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03 Nov 2018, 9:32 pm

B19, thanks for your supportive and very kind message. It's uplifting to know that you might have felt as lost as me at one time but got through it.

Your idea is exciting, I will try to write a song for you all here if I can. I look up to you, you're a noble and wise woman.

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Fifasy, I am sorry you are feeling down, especially after getting your guitar luthiered. I second B19s comments about how you are attractive and nice and interesting. I think whatever you are going through right now is temporary. As I have said before, when I am down (and I can still get pretty down), intellectually I know I will feel better, but emotionally, I feel like I will always be miserable for all time and life (and I) am not worth it. But it does pass.

I have had a traumatic relationship with playing music. I have always enjoyed it. What I am doing now is picking at a banjo and not taking any lessons or doing it with any plan. This has helped me most with my music. I'm not very good, but I get enjoyment about any little new thing that I "get", a new chord progression, whatever. I know what you mean about the chords, by not knowing how to strum, or pick, where the emphasis should be, or even what word that new chord starts on. Frequently the charts are not helpful in that latter respect. My ear is not especially good. My mother had perfect pitch and I bet that made things a lot easier. I have to listen and listen and listen. If I can't get something, eventually, I'll try a different song and then come back later.

When I decided to learn banjo, oh my goodness, I thought I would never get anywhere. I could barely pick out "Aunt Rhody" an American tune I think about a dead goose. It has only two chords, G and D. I nearly quit right then. It's been about three or maybe four years of just picking around when I can. Now I have dozens of songs I can pick my way through and a few of them even sound reasonably good. And, I bought a Whyte Laydie banjo reproduction that sounds great. I think that was analogous to your getting your guitar tuned up by the luthier.

What kind of music are you playing?


Thank you for the generous compliments. I kind of know what you mean about intellectual vs. emotional understanding of periods of happiness. It's possible to know that the feelings in you are extreme and maybe not justified but at the time you experience them they are still quite overwhelming. I'm shocked you feel like that sometimes actually, I didn't get that sense you were that kind of person but maybe I'm naive when it comes to understanding people.

It's great you managed to persevere with the banjo. It's a very cheerful sounding instrument in my opinion so I'm guessing it's fun to play.

The songs I've been learning are ones by Bob Dylan, The Beautiful South and Metallica, a few other pop songs too. How about yourself, what music do you play on the banjo?



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04 Nov 2018, 8:25 am

From age 21 til 35 and counting, I have been similar to what you described

No children, no significant other,

A couple of minimum wage jobs that fired me

No job skills that all the other ghetto lil riffraff do not also know how to do

Do not know how to do anything, except extremely simple things.

Do not know how to cook, parallel parking, whatever

It's like every day is a question of how to waste it in the least wrong method

:jester:


No job, hobbies, goals


Failure

Social rejection



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04 Nov 2018, 10:44 am

Fifasy, I posted a long post this morning about me and music and so on and it seems to have disappeared. This happens to me from time to time. I had really worked on it. :-(
I will try to redo the jist of it before the end of the day. Am in the middle of something now.


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04 Nov 2018, 2:45 pm

Trying again. :-)

I don't think you are naive, Fifasy. I just don't post much about feeling bad. I am a pattern learner and I have learned this pattern very well. I will go down for a day or three days or 10, but I do come up eventually again. I have no idea why I go down, nor any idea why I come back up, although I do have various practices that probably help. It is like bad weather, or the flu. You can get so awful sick. Fever, achy all over, vomiting, etc. etc. to the point that after a few days you just hope the lord takes you because this is just too awful. You know you aren't going to die from the flu (at least most don't) and you know you will get better, but when you are in the middle of it, it really s*ks. And just so you know, when I am down, I need a lot of naps, eat junk food, and am totally unmotivated even by music or canoeing or the things I really love.

Back to music. I am familiar with Dylan, of course; some of his songs are very powerful. I don't know the other two you mention. Some of the songs I play that you might know: The Water is Wide (covered by many artists), English artist Ralph McTell, probably before your time. I've been playing "Streets of London." From elsewhere in GB, some of Christy Moore (Sixteen Fishermen Ravin and So do I). Canadians Gordon Lightfoot and Stan Rogers. Australian John Williamson . Have you ever listened to Kate Wolf? She has a lovely voice and style. Tom Paxton and Phil Ochs.

