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30 Mar 2020, 5:53 pm

Well how are we suppose to know if they are real if no one has ever seen one in action?



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30 Mar 2020, 6:29 pm

It's OK - China got the whole world into this mess, China can get the whole world out. I don't know what the hell happened in this so-called lab of theirs but it only took one careless person to begin this pandemic. I hope they realise that they have just brought doom to the whole planet. Maybe if and when this will be all over, the whole world will pay China back by going to war with them. I have nothing against Chinese people but I do have a problem with the Chinese government and the stupid careless scientist in the lab. :roll:


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30 Mar 2020, 7:39 pm

Joe90 wrote:
It's OK - China got the whole world into this mess, China can get the whole world out. I don't know what the hell happened in this so-called lab of theirs but it only took one careless person to begin this pandemic. I hope they realise that they have just brought doom to the whole planet. Maybe if and when this will be all over, the whole world will pay China back by going to war with them. I have nothing against Chinese people but I do have a problem with the Chinese government and the stupid careless scientist in the lab. :roll:


The most current news I've read is saying that the virus was natural in its origin rather than manipulated by people. I certainly believe that it's possible that with more information gained over time that current theory could change and we very well could find out it was created by humans. If so, the country of origin should pay dearly. I'm against wars in general so I would opt for monetary reparations.



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31 Mar 2020, 6:08 am

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It is common to have fears. But the key question is what are YOU going to do about it. Most people do nothing. I protect some of my essential electronics by placing them in a Faraday cage.


Well, I guess that is still good advice. What electronics do you store in yours?


I protect a short wave radio, a digital voltmeter, an electronic nuclear radiation detector. I also protect my digital camera and video camera (these are not essential but I would not want to lose them). I also protect a portable computer.

Jimmy, does your geiger counter detect a,b,g, etc? Is a GMC-320-Plus sufficient in your opinion?


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31 Mar 2020, 3:32 pm

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But as far as I can tell, EMP cannot be created without a nuclear explosion though, right? It seems that the idea of an EMP bomb is just a theory, but not a proven fact yet. Unless there are such things and I am wrong?


Not only do they exist they’re in active use, though I’m more worried about a solar event.

Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) Edit
Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NNEMP) is a weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse without use of nuclear technology. Devices that can achieve this objective include a large low-inductance capacitor bank discharged into a single-loop antenna, a microwave generator, and an explosively pumped flux compression generator. To achieve the frequency characteristics of the pulse needed for optimal coupling into the target, wave-shaping circuits or microwave generators are added between the pulse source and the antenna. Vircators are vacuum tubes that are particularly suitable for microwave conversion of high-energy pulses.[7]

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles (such as the CHAMP missile) and drones, with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects, but without the consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

The range of NNEMP weapons is much less than nuclear EMP. Nearly all NNEMP devices used as weapons require chemical explosives as their initial energy source, producing only 10−6 (one millionth) the energy of nuclear explosives of similar weight.[8] The electromagnetic pulse from NNEMP weapons must come from within the weapon, while nuclear weapons generate EMP as a secondary effect.[9] These facts limit the range of NNEMP weapons, but allow finer target discrimination. The effect of small e-bombs has proven to be sufficient for certain terrorist or military operations.[citation needed] Examples of such operations include the destruction of electronic control systems critical to the operation of many ground vehicles and aircraft.


Honestly I find a solar event less worrying in a way because it's a lot crueler if its man-made.



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31 Mar 2020, 3:51 pm

I hate to see suffering, and would never personally harm a person or animal unless it was self-defense. I love a good crisis though, to me it's quite energizing. Granted, I have a bit of a twisted mind. I am fascinated by disasters like hurricanes and tornadoes and would love to see one in person. As cold as it may sound though, perhaps the loss of some of the older and physically ill members of society might not be such a bad thing. It happens in the animal kingdom all the time. Humans just think it is "mean" not to want to save everyone, even though that is not necessarily what is best for the species or society. I'm sorry if I offend you, that's just how I see things. I lost two grandparents to dementia, and for me it was better to see them dead than to watch them languish in a vegetative state. They were just a burden to their families and society at that point. As I said, I know I'm cold and probably lack empathy, but I blame some of it on ASD. I also don't like being around senile older people. I work around them and so many are either rude and mean and treat you like a slave or obnoxious and highly annoying. Older people are fine as long as they are not walking around like they are dazed and driving inconsiderately. If coronavirus eliminates some of those people, all the better. As for society collapsing? I hope it does. Society as it is now sucks, as do probably 80 percent of humanity. BRING ON THE DISASTERS!! !! !! MWAHAHAHA!! !! :twisted: :twisted:

