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19 Apr 2007, 11:29 pm

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Sometimes I think I will never be able to survive, and my existence will only increasingly become abject, so it may just as well be best to save all the suffering and die now.

When I feel that way I take a deep breath and try to take one thing at a time...

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19 Apr 2007, 11:50 pm

I struggle so much so I need somebody to be with me, but at the same time I have problems with people, I feel all alone, it makes me want to end it.

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20 Apr 2007, 12:18 am

I think...that some of the older members...actually, just one of the older members, has a VERY limited understanding of the portion of aspies who DO actually desire some social interraction, yet cannot obtain it... I also think that some of the older members, actually, just one, is irresponsible himself for saying such things on a forum THAT IS SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING! I also think that some of the older members, actually, just one, has NO RIGHT to judge who is and is not NT, not to say it as if there might be something incredibly wrong with it. We are all humans regardless, though some might beg to differ on that one.

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20 Apr 2007, 12:31 am

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There are a lot of attention seekers here, some of their comments sound very NT social to me. They want lots of friends, social acceptance, and if they do not get it they are going to kill themselves. OK. I want to avoid people, groups, crowds, and live as long as I can because I annoy some people by existing.

An aspergers diagnosis does not mean one does not want friends, attention, acceptance,etc. It just means they have social cognitive problems that may prevent them from attaining those things. Those that want to avoid social contact fit more a
Schizoid personality disorder criteria than aspergers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_p ... y_disorder

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20 Apr 2007, 12:32 am

I thought about suicide once, but:

1. I'm a wuss

2. I wouldn't want to make my family cry

and 3. I always think, "maybe it will be better tomorrow?"

3 reasons I haven't killed myself.

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20 Apr 2007, 12:34 am

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I do not see most, or even a large percentage. Lots more anger, but still going.

In actual results, I does happen, but it is much lower, perhaps half of the murder rate. Most are older people, bad health, life falling apart, and they end it. As for the young, it is mostly talk that is meant to push buttons. I ignore them, nothing I could say would help.

In my sixty years I have met one suicide, and three murders. Many talk of killing others, they do not, many talk of killing themselves, they do not. The suicide took an overdose, I think she expected to wake up in a hospital and get lots of attention. Opps!

There are a lot of attention seekers here, some of their comments sound very NT social to me. They want lots of friends, social acceptance, and if they do not get it they are going to kill themselves. OK. I want to avoid people, groups, crowds, and live as long as I can because I annoy some people by existing.

A couple of good friends is a lifetime supply, and mostly I am cutting back on my interactions with people. They are doing something very much like saying they are going to plant a bomb at their school, do that and you will get attention. I will report you to the FBI.

We even have leaders here in the sucide club, it seems to be in a lot of their posts. Pay attention to me or the puppy gets hurt. So I think it was an ugly puppy. At first I think, that's too bad, then this has been going on for how long, then do it and quit posting, then I think I my start posting a how to manual. Then I just ignore them.

I think they do set a bad example for the young, coming here and saying you are going to kill yourself, the same people for the several months I have been here, is not what young aspies need to hear. If they kill themselves, OK, if not, they are activly inciting others to kill themselves.

I find them to be emotionally rude, irresponsible, there are children of seven here, and I am sure there are plenty of sucide clubs on the web where they could be with their own kind.

Being as they come across as NTs, and are promoting sucide among aspies, I think it might be the Curbie faction final solution, several seem to be posting the subject all over WP. If they cannot get any takers they can emotionally bully the weak, and then point out how much those misrible aspies write about killing themselves.

Telling children that their lives will nothing but living hell, and there is only one way out, is a form of murder. I think all the CAN members belong to this site. Happy and productive aspies make them look bad, so here they are.

We should have a suicide forum, and ban it from the rest, let them talk to each other.

You have just upset a lot of people, cabron....

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20 Apr 2007, 12:36 am

Suicide has never ever been an option for me. I didn't even think it would ever even be VAGUELY an option until I joined WP.

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20 Apr 2007, 12:41 am

TheMachine1 wrote:

Great point...

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20 Apr 2007, 1:24 am

If I commit suicide, I'd be leaving my best friends behind. I really don't want to do that.

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20 Apr 2007, 2:36 am

Because of arguments for gun control ....

** no Alex, don't lock the topic, it's OK **

.... I looked at suicide statistics and papers published in psych journals etc. and drew some conclusions .... (I will try to keep it brief and it does get relevent to aspies eventually) ...

Gun controllers want to say suidicide will decrease with fewer guns in the community, so I went looking for some correlation. There isn't any that I can find. Suicide rates are relatively constant over a long period of time. There likewise didn't appear to be any increase in rates during the great depression or world wars or other economic downturns. I had expected that with great trouble like the great depression there would be increased rates. Not so in Australia.

In Australia there are higher rates of suicide in rural areas. I then looked at the levels of farm production (our Bureau of Statistics publishes a $ value of farm output). I found a very strong correlation between the change in farm output and the change in suicides. If you plot them you get something looking like a sine wave and its mirror image. As farm production goes down, rural suicides go up.

From this I take that the farm ecomony moves independently of the city economy. A farmer can be going on very tough times while us city folk are having very good times.

Here is the point. I think that if someone feels they are suffering alone, they are more likely to suicide. If they are not feeling they are suffering alone (e.g. in the great depression you know others are suffering with you) they can cope with the problems much better

This is why WP is such a good site. You know that you are not the only one.

Incidentaly, I thought all psych papers on the topic of gun deaths were crap. Full of normative arguments and lacking any valid statistics. Why do these people get any credibility?

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20 Apr 2007, 3:25 am

Dear Inventor,
Please take into consideration that Graelwyn is going through emotional difficulties, which could have been intensified by chemical imbalance in her body...the imbalance makes coping difficult for her in situations that might be tolerable for others...and it sounds like her situation is intolerable enough already...
Just as autism is caused by neurological differences, emotional difficulties can be related to chemical differences, and as autism it should be treated with care and understanding...
I don't think it is her attention to seek attention or set an undesirable example...rather, first and foremost, she is in too much pain which leads her to posting as a therapeutic attempt...
It would be greatly appreciated if expression of pain can be tolerated in this forum...especially in Haven...

As for children being influenced...maybe we should have an agreement that children should be on this site under the supervision of their parents....hmm....just an idea...or maybe we already have the agreement? I'm not sure...

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21 Apr 2007, 1:10 pm

Suicide is a very serious thing and no one should be criticized if they want to kill themselves. That's just the most awful thing you can do to a suicidal person. Great job for pushing them further over the edge.

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