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SabbraCadabra
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12 Jun 2018, 3:36 pm

I'm usually pretty okay about not correcting people (unless I'm trying to be funny), but it seriously drives me up the wall when people say "would of" or "should of", etc.


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12 Jun 2018, 10:34 pm

The problem with failed grammar is that often it betrays erroneous thinking.

There is a person who infrequently posts at WP who has atrocious grammar. Not just colloquially different, but sentences lacking a verb, etc. Unless you state your thought with the proper relationships between words, you can't get your point across. I've mentioned this to the person, but he seems uninterested in what I am saying. So I've given up on communicating with him.

No fair trying to guess who I'm talking about - it doesn't matter, anyway.


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14 Jun 2018, 1:22 pm

Fnord wrote:
Your upset because they're grammar ain't write?

;)

I c wat u did thar.



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14 Jun 2018, 1:31 pm

What do you want....good grammar or good taste?



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14 Jun 2018, 1:33 pm

Stardust Parade wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Your upset because they're grammar ain't write?
I c wat u did thar.
Thank you.

Yes, homonym confusion bothers me too. Their / there / they're and other example set my teeth on edge.

Oh, and they're pronounced "feb-ROO-airy" not "feb-YOO-airy", "noo-KLEE-er" not "noo-KEW-ler", "ASK" not "AKS", "DIE-late" not "DIE-uh-late", "ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:


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14 Jun 2018, 2:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
Stardust Parade wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Your upset because they're grammar ain't write?
I c wat u did thar.
Thank you.

Yes, homonym confusion bothers me too. Their / there / they're and other example set my teeth on edge.

Oh, and they're pronounced "feb-ROO-airy" not "feb-YOO-airy", "noo-KLEE-er" not "noo-KEW-ler", "ASK" not "AKS", "DIE-late" not "DIE-uh-late", "ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:

Are you ready to invoke the nucular option?


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14 Jun 2018, 3:38 pm

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..."ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:

Expresso coffee.


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14 Jun 2018, 3:51 pm

BeaArthur wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Stardust Parade wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Your upset because they're grammar ain't write?
I c wat u did thar.
Thank you.

Yes, homonym confusion bothers me too. Their / there / they're and other example set my teeth on edge.

Oh, and they're pronounced "feb-ROO-airy" not "feb-YOO-airy", "noo-KLEE-er" not "noo-KEW-ler", "ASK" not "AKS", "DIE-late" not "DIE-uh-late", "ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:

Are you ready to invoke the nucular option?
Not at this juncture...


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14 Jun 2018, 3:57 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
I'm usually pretty okay about not correcting people (unless I'm trying to be funny), but it seriously drives me up the wall when people say "would of" or "should of", etc.

Me too.
Makes me scream have! in my head.


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14 Jun 2018, 7:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
Oh, and they're pronounced "feb-ROO-airy" not "feb-YOO-airy", "noo-KLEE-er" not "noo-KEW-ler", "ASK" not "AKS", "DIE-late" not "DIE-uh-late", "ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:

And it's aloo-MIN-ee-um, not a-LOO-mnmnmnmnmn (even in Yorkshire!) :wink:

Dialects and accents fascinate me; I've been exposed to so many, and been thoroughly baffled by some, for most of my life. Written English, I'm much more fastidious about unless it's meant to be eye-dialect for effect. Maybe all the technical writing that I've done over the years has affected that; I don't pretend that I'm anywhere near as good as a professional proof-reader or copy-editor, but I'm drawn to precision. It's not unusual for me to take 30 minutes or more to write a post of this length, just fiddling with word choices and copy/pasting clauses (of course, there's always a glaring error when I see the post again next day (and still too many parentheses (that'll be the coding coming out!))).


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17 Jun 2018, 2:04 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Oh, and they're pronounced "feb-ROO-airy" not "feb-YOO-airy", "noo-KLEE-er" not "noo-KEW-ler", "ASK" not "AKS", "DIE-late" not "DIE-uh-late", "ESS-cape" not "EX-cape" ... :evil:

And it's aloo-MIN-ee-um, not a-LOO-mnmnmnmnmn (even in Yorkshire!) :wink:

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In the States you put the emphasis on LUM, and not on "min".

But in both Britain and in the USA there are regions where folks cant pronounce the letter "r".

