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04 Apr 2018, 3:27 pm

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I would say that you should continue to write down what you're feeling as often as you can but maybe write in a journal. There are a lot of people online who get their jollies by bothering someone who is not in the best mood and/or think that a person doesn't have the right to complain about how their life has gone or about any injustices done to them. A journal won't judge you or talk down to you like a person does whether it's an online poster or in real life.


That's not the case here. At all.

Marknis has been venting his depressive complaints for months/years, and many people have given him positive advice about what he can do to improve his thinking, feeling, and general well being. It falls on deaf ears because he's not interested in doing any work to better himself & prefers to vent his frustrations and depressive thoughts in order to get sympathy from others. That cycle frustrates people who wish him well and would prefer to read him post about some positive changes & progress in his life instead of continuing to do the exact same thing over and over again. No one is "getting their jollies," by bothering him. They're fed up with the cycle of him asking for help and then completely ignoring every piece of advice he gets.


https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=359016

Read the post by the person who claimed I drink margaritas and just want a "sex object". That is not advice, that is an example of a personal attack.

That is gibberish, but I think you misread what he was saying regarding the margaritas. He seems to be using a metaphor where the 'second hand blender' is meant to be a woman and the 'margaritas' symbolise a desire for sex. Something along those lines.

I think he's completely mischaracterized your desires but he doesn't seem to literally be saying you're sipping on margaritas



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04 Apr 2018, 3:32 pm

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The sick thing about my detractors is that they claim to hate my threads but have a compulsion to post in them.


Likely because they're frustrated by reading your never ending negative self talk and complaints and would prefer to read you post anything positive at all about yourself, things you're trying, things you're learning, things you're changing or improving, or anything else in your life.

There's only so long that people will be soft and kind and encourage you before they get frustrated with you shooting down their every attempt to help you and then just be very blunt in their reactions to you. They get to a point where reading your complaints seem like a constant cry for attention and sympathy and they don't have any more to give. They see little point in giving you a quick fix of sympathy that does absolutely nothing to improve you or your situation & would rather give you the blunt advice they think you need to hear instead.

I don't think anyone here particularly dislikes you. They're just growing tired of seeing the same negativity and complaints over and over and over again instead of any small glimmers of hope & change and an effort on your part to help yourself. That's my observation.


I can't list the names because the post will get deleted but there are some who indeed dislike me. They think I need to recognize my "white privelege" or else I am perpetuating racism, sexism, and homophobia just by breathing as well as getting high fives by my "fellow white men". One of them even claimed I drink margaritas (I don't) and just want someone as a sexual object instead of romance. This is complete nonsense in so many ways I don't know where to begin. If they think rednecks are my friends and Donald Trump is sending me money as well as hookers in the mail, they really need to come up in the world.

Criticism that has no basis in reality is always the easiest kind to ignore.


I don't see you as one of my detractors, by the way. The one who said I drank margaritas and wanted a "slut" immediately became the first to be added onto my foe list.

That's good, because all I'm trying to do is help you see the path you need to take in order to expect the success you want.

I think most here are the same as me in that they're just trying to help. Clearly Mr Margarita Man is a different story though.



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04 Apr 2018, 3:33 pm

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I've had people push me around all my life and even on this forum I have those who do the same. I hate that I have to keep living a life of suffering while my detractors are free to point and laugh at me because I have no victories to show for despite my best efforts. I don't want them to celebrate anymore and I want to prove them wrong. I just hate how this year has started off badly and it shows no signs of getting better.


Are you looking for success or for victories? because those are two very different things.



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04 Apr 2018, 3:40 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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I would say that you should continue to write down what you're feeling as often as you can but maybe write in a journal. There are a lot of people online who get their jollies by bothering someone who is not in the best mood and/or think that a person doesn't have the right to complain about how their life has gone or about any injustices done to them. A journal won't judge you or talk down to you like a person does whether it's an online poster or in real life.


That's not the case here. At all.

Marknis has been venting his depressive complaints for months/years, and many people have given him positive advice about what he can do to improve his thinking, feeling, and general well being. It falls on deaf ears because he's not interested in doing any work to better himself & prefers to vent his frustrations and depressive thoughts in order to get sympathy from others. That cycle frustrates people who wish him well and would prefer to read him post about some positive changes & progress in his life instead of continuing to do the exact same thing over and over again. No one is "getting their jollies," by bothering him. They're fed up with the cycle of him asking for help and then completely ignoring every piece of advice he gets.


viewtopic.php?t=359016

Read the post by the person who claimed I drink margaritas and just want a "sex object". That is not advice, that is an example of a personal attack.


