard day too, and then later she told me I'd helped her feel happy just by being her student and whatever she felt or experienced today somehow, if I can believe she meant it and wasn't just trying to calm me, somehow she seemed to mean I'd made her day better, just as she helped me. That makes me happy, too, to not have to experience myself as a terrible drain on others whenever I'm around them, as I want to be.

I may do something for my daughter now, that could help some. Thank you for the suggestion to think what makes me happy.



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03 Jan 2015, 1:21 pm

I get what you mean...perfectly. I think people should just "be," too.

Your swim instructor sounds sincere; her saying she's just happy that you're her student is not cliched at all. It's not a platitude. I think she meant what she said.

Are you a competitive swimmer?



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03 Jan 2015, 2:13 pm

No not competitive not even fast

And you're right, cancer screening. Being asked to swallow even the most mildly toxic substances for the procedure is making me so upset I can hardly stand it. But right now I will do something for my daughter as you suggested maybe this will help some



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03 Jan 2015, 3:34 pm

How old's your daughter? It's lovely that you've got a daughter.

I'm 54 (yesterday), and still have no kids.



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03 Jan 2015, 6:10 pm

I'm glad to have children and shouldn't complain, but sometimes still so lonely.

We went to see modern art, it was free and while I was there surrounded by what individual people had worked on to say something who don't get pressured into any mold of normality, there was some peace in my head. Now I am having to work hard to hold down the noise, but i do have the memories of people not being afraid to say with their art who they are and what they think and the memory there are those people and people here helps