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09 May 2007, 3:02 pm

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I don't quite understand...these people seem nice-are you afraid of talking to them?


I can talk to them but if I do, they'll expect me to do it again, regularly. I can't. Some days I'm withdrawn and mute. They will be offended. It escalates till they scapegoat me. I've been hiding in my apt for a year because of how the neighbours treat me. I'm afraid.


afraid of what?
you should try-and be honest with them :) you know tell them why your how you are-a little knowledge goes a long way


Kilroy, I'm afraid of attempts on my life, and all the other bullyings leading up to it. As for explaining, I don't trust people that far.



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09 May 2007, 3:07 pm

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Arnt you glad they dont burn "whitchs" any more?We would be in alot of trouble.People fear,what they dont understand and most wouldnt understand AS even after you explain it.(I think they have some ToM issues.. :wink: )They also cant seem to grasp they we can have "high and low" functioning days.Some,I can be friendly and do small talk,some I cant...I cant predict with any regularity....they cant wrap their heads around this(which is absurd,as they have the same issues to lesser degrees).

Some people just love to have someone to mock and feel better then,no way to get around it,most people feel like crap about their own lives and need to feel superior to some one.Bullies dont grow up they just get older.If you can make some small connection with one person in a "neighborhood group"....there usually is one who is a "caretaker" and more empathetic....you can try and explain to them and they will share the info with others(love to gossip)and this may help a little?

I wish you luck.I have no iisue with just saying "hi" to people and moving on...I think I am considered shy and excentric but
at least not "rude".Keep practicing,some comprimises are needed to "get along" sometimes.


Krex, you're so right about people not understanding high and low functioning. They equate it with some kind of madness. I'd have been burned as witch a long time ago! :twisted:

Thanks for your advice. I can see why people don't think you're rude - you can say Hi and move on. I'll try, I'd love to be promoted to "shy and eccentric."



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09 May 2007, 3:12 pm

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When you move, why not post a letter/card through everyone's doors saying hello, and explaining your face blindness. You could ask them to introduce themselves every time they approach you. If someone approached you and said, 'Hello *your name*, it's *their name*," then maybe it would make it easier for you to socialise. And even if that doesn't happen at least they'd know that you're not just being rude if you do turn away or don't say hello.

Funnily enough I dislike rudeness, even though sometimes I don't realise I'm being rude when I do something or neglect to do something. So I can understand why you might not want people thinking you're rude, or might not want to gain negative attention through accidentally causing people to think you are rude.

If attempting to create understanding in your community doesn't help then at least you'll know you tried.

Then again perhaps the glasses and the stick will be enough to help you to avoid awkward situations.


I couldn't really slip notes to all my neighbours - it's a big apartment building with 150 tenants, and there are rows and rows of buildings like that. I don't know if I'm trying to create understanding - I'm more trying to create a right to be alone. The cane and the glasses help, yes, and I'm thinking of adding earplugs.



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09 May 2007, 3:20 pm

You must think I'm the greatest whiner of all time. Could I ask you to read this and see if it describes you? Because it describes me and - even though we all know the story - when I read it again, I broke down sobbing. Because I know it'll never change, he'll be hounded from pillar to post until he dies of something or other.
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In the farmyard, a duck stared at the duckling and said, “What an ugly duckling; we don’t want him here.” The ugly duckling was bitten, pushed and ridiculed by the ducks. He didn’t know where to hide. Every day it got worse. His brothers and sisters said, “I wish the cat would get you.” His mother said she wished he’d never been born. The ducks pecked him, the chickens beat him, and the girl who fed the poultry kicked him. Finally the ugly duckling ran away.

A storm arose, and he struggled against it. Towards evening, he reached a little cottage. He sat by the cottage, and then noticed that the door was not quite closed. There was an opening just large enough for him to slip through, which he did, and got shelter for the night.