First of all, IF it were a personal attack it would be 1:MANY positive pieces of advice that others post for you. So, the ratio would be about 99.x% good wishes & positive advice to 0.x% personal attacks.

However, actually reading the post you're referencing reveals that it isn't a personal attack at all and that it doesn't even say what you think it does:

Piobaire wrote:
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Why can't I have a gothic or alternative girlfriend?


Because quite frankly, women do not deserve you. Go back and re-read your posts; they're virtually all fixated on your sexual frustration; your ideal of help is people "offering their daughters or sisters in marriage to me", as if women were some inanimate object like a second-hand blender; there for no other purpose than to satiate your need for margaritas. You don't really want a relationship as much as someone else's body to masturbate yourself with, and nobody deserves to be subjected to that.
And loose the self-pity. You'll never get a date with that; people find it repellent.


No one said you sit around drinking margaritas. "Margaritas," in the context of this post, is used symbolically to represent your sexual gratification by the women that the poster says you think should just be handed to you as if they were second hand blenders intended to blend your "margaritas."

I have not personally read the posts that Piobaire is referencing where you've said people should offer up women to you. But if Piobaire has read these posts of yours, their comment is entirely valid criticism. I agree that women shouldn't be treated like objects to possess for one's own sexual gratification. If that's the way you view things, Marknis, then Piobaire is in the right for calling you out and telling you that's unrealistic and inappropriate. The ending advice about losing the self-pity because people find it repellent is on point, too.

It seems you just really dislike hearing criticism that you need to hear.


No, I do not view women that way. Piobaire took my post out of context as well. I was telling him that he was wrong for claiming I have "white male privelege" and I don't have the things SJWs and extreme leftists accuse me of having.

And it seems you need to get your facts straight before you open your damn mouth.



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04 Apr 2018, 3:44 pm

Honestly, I have to wonder if a few of your problems with people stem from issues with comprehension.

The margarita post for example. As it's already been pointed out, that was a metaphor. You didn't understand it, and you got upset. It makes me wonder how often that happens, where someone says or does something and you've taken it the wrong way and gotten upset over it.

You've mentioned before about how people scowl at you. I have to wonder if you're not seeing people just with their regular face, and taken it as being a scowl, when in reality it's not - people don't normally walk around with big smiles on their faces all the time.

Some people who are hyper sensitive take things the wrong way a lot. My mother for example takes things the wrong way a lot and it's because she's depressed and she has this persecution complex. It's annoying for everyone around her.

I don't know. It's just a thought.


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04 Apr 2018, 4:03 pm

Marknis wrote:
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Marknis wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
aikoinazuma wrote:
I would say that you should continue to write down what you're feeling as often as you can but maybe write in a journal. There are a lot of people online who get their jollies by bothering someone who is not in the best mood and/or think that a person doesn't have the right to complain about how their life has gone or about any injustices done to them. A journal won't judge you or talk down to you like a person does whether it's an online poster or in real life.


That's not the case here. At all.

Marknis has been venting his depressive complaints for months/years, and many people have given him positive advice about what he can do to improve his thinking, feeling, and general well being. It falls on deaf ears because he's not interested in doing any work to better himself & prefers to vent his frustrations and depressive thoughts in order to get sympathy from others. That cycle frustrates people who wish him well and would prefer to read him post about some positive changes & progress in his life instead of continuing to do the exact same thing over and over again. No one is "getting their jollies," by bothering him. They're fed up with the cycle of him asking for help and then completely ignoring every piece of advice he gets.


https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=359016

Read the post by the person who claimed I drink margaritas and just want a "sex object". That is not advice, that is an example of a personal attack.


First of all, IF it were a personal attack it would be 1:MANY positive pieces of advice that others post for you. So, the ratio would be about 99.x% good wishes & positive advice to 0.x% personal attacks.

However, actually reading the post you're referencing reveals that it isn't a personal attack at all and that it doesn't even say what you think it does:

Piobaire wrote:
Quote:
Why can't I have a gothic or alternative girlfriend?


