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09 Sep 2015, 10:58 pm

Excuse me while I go check my priviledge that I lack but I guess I do have priviledge because of the basis on my gender and orientation! Exxcuse my after I have just finished crying like a whiny b***h and go smoke a cigarette! People are as*holes and monsters, not everyone is but sometimes it is hard to tell especially after gaining trust only be destroyed afterwards. Take my advice, dont be an as*hole, don't abuse and rape someone, don't beat someone it is common sense ffs! Perhaps my priviledge will get me a discount at Jack in the Box, that would be nice! Oh well cant blame me for for trying to throw a little humor over this mess I just want to lighten things up...The priviledge and discount at Jack in the box was meant to be funny feel free to laugh, I was trying to be funny. I don't like being sad anymore, being sad sucks!*sigh* Of course autistic men aren't more privedge over NT women that was a dick move and unfair and my venting against sexism and ignoring autists problems paired with males as rare as it is who get screwed over and abused and ignored. NT women face problems and they should be not ignored either, I have been a jerk by venting over my own problems.


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09 Sep 2015, 11:11 pm

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Sorry guys for getting all emotional and making a pointless thread on PPR that should have been haven based, I let my BS flashbacks get to me and act like a drama queen again, I gave way way too much info about my past and aristo opened me up big time maybe not in a bad way but an understanding way, excuse me as I go afk a bit and cry because I am crying yes I am a man and crying I hurt deep inside but at the time understand and my emotions are going haywire at this moment. People are gonna laugh at me for crying but I dont care anymore, it hurts but feels better and I have been holding in for so god damn long I need to let it out! I feel both happy and sad at the same time I dont know what is wrong with me!


I'm not laughing, and TBH most of the people lurking probably aren't laughing either. This is serious s**t. If they are laughing they're complete nitwits who's deaths will probably result in Darwin awards-- f**k those people and their opinion. Trust me, you and me aren't the only two on this forum who share that experience, but we're the only two with the courage to talk about it. See that's just one part of the strength I was talking about. :wink:



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09 Sep 2015, 11:21 pm

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Excuse me while I go check my priviledge that I lack but I guess I do have priviledge because of the basis on my gender and orientation! Exxcuse my after I have just finished crying like a whiny b***h and go smoke a cigarette! People are as*holes and monsters, not everyone is but sometimes it is hard to tell especially after gaining trust only be destroyed afterwards. Take my advice, dont be an as*hole, don't abuse and rape someone, don't beat someone it is common sense ffs! Perhaps my priviledge will get me a discount at Jack in the Box, that would be nice! Oh well cant blame me for for trying to throw a little humor over this mess I just want to lighten things up...The priviledge and discount at Jack in the box was meant to be funny feel free to laugh, I was trying to be funny. I don't like being sad anymore, being sad sucks!*sigh* Of course autistic men aren't more privedge over NT women that was a dick move and unfair and my venting against sexism and ignoring autists problems paired with males as rare as it is who get screwed over and abused and ignored. NT women face problems and they should be not ignored either, I have been a jerk by venting over my own problems.


"White male privilege" does exist-- but only for those that fit the mold. Most people with autism, or disabilities of any kind get booted out of any privileged class pretty quickly. It's a hierarchy, which your topic title alludes to, by current cultural definition we're disabled so we can't be at the top. When you see that term realize it doesn't really apply to you because you don't fit that mold. We can't choose what people say to us or about us, only how we respond to it.



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09 Sep 2015, 11:27 pm

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Excuse me while I go check my priviledge that I lack but I guess I do have priviledge because of the basis on my gender and orientation! Exxcuse my after I have just finished crying like a whiny b***h and go smoke a cigarette! People are as*holes and monsters, not everyone is but sometimes it is hard to tell especially after gaining trust only be destroyed afterwards. Take my advice, dont be an as*hole, don't abuse and rape someone, don't beat someone it is common sense ffs! Perhaps my priviledge will get me a discount at Jack in the Box, that would be nice! Oh well cant blame me for for trying to throw a little humor over this mess I just want to lighten things up...The priviledge and discount at Jack in the box was meant to be funny feel free to laugh, I was trying to be funny. I don't like being sad anymore, being sad sucks!*sigh* Of course autistic men aren't more privedge over NT women that was a dick move and unfair and my venting against sexism and ignoring autists problems paired with males as rare as it is who get screwed over and abused and ignored. NT women face problems and they should be not ignored either, I have been a jerk by venting over my own problems.