A new twist on The Water is Wide, an essentially very sad song about love, is changed to positive love by Mustard's Retreat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=96CVhI8_Y4k

What Dylan songs are you working on?


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04 Nov 2018, 3:50 pm

That song has a sweet melody. :)

I've been learning Mr Tambourine Man and Blowin' in the Wind by Dylan. I like Streets of London by Ralph McTell, I'm also fond of Roger Whittaker's cover version. I'm not familiar with most the musicians you mention but I like Phil Och's song When I'm Gone and Kate Wolf's Close to You.

Do you spend a long time practicing? I'm aiming to get more practice in soon now I've had the guitar set up better. Before it got done I was doing about half an hour a day. I should be able to manage 45-60 minutes now at least, since the strings are less painful to press and strum.

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
From age 21 til 35 and counting, I have been similar to what you described

No children, no significant other,

A couple of minimum wage jobs that fired me

No job skills that all the other ghetto lil riffraff do not also know how to do

Do not know how to do anything, except extremely simple things.

Do not know how to cook, parallel parking, whatever

It's like every day is a question of how to waste it in the least wrong method

:jester:


No job, hobbies, goals


Failure

Social rejection


You never know what's around the corner though. I often find inspiration searching random YouTube videos.



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04 Nov 2018, 4:32 pm

playing games. reading whatever i can find. sometimes rarely watching films. informational intake helps things. to a degree, ofc. there is a lot of fiction beyond published and logged, and some of it quite good. wont advice anything, what i select might be not ur cup of tea tho. but generally, maybe, try that?)


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04 Nov 2018, 5:24 pm

I took a look at Blowing in the Wind and Tambourine Man, so I'll try them out tonight -- give me some inspiration to try something new. I do play Phil Ochs "When I'm Gone." Now there's a sad song to listen to, especially when you find out it did kill himself. I also play Ochs' "Changes." Another sad song. I tend to like songs in minor keys.

When I play, it is 1/2 - 1 hour before my fingers and/or brain run out of energy. With the banjo, you aren't supposed to have to press the strings so tightly, but I still find I need some strength and calluses on my fingers. When I started it was blisters, oh my goodness. But I don't play every day. Having be forced to practice and having learned a lot of bad habits as a result, I just consider it noodling around. I don't play banjo like most people do. I pick and strum like on a guitar. I don't use finger picks. I play an open back banjo, no resonator to make it blaringly loud. Just a quiet little picking. Can't play guitar because my fingers/hands are not big enough.

Kate Wolf does a lot of sweet love songs, but this song is perky and has a funny punch line at the very end...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWc3H28t3uQ

For Kate Wolf songs, I am fair on Green Eyes and am working on Across the Great Divide.

Have you got other Ralph McTell songs you like?


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04 Nov 2018, 6:00 pm

fifasy wrote:
That song has a sweet melody. :)

I've been learning Mr Tambourine Man and Blowin' in the Wind by Dylan. I like Streets of London by Ralph McTell, I'm also fond of Roger Whittaker's cover version. I'm not familiar with most the musicians you mention but I like Phil Och's song When I'm Gone and Kate Wolf's Close to You.

Do you spend a long time practicing? I'm aiming to get more practice in soon now I've had the guitar set up better. Before it got done I was doing about half an hour a day. I should be able to manage 45-60 minutes now at least, since the strings are less painful to press and strum.

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
From age 21 til 35 and counting, I have been similar to what you described

No children, no significant other,

A couple of minimum wage jobs that fired me

No job skills that all the other ghetto lil riffraff do not also know how to do

Do not know how to do anything, except extremely simple things.

Do not know how to cook, parallel parking, whatever

It's like every day is a question of how to waste it in the least wrong method

:jester:


No job, hobbies, goals


Failure

Social rejection


You never know what's around the corner though. I often find inspiration searching random YouTube videos.



:mrgreen:


Your statement is correct.

The best case scenario is that, what is around the corner, is :heart: whooptie do :evil:

The worst case scenario is that what is around the corner is, subject to imagination :mrgreen:


For example, if someone gets hit by a car, it takes a lot of time, money and energy and skill to fix

But something good, is often temporary and insignificant

:mrgreen:



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05 Nov 2018, 9:50 am

That punchline at the end is nice!