Because quite frankly, women do not deserve you. Go back and re-read your posts; they're virtually all fixated on your sexual frustration; your ideal of help is people "offering their daughters or sisters in marriage to me", as if women were some inanimate object like a second-hand blender; there for no other purpose than to satiate your need for margaritas. You don't really want a relationship as much as someone else's body to masturbate yourself with, and nobody deserves to be subjected to that.
And loose the self-pity. You'll never get a date with that; people find it repellent.


No one said you sit around drinking margaritas. "Margaritas," in the context of this post, is used symbolically to represent your sexual gratification by the women that the poster says you think should just be handed to you as if they were second hand blenders intended to blend your "margaritas."

I have not personally read the posts that Piobaire is referencing where you've said people should offer up women to you. But if Piobaire has read these posts of yours, their comment is entirely valid criticism. I agree that women shouldn't be treated like objects to possess for one's own sexual gratification. If that's the way you view things, Marknis, then Piobaire is in the right for calling you out and telling you that's unrealistic and inappropriate. The ending advice about losing the self-pity because people find it repellent is on point, too.

It seems you just really dislike hearing criticism that you need to hear.


No, I do not view women that way. Piobaire took my post out of context as well. I was telling him that he was wrong for claiming I have "white male privelege" and I don't have the things SJWs and extreme leftists accuse me of having.

And it seems you need to get your facts straight before you open your damn mouth.


Excuse me? :? That was rude.

You are the one who directed me to read that post. I read it & commented on the facts of it just fine.

Again, it seems that you lash out at anyone who disagrees with you or criticizes you or tells you the inconvenient truths that you need to hear. You need to learn how to accept criticism, reflect on it, and use it to make positive changes to yourself and in your life instead of discounting it as valueless and saying nasty things to the people taking time out of their day to give you helpful feedback.


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04 Apr 2018, 4:07 pm

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...claiming I have "white male privelege" and I don't have the things SJWs and extreme leftists accuse me of having.



Where did Piobaire say this? Because I went back and read through the thread and didn't find it.

Specifically, where did he say you have White Male Privilege?


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04 Apr 2018, 4:09 pm

Luhluhluh wrote:
Honestly, I have to wonder if a few of your problems with people stem from issues with comprehension.

The margarita post for example. As it's already been pointed out, that was a metaphor. You didn't understand it, and you got upset. It makes me wonder how often that happens, where someone says or does something and you've taken it the wrong way and gotten upset over it.

You've mentioned before about how people scowl at you. I have to wonder if you're not seeing people just with their regular face, and taken it as being a scowl, when in reality it's not - people don't normally walk around with big smiles on their faces all the time.

Some people who are hyper sensitive take things the wrong way a lot. My mother for example takes things the wrong way a lot and it's because she's depressed and she has this persecution complex. It's annoying for everyone around her.

I don't know. It's just a thought.


Or perhaps people really do scowl more in Marknis' presence. It may be an involuntary reaction on their part, reflecting right back the same vibe that Marknis is putting out there. People tend to scowl not only when they're upset or frustrated, but as a sort of defence mechanism when others are scowling in their direction as if to say "Defence shields up. Take your negative vibe away from me!" Maybe Marknis doesn't realize the extent to which he scowls himself and that's why he gets that reaction from others? Or maybe he has the Aspie trait of a very "blank," facial expression and it's concerning to others if he comes across as mad or creepy through no fault of his own. Either way, though, I think it's entirely possible that people do scowl more around him and he's observant enough to notice it.. but just hasn't connected the dots to figure out why just yet.


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04 Apr 2018, 4:12 pm

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...claiming I have "white male privelege" and I don't have the things SJWs and extreme leftists accuse me of having.



Where did Piobaire say this? Because I went back and read through the thread and didn't find it.

Specifically, where did he say you have White Male Privilege?


I didn't read anywhere where anyone posted it, either, however.. if Marknis is indeed a white male in America, then he does in fact benefit from white privilege - just as I do here in Canada as a mostly-white male. Apparently there's some Native blood in our family tree, so I tan fairly well in the Summer, but by & large I'm a tall white male and thus receive the societal and social benefits of that whether I want it or not. It's a very real thing whether Marknis realizes it or not. Perhaps he just wishes to think of himself as underprivileged in every possible way in order to reinforce his negative self perception.