"White male privilege" does exist-- but only for those that fit the mold. Most people with autism, or disabilities of any kind get booted out of any privileged class pretty quickly. It's a hierarchy, which your topic title alludes to, by current cultural definition we're disabled so we can't be at the top. When you see that term realize it doesn't really apply to you because you don't fit that mold. We can't choose what people say to us or about us, only how we respond to it.
*sigh* your right..did you like My Jack in the Box comment out of humorous sarcasm? I tried to kinda lighten it up abit, speaking of that Jack in the Box does sound rather tasty I would love a jumbo Jack with Cheese once I get off from work tommorrow. I just hate being sad and negative all the time and let my emotions go apeshit over my dark past, sometimes being humorous is my only escape at times. We need some light at times once in a while I cannot just shrug off my past like its no big deal but I try and give myself that anestetic of humor at times.


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09 Sep 2015, 11:36 pm

I guess your right, I dont fit into that mold, I am white yes, I am male yes but I have autism and to have me just as priviledged as an NT white male just as priviledged is unfair, and I felt I was supposed to hit that same category regardless of being autistic and the result of being bullied and vilified by both men and women so stood up like i am supposed to be priviledged as such and take all the blame and vilification of it on top ot the bullying and abuse!


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10 Sep 2015, 12:09 am

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I guess your right, I dont fit into that mold, I am white yes, I am male yes but I have autism and to have me just as priviledged as an NT white male just as priviledged is unfair, and I felt I was supposed to hit that same category regardless of being autistic and the result of being bullied and vilified by both men and women so stood up like i am supposed to be priviledged as such and take all the blame and vilification of it on top ot the bullying and abuse!


1st, from your jack in the box above, I'd probably laugh, but I live way out in the boonies, like half a continent away from one and have never eaten there. Humor is good, use that personality aspect to your advantage, not as a coping mechanism, but as a fundamental part of who you are-- people love fun and funny people.

As for this quote, you really need to let that s**t go and accept that people like you and me won't be in that top social class regardless of how hard we try. It's liberating because then you understand that a lot of the expectations and criticisms of that social class really have no application to us. Your male privilege will get you as far as John Goodman gets in a marathon-- after a meal of Jack in the Box. People do treat people differently based on all kinds of criteria such as race, gender, etc. but psychological differences that's a big one-- that eliminates a lot of any privilege you may receive. I'm sure you can think of several occasions where an autism trait shouldn't really be an issue but someone discriminates against it anyways, it's the same thing a lot of women feel, just in a different way. Don't let the radical feminists get to you, they're overlooking people like us when they make generalized statements like that. The ideal version of "white male privilege" they're railing against is the jock football player that went to a private prep school, ivy league school and through those social connections got a pretty easy ride to a high paying job with all kinds of power. The guy that puts down everyone else because his ego is so large he truly feels superior to everyone else, even though he didn't have to work near as hard as everyone else to get there. Does that sound like you? Yeah, didn't think so, so don't sweat it when you hear about it-- it doesn't apply to you.



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10 Sep 2015, 1:21 am

I'm going to ignore all the vitriol and answer the topic question. The main fallacy is trying to quantitative privilege, different privileges are qualitatively different. However, I would say that at least in Western society you're more likely to be discriminated against for being autistic than for being a woman. The reason that get's overlooked is because ableism gets overlooked for other forms of discrimination because the other forms are more discussed, which relates back to ableism being more severe. That means that unfortunately it's our job to get ableism recognized. Anyway, autism does make it more likely for someone to be raped or sexually assaulted, male or female, not sure if it makes you more likely to be raped than being a woman though.