In this cottage lived an old woman, a cat, and a hen. The old woman’s sight was so bad that she thought he was a duck that could lay eggs. So he was allowed to stay on trial for three weeks. But there were no eggs. “Can you lay eggs?” asked the hen. “No? Then have the goodness to hold your tongue.” And the cat said, “Can you raise your back, or purr? No? Then you have no right to express an opinion when sensible people are speaking.” The duckling sat in a corner feeling very low, till sunshine entered the room and he felt such a longing to swim that he couldn’t help telling the hen. “That’s absurd,” said the hen. “You have nothing to do, so you have foolish ideas. If you could purr or lay eggs, you wouldn’t think like that.” “But swimming is wonderful,” said the duckling. “You must be crazy!” said the hen. “Ask the cat if he would like to swim in the water. Ask the old woman. Do you think she would like to swim?” “You don’t understand me,” said the duckling. “Who can understand you, I wonder? Do you think you’re better than others? Thank your good fortune that you have been received here. But you are not very agreeable. I speak only for your own good. I advise you to lay eggs and learn to purr as soon as possible.” The duckling said, “I believe I must go out into the world again.”
“Yes, do,” said the hen.

The duckling left the cottage and found water in which he could swim and dive. All the animals avoided him because he was ugly. Eventually winter came. The ugly duckling had to swim about on the water to keep it from freezing. Each night the space on which he swam got smaller. Soon it froze so that ice crackled when he moved. The duckling paddled hard to keep the ice from closing up. Soon he was exhausted, and lay still and helpless, frozen in the ice.

In the morning, a peasant broke the ice and brought the duckling home to his wife. The duckling revived in the warmth. When the children tried to play with him, he thought they would hurt him, so he started up in terror, fluttered into the milk-pan, and splashed milk around the room. The woman clapped her hands, which scared him even more. He flew into the butter-cask, then into the meal-tub, and out again. The woman screamed and struck at him with tongs. The children laughed and screamed and tumbled over each other trying to catch him. Finally the duckling escaped and fell exhausted into the snow.



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09 May 2007, 4:52 pm

The ugly duckling was actually a cygnet. The ending to the story is a happy one (he comes across other swans and is accepted by them, etc. etc.)...



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09 May 2007, 7:16 pm

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The ugly duckling was actually a cygnet. The ending to the story is a happy one (he comes across other swans and is accepted by them, etc. etc.)...

Yup. But not in real life, not in my life, is what I'm trying to say. Being chased from pillar to post repeats on a loop, ad infinitum. It doesn't matter if I'm a swan, the world is ruled by cranky ducks. They've probably "cured" all the other swans.



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10 May 2007, 7:10 am

Oh, okay, I thought you'd accidentally missed the ending of the story, or something.



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10 May 2007, 7:31 am

Claradoon: uh…you do know that something isn’t “right” with your neighbours if you experience death threats and attempts at killing you because you don’t reciprocate, and you fear that it may happen again if you continue to be "you". I mean, this is quite obvious to me; and I’m safe to assume that you’ve notified the coppers right?

I'd be bunkering up if I were you.... :?

I don’t think there’s anything you can “do” that’d satisfy these people if they take such insane and extreme measures because you aren’t a social butterfly (Jesus!)…. Something is definitely going down in your area that you aren't picking up.



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10 May 2007, 8:17 am

The death threats aren't current. There was somebody seriously trying to kill me when I was a kid. And he almost did, twice. On both occasions he had me overpowered and was going for the kill when somebody intervened. And there was the third time when he gave me a concussion. Which I mention now to indicate not that I expect to die, but that the situation can get serious, which is why I hide. When I moved in here 3 years ago, I thought Brave New World, here we go. Kerblooey. And now I'm moving again, and it's going to happen all over again. People start out liking me, then I guess I do some aspie things - well I do the shifty-eyed thing of course. Then I shut down some days. Also I meltdown, silently if I'm outside. And I recognize nobody. If I was a young man they'd peg me as a shooter, but I'm an old woman so they think I'm ... a witch? which they no longer burn.