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04 Apr 2018, 4:18 pm

^^delusion of persecution. Already the avatar tells it all. Don't blame him, i'm sure it is unconscious.



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04 Apr 2018, 4:19 pm

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Luhluhluh wrote:
Honestly, I have to wonder if a few of your problems with people stem from issues with comprehension.

The margarita post for example. As it's already been pointed out, that was a metaphor. You didn't understand it, and you got upset. It makes me wonder how often that happens, where someone says or does something and you've taken it the wrong way and gotten upset over it.

You've mentioned before about how people scowl at you. I have to wonder if you're not seeing people just with their regular face, and taken it as being a scowl, when in reality it's not - people don't normally walk around with big smiles on their faces all the time.

Some people who are hyper sensitive take things the wrong way a lot. My mother for example takes things the wrong way a lot and it's because she's depressed and she has this persecution complex. It's annoying for everyone around her.

I don't know. It's just a thought.


Or perhaps people really do scowl more in Marknis' presence. It may be an involuntary reaction on their part, reflecting right back the same vibe that Marknis is putting out there. People tend to scowl not only when they're upset or frustrated, but as a sort of defence mechanism when others are scowling in their direction as if to say "Defence shields up. Take your negative vibe away from me!" Maybe Marknis doesn't realize the extent to which he scowls himself and that's why he gets that reaction from others? Or maybe he has the Aspie trait of a very "blank," facial expression and it's concerning to others if he comes across as mad or creepy through no fault of his own. Either way, though, I think it's entirely possible that people do scowl more around him and he's observant enough to notice it.. but just hasn't connected the dots to figure out why just yet.


It could be and it's entirely possible it's an unfortunate cycle of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The only way out of that is to become more aware of ones behavior around others and it's a hard habit to break.


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04 Apr 2018, 4:32 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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...claiming I have "white male privelege" and I don't have the things SJWs and extreme leftists accuse me of having.



Where did Piobaire say this? Because I went back and read through the thread and didn't find it.

Specifically, where did he say you have White Male Privilege?


I didn't read anywhere where anyone posted it, either, however.. if Marknis is indeed a white male in America, then he does in fact benefit from white privilege - just as I do here in Canada as a mostly-white male. Apparently there's some Native blood in our family tree, so I tan fairly well in the Summer, but by & large I'm a tall white male and thus receive the societal and social benefits of that whether I want it or not. It's a very real thing whether Marknis realizes it or not. Perhaps he just wishes to think of himself as underprivileged in every possible way in order to reinforce his negative self perception.

What privileges are afforded to white people specifically and universally in western countries?



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04 Apr 2018, 4:36 pm

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The one who said I drank margaritas and wanted a "slut" immediately became the first to be added onto my foe list.


(you may put on your foes long list as well)



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04 Apr 2018, 4:38 pm

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The sick thing about my detractors is that they claim to hate my threads but have a compulsion to post in them.


Likely because they're frustrated by reading your never ending negative self talk and complaints and would prefer to read you post anything positive at all about yourself, things you're trying, things you're learning, things you're changing or improving, or anything else in your life.

There's only so long that people will be soft and kind and encourage you before they get frustrated with you shooting down their every attempt to help you and then just be very blunt in their reactions to you. They get to a point where reading your complaints seem like a constant cry for attention and sympathy and they don't have any more to give. They see little point in giving you a quick fix of sympathy that does absolutely nothing to improve you or your situation & would rather give you the blunt advice they think you need to hear instead.

I don't think anyone here particularly dislikes you. They're just growing tired of seeing the same negativity and complaints over and over and over again instead of any small glimmers of hope & change and an effort on your part to help yourself. That's my observation.

^^^^ THIS!

You prove nothing to anyone by posting the same negative crap day in and day out. People have given you some very good advice about things you can do to better your situation, but all you do is shoot down any suggestion someone comes up with.
Nobody wants to read about how much you think your life sucks because you don't have a gf over and over again.



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04 Apr 2018, 4:48 pm

Don't think he is actually looking for advise/help. He is looking for imaginary persecutors, that way remaining the center of attention.

I'm sorry to say that. In other posts, I really took time to construct elaborated responses that I know would have helped (helped someone who would be seeking for help). Those responses remained completely ignored.

Again, don't blame him, I think it is unconscious