I think you'll probably find those two Dylan songs quite easy, I'm trying to play them with arpeggio chords instead of strumming because I think they sound more moving done like that.

Let Me Down Easy has a pleasant melody. Hesitation Blues makes me smile. From Clare to Here strikes a chord too (forgive the pun) because I've moved from different areas far away a few times.

Do you ever upload files of yourself playing? It would be good to hear you.



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05 Nov 2018, 10:12 am

Are you feeling any better, fifasy?


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05 Nov 2018, 10:24 am

Yeah, much better, Bea. It's nice to hear from you again. How are you?



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05 Nov 2018, 6:13 pm

fifasy wrote:
That punchline at the end is nice!

I think you'll probably find those two Dylan songs quite easy, I'm trying to play them with arpeggio chords instead of strumming because I think they sound more moving done like that.

Let Me Down Easy has a pleasant melody. Hesitation Blues makes me smile. From Clare to Here strikes a chord too (forgive the pun) because I've moved from different areas far away a few times.

Do you ever upload files of yourself playing? It would be good to hear you.


The Dylan songs have easy chords, but that doesn't mean its easy to make them sound good if you (me) can't do much with them. If a song is in 4/4, then I am pretty much on the beat and, for example for a G chord, I am playing the notes: G. B. D. B// and so on. So for Blowing in the Wind, this does not sound too bad. But for Mr. Tambourine Man it is deadly because of all the repeats. I do not know how to make that kind of song better (by me.) I run into songs that I like all the time that I can't make sound good due to my limited knowledge. But I keep working on it and little by little something new comes through. :D

Let Me Down Easy - a country/western sound. I did like the first stanza lyric and the melody is pleasant I agree. Hesitation Blues is, well, Blues...why does it make you smile? From Clare to Here. I need to look more into McTell's repertoire. I may purchase the first and third for my own listening.

I don't record and upload. And I really am not much for listening to for a bunch of reasons. One is that I have a sequencing dysfunction of some kind and I cannot play the simplest piece without a mistake or many. Plus I have trouble getting musicality into my playing. In retrospect, I think this has something to do with the aspie stuff, but also I had such terrible childhood instruction,...as in...P.L.A.Y.T.O.A.M.E.T.R.O.N.O.M.E. :D :D :D :D

However, if you have sometime I can listen to online, please let us know. :D

I am guessing, are you looking to play like McTell in From Clare to Here?

I am so glad you are feeling better.


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06 Nov 2018, 5:33 am

If I ever get any good I'll upload something. To play like McTell would be a blessing. I don't see it happening though. :) You never know.

Hesitation Blues seems to be a paean to procrastinating in parts of the song. That's why it makes me smile, also the jaunty style sounds like good ol' American raucous fun. :D



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06 Nov 2018, 6:32 pm

This was fun. Feel free to PM if you ever want to share songs or techniques or whatever.


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06 Nov 2018, 6:43 pm

Nothing refines talent so much as a vision of your goals coupled with persistence. I know you can do it, though every such journey involves travelling through the ups and downs on the way, and your fans here are going to be delighted to watch you travel toward the fulfilment of your goals. I believe in the depths of talent within you yet to be released and nursed to full expression. Perhaps you will be famous one day.



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06 Nov 2018, 10:18 pm

fifasy wrote:
To play like McTell would be a blessing.

But do find some time to play like fifasy, too!

There's nothing wrong with striving for a good rendition, nor being inspired another player's rendition, of course; but I'd advise you to be wary of striving too much to play like anyone else. It can become a fool's errand, as there will always be a difference if you look close enough - and that's the whole reason that listening to cover versions, or even a different performance by the same artist, can be so satisfying.

Whatever technical exercises you do, or songs you write or cover, try to make a little time for just messing around. I find that this particularly helps with fingering and timing, as you can get your muscle memories trained without the distraction of constantly comparing the result to your intent. It's amazing how many bass playing techniques I've picked up through sheer serendipity when messing around during a warm-up or wind-down from serious practice.

Always remember, you don't "use" or "work" a musical instrument - you "play" it! :D


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