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10 Sep 2015, 8:11 pm

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I'm going to ignore all the vitriol and answer the topic question. The main fallacy is trying to quantitative privilege, different privileges are qualitatively different. However, I would say that at least in Western society you're more likely to be discriminated against for being autistic than for being a woman. The reason that get's overlooked is because ableism gets overlooked for other forms of discrimination because the other forms are more discussed, which relates back to ableism being more severe. That means that unfortunately it's our job to get ableism recognized. Anyway, autism does make it more likely for someone to be raped or sexually assaulted, male or female, not sure if it makes you more likely to be raped than being a woman though.
Well to be honest although autistic men have a higher likelyness to raped or abused by someone if a woman with autism it would be a little higher however an autistic male is not more priviledged than an NT female and maybe is equally prone to being raped and abused as one, even if less it is slightly to the point it is basically equal anyway.


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10 Sep 2015, 8:26 pm

How about this: neither group has privilege. That's the truth. Arguing who has more or less is pointless since they both get screwed.



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10 Sep 2015, 8:29 pm

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How about this: neither group has privilege. That's the truth. Arguing who has more or less is pointless since they both get screwed.
YES! And..being screwed over sucks and now understand at times why they are so pissed off because I get pissed off and its hurtful so they are also hurt and pissed because they got screwed over by as*holes and monsters.


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10 Sep 2015, 10:27 pm

AspieOtaku, I used to find you a very confusing poster, but I think I'm starting to understand what's going on with you. I have history of abuse too, not at the hands of women, but parents and caretakers. When I was very young I had a tendency to look for stories similar to mine and ended up looking at most parents and people who wanted children as selfish, vile and entitled. See, that kind of attitude validated my experience in some way and gave me a bit of relief in the moment. But it also filled me with hatred and skewed my view of the world. I'm in a very different place now, but I still avoid the Parent's forum here sometimes, because I find many posts there quite horrible. Instead of getting angry, I try to keep in mind that some are probably frustrated and tired and sometimes I'm just projecting and misreading what they're saying. And some are indeed just a***holes. So what?

I think your obsession with a very small group of "feminists" with extreme and warped views is similar to what I used to do. And I think you keep pouring salt on your wounds instead of looking to heal. Maybe you blame yourself for what happened to you and try to find a "logical" explanation for it, a reason it happened to you and not me for example, just as I used to try to find out why my parents made me than almost killed me. Was I a monster, impossible to love? Were they the monsters, were all parents monsters in disguise? The truth is, there is no "logical" explanation for such things, you didn't cause them and often the abusers themselves don't know why they act that way. Also most women don't hate men and don't want to harm or exterminate them, and thinking they are isn't going to ease your pain. Try to accept that you just ran into a horrible person who took advantage of you, it's neither your fault nor the fault of women in general.

I hope this won't upset you, I'm not blaming you and understand very well how hard and scary it is, the healing process can be very long and painful in itself. But I can also tell you from experience that the alternative is worse and extremely self-destructive.

Try to find some kind of help that works for you and give yourself a break once in a while, all that shame and blame you put on yourself can end up crushing you. And stay away from all that hateful drivel you find online, it's poisoning you and distorting reality. Seriously.


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11 Sep 2015, 2:16 am

Aristophanes wrote:
"White male privilege" does exist-- but only for those that fit the mold. Most people with autism, or disabilities of any kind get booted out of any privileged class pretty quickly.

A good summary of how things actually are.
In terms of gender whilst it is true that there are more men than women 'at the top' it is also true that there are more men than women 'at the bottom'. (There also isn't that much attention given to the social status of average people.)
One thing which is often overlooked when it comes to 'social privileges' is that the group of people who have them and the group of people able to grant/revoke them are typically not the same. i.e. some 'unprivileged' people can have a great deal of power and influence in such matters.
It can also be the case that someone from a 'privileged class' who tries themselves to be less 'privileged' can find either that whatever they do they are still treated the same way or that they wind up as a very low status 'outsider'. With disabled people often finding themselves with the latter. Often with the additional issue of 'infantalisation'. (Something which may especially be an issue with autism given that most of the literature is about children.)