The police? If they know I exist then they think I'm a weird loner.

I don't know how to prevent it happening again.

Yesterday I saw an ad - cognitive behavior therapy re disabilities. Maybe that would help. I'll phone her.

Thank you all for putting up with me droning on and on like this.



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10 May 2007, 8:33 am

Intolerance is a beautiful thing isn’t it? :(

I think I understand now (i.e., PTSD from previous encounters which I fully understand and sympathize with), and you don’t want this to happen again so you try to go out of your way to be overtly nice; but since you have trouble with social situations…yeah.

Though...if you feel the situation ever degenerates to whatever, the police are there for a reason: to protect us who are different; though I don't presume to know them, they might be more understanding than you think they are....

Good luck (what else is there?).



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10 May 2007, 8:37 am

Claradoon wrote:
The death threats aren't current. There was somebody seriously trying to kill me when I was a kid. And he almost did, twice. On both occasions he had me overpowered and was going for the kill when somebody intervened. And there was the third time when he gave me a concussion. Which I mention now to indicate not that I expect to die, but that the situation can get serious, which is why I hide. When I moved in here 3 years ago, I thought Brave New World, here we go. Kerblooey. And now I'm moving again, and it's going to happen all over again. People start out liking me, then I guess I do some aspie things - well I do the shifty-eyed thing of course. Then I shut down some days. Also I meltdown, silently if I'm outside. And I recognize nobody. If I was a young man they'd peg me as a shooter, but I'm an old woman so they think I'm ... a witch? which they no longer burn.

The police? If they know I exist then they think I'm a weird loner.

I don't know how to prevent it happening again.

Yesterday I saw an ad - cognitive behavior therapy re disabilities. Maybe that would help. I'll phone her.

Thank you all for putting up with me droning on and on like this.


OMG! What a terrible thing to happen to you.

The cognitive behaviour is definitely worth a try I think.

The 'weird loner' thing. I've been on the receiving end of that too, in the past. Shadow projections do you think? Loners are an easy target for weak-minded group-think morons. (sorry, but bullying is a subject that really gets my back up! :twisted:)

Why people automatically associate loner with weird I don't understand. Most of the real weirdos (murderers for example) are by and large, 'happy family men' or who successfully disguise themselves as such, until they do something dreadful ~ yep, real nice guys!

For me it boils down to one question - why do other people expect everyone to behave just like they do, and assume that people who don't are odd, or deliberately awkward, instead of just 'different' :roll: It's as though we're not allowed to be ourselves...which is about as weird as it gets when you think about it.

'Drone on', as you put it, all you like Claradoon. It always helps me to have a good drone when something's bothering me. That's what we're here for :)



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12 May 2007, 5:07 pm

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Why people automatically associate loner with weird I don't understand. Most of the real weirdos (murderers for example) are by and large, 'happy family men' or who successfully disguise themselves as such, until they do something dreadful ~ yep, real nice guys!

For me it boils down to one question - why do other people expect everyone to behave just like they do, and assume that people who don't are odd, or deliberately awkward, instead of just 'different' :roll: It's as though we're not allowed to be ourselves...which is about as weird as it gets when you think about it.


I agree with you about projection of the collective shadow - every neighbourhood needs a scapegoat. And being different is the best way to apply for the position.

People need to make up reasons why bad things won't happen to them. Ergo the mentality of crime control by wardrobe. i.e. "Of course she got mugged, she wore pink." That kind of thing. Anything to avoid "This could happen to me/us."

I'm looking for a way to indicate my general benevolence without going on perpetual red alert re social signals.

My sister-in-law is so perfect for this social stuff. It's her strong point. We go to the beach, drive 8 hours to get there. What's the first thing we do? I go commune with the ocean. She goes visiting all the people she met last year. I've learned some stuff by emulating her, esp. her speech patterns. But I can't fake being such a people person.