With half of the English speaking world you cant tell whether they are going to "the potty", or going to "the party"! :twisted:



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17 Jun 2018, 2:23 pm

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With half of the English speaking world you cant tell whether they are going to "the potty", or going to "the party"!

Interesting choice of example. In most British accents, the vowels of those two words would be very distinct, even when the pronunciation is non-rhotic. I was always jealous of my Grandad's rolled Rs, and his Scots accent generally, but my own idiolect is completely non-rhotic (I've managed to collect most English forms of glottal stop, though - laziness, I think; I can't resist eliding half the consonants in every sentence!)


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19 Jun 2018, 10:06 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
With half of the English speaking world you cant tell whether they are going to "the potty", or going to "the party"!

Interesting choice of example. In most British accents, the vowels of those two words would be very distinct, even when the pronunciation is non-rhotic. I was always jealous of my Grandad's rolled Rs, and his Scots accent generally, but my own idiolect is completely non-rhotic (I've managed to collect most English forms of glottal stop, though - laziness, I think; I can't resist eliding half the consonants in every sentence!)


WE...of the midwestern USA dialect, do it right! Lol!
But seriously... we DO do it probably like the Brits of Shakespeare's time did it.

We don't roll our r's like the Scotland folks do, and like some other regions of Britain do.
But we do actually pronounce the r, unlike upper class Brits, and unlike New Yorkers.

New Yorkers not only don't pronounce their r's they put r's where they don't belong: at the end of words that end with "a". They address ladies named "Lisa" as "Leezer". They talk about countries named "Chiner", and diseases called "sciatick-her".



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19 Jun 2018, 10:42 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
With half of the English speaking world you cant tell whether they are going to "the potty", or going to "the party"!

Interesting choice of example. In most British accents, the vowels of those two words would be very distinct, even when the pronunciation is non-rhotic. I was always jealous of my Grandad's rolled Rs, and his Scots accent generally, but my own idiolect is completely non-rhotic (I've managed to collect most English forms of glottal stop, though - laziness, I think; I can't resist eliding half the consonants in every sentence!)


WE...of the midwestern USA dialect, do it right! Lol!
But seriously... we DO do it probably like the Brits of Shakespeare's time did it.

We don't roll our r's like the Scotland folks do, and like some other regions of Britain do.
But we do actually pronounce the r, unlike upper class Brits, and unlike New Yorkers.

New Yorkers not only don't pronounce their r's they put r's where they don't belong: at the end of words that end with "a". They address ladies named "Lisa" as "Leezer". They talk about countries named "Chiner", and diseases called "sciatick-her".
There's actually a pretty complex pronunciation rule behind that called the "intrusive R" where a word ending a in vowel(usually the schwa sound) followed by a word beginning with a vowel sound it's connected with an R sound. This usually happens in non-rhotic accents like an English accent or a New Yorker accent.

Anyway...I'm pretty sure this wasn't a thread about who has the right accent(if something like this exists), I'm pretty sure someone wanted know how to deal with his interest not being taken very seriously.

Maybe this thread does show that there are a lot of people who care about grammar and the right way to speak English, so OP doesn't have to feel alone...except for that fact that there's even disagreement on what's supposed to be correct in the first place.

Boy this thread got complicated, haha!

But I guess it shows that there's a next level to just simple grammar as people are willing to talk about these things in the first place.

Welcome home, I guess ^^



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20 Jun 2018, 12:56 am

I sometimes get weird looks when I say "drawing", because most people here pronounce it with an 'r' sound in the middle, like "snoring", but I don't.

Anyway, back on point, I decided to get a job in the copyediting/proofreading field, so my pedanticism is at least appreciated some of the time, if not in everyday conversation :)



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04 Aug 2018, 1:49 pm

It happened again. I was in a chat server that I frequently use, and somebody posted a news article that had “everyday” in the subhead where it should’ve been “every day.” I pointed it out, and a guy said “I know you say you don’t do this to be smug, but situations like this make it highly dubious.” I didn’t even correct a person there; I just corrected an article that was linked. I pointed it out because it’s a professional news outlet and should be better than that. I’m really not trying to be smug; I just want people to be aware of what’s correct so they don’t screw it up. They may say they don’t care, but there will be times where their grammar is important. I want to help people, and I get insulted in return. I’m unhappy.