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AspieOtaku, I used to find you a very confusing poster, but I think I'm starting to understand what's going on with you. I have history of abuse too, not at the hands of women, but parents and caretakers. When I was very young I had a tendency to look for stories similar to mine and ended up looking at most parents and people who wanted children as selfish, vile and entitled. See, that kind of attitude validated my experience in some way and gave me a bit of relief in the moment. But it also filled me with hatred and skewed my view of the world. I'm in a very different place now, but I still avoid the Parent's forum here sometimes, because I find many posts there quite horrible. Instead of getting angry, I try to keep in mind that some are probably frustrated and tired and sometimes I'm just projecting and misreading what they're saying. And some are indeed just a***holes. So what?

I think your obsession with a very small group of "feminists" with extreme and warped views is similar to what I used to do. And I think you keep pouring salt on your wounds instead of looking to heal. Maybe you blame yourself for what happened to you and try to find a "logical" explanation for it, a reason it happened to you and not me for example, just as I used to try to find out why my parents made me than almost killed me. Was I a monster, impossible to love? Were they the monsters, were all parents monsters in disguise? The truth is, there is no "logical" explanation for such things, you didn't cause them and often the abusers themselves don't know why they act that way. Also most women don't hate men and don't want to harm or exterminate them, and thinking they are isn't going to ease your pain. Try to accept that you just ran into a horrible person who took advantage of you, it's neither your fault nor the fault of women in general.

I hope this won't upset you, I'm not blaming you and understand very well how hard and scary it is, the healing process can be very long and painful in itself. But I can also tell you from experience that the alternative is worse and extremely self-destructive.

Try to find some kind of help that works for you and give yourself a break once in a while, all that shame and blame you put on yourself can end up crushing you. And stay away from all that hateful drivel you find online, it's poisoning you and distorting reality. Seriously.
I am pissed at the world at times because I got abused by not only my stepdad but my ex fiance and there has not been real help since, most feminists don't care and have laughed in my face which is why i had the negative views on feminism with the double standards and probably just ran into the radical. I feel ashamed but I am not oppressing anyone I myself got oppressed and at times I feel mad, ashamed and hurt at the same time that the rest of the world does not take it seriously when a man like myself for example is abused and people laugh it off. I do at times come off as bitter because I have had a really harsh life and am venting but who else hasnt had a harsh life? I do on the flipside care about others sometimes more than myself and at times believe I am not important or not as important as anyone else and am only there to be a servant and protector and look out for other people I care abouts well being but not my own. I keep receiving pep talk from a friend of mine lecturing me for like 20 minutes even though I dont like being lectured and told "you need to make yourself happy, so make yourself happy, because if you cant make yourself happy what is the point in trying to make others happy when your not happy?" Ugg she probably makes a point though but I tend to get into the habit of shrugging it off and only care about other people and not myself because at times I feel I dont matter.


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12 Sep 2015, 11:07 pm

Like the common saying from Rick and Morty! Wubba Lubba Dub Dub! You want to know the meaning? Ask Bird person! Of course in his language it means "i am in great pain, please help me.".


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13 Sep 2015, 11:07 pm

WTF cant people learn not to be abusive, bully and rape people? Why cant people learn not to be sexisists, abiliests and racists? Why cant most people learn not to rape abuse and control people? I wish to know and when rape happens more to women then men and yet when it happens to men it is laughed at and ignored? We are people too we are the minority of the issue at hand but it does happen and we get abused as well, even by women but there are no shelters for men and counceling is lacking and most folks like myself have to get over it ourselves. I am kind of a special case I have been abused by a man and both raped and abused by a woman, I do exist, I never got real help over it and have had to get over it myself and man up! That is society of things!


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22 Sep 2015, 11:46 pm

The world is a sick sad place to live in and full of hate, that encourages rape and suicide, it is a sh***y world there is no reason to keep on living, but I do keep living, why do I do it? I tried killing myself to free myself from this hell but have been prevented from doing so, does the world wish me to suffer more for eternity for being born? Why do people not want me to die and end my misery? I keep on living now although at times I dont want to anymore because people keep intervening. I am just destined to keep living on and suffering.


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