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31 Mar 2020, 4:59 pm

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I hate to see suffering, and would never personally harm a person or animal unless it was self-defense. I love a good crisis though, to me it's quite energizing. Granted, I have a bit of a twisted mind. I am fascinated by disasters like hurricanes and tornadoes and would love to see one in person. As cold as it may sound though, perhaps the loss of some of the older and physically ill members of society might not be such a bad thing. It happens in the animal kingdom all the time. Humans just think it is "mean" not to want to save everyone, even though that is not necessarily what is best for the species or society. I'm sorry if I offend you, that's just how I see things. I lost two grandparents to dementia, and for me it was better to see them dead than to watch them languish in a vegetative state. They were just a burden to their families and society at that point. As I said, I know I'm cold and probably lack empathy, but I blame some of it on ASD. I also don't like being around senile older people. I work around them and so many are either rude and mean and treat you like a slave or obnoxious and highly annoying. Older people are fine as long as they are not walking around like they are dazed and driving inconsiderately. If coronavirus eliminates some of those people, all the better. As for society collapsing? I hope it does. Society as it is now sucks, as do probably 80 percent of humanity. BRING ON THE DISASTERS!! ! ! ! ! MWAHAHAHA!! ! ! :twisted: :twisted:

It's fine if you disagree, but you won't change my mind. Yep, I'm an evil bi*ch, most likely.


I sometimes feel where you are coming from, but at the same time it is so horrifying. It's not so much about old things disappearing (which arguably isn't so bad) but my own personal survival being jeopardized by the other crazy people in such a scenario. I also mentioned airplanes before, it's not fair that people die because of a consequence of just happening to be somewhere at a certain time/place. I can understand older people, but they already had a life to live.



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01 Apr 2020, 2:47 pm

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Okay well, if they are in active use, what are some events in history where an EMP bomb was detonated then?

Apparently they being used in the war on terror to take out the bad guys tech and radios before they send troops in.


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01 Apr 2020, 9:23 pm

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I sometimes feel where you are coming from, but at the same time it is so horrifying. It's not so much about old things disappearing (which arguably isn't so bad) but my own personal survival being jeopardized by the other crazy people in such a scenario. I also mentioned airplanes before, it's not fair that people die because of a consequence of just happening to be somewhere at a certain time/place. I can understand older people, but they already had a life to live.


When you think about it, it's not natural for humans to travel by airplane to other parts of the world. Human behavior like that is higher risk behavior than we think. It's most obvious when a plane, a man made metal contraption, goes down and everyone on board dies as a result. It wasn't natural for them to fly; it was an unnatural way for them to die.

Aside from extremely arduous and dangerous journeys in boats across the oceans, the human race eons ago was diversified by being separated by those oceans and therefore had a greater chance of protection from pandemics. Not so any longer. My assertion is that while continuous global air travel is commonplace, ubiquitous, it's not natural and certainly not without high risk to our entire race as we're seeing now.



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21 Apr 2020, 6:02 pm

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It's OK - China got the whole world into this mess, China can get the whole world out. I don't know what the hell happened in this so-called lab of theirs but it only took one careless person to begin this pandemic. I hope they realise that they have just brought doom to the whole planet. Maybe if and when this will be all over, the whole world will pay China back by going to war with them. I have nothing against Chinese people but I do have a problem with the Chinese government and the stupid careless scientist in the lab. :roll:


The most current news I've read is saying that the virus was natural in its origin rather than manipulated by people. I certainly believe that it's possible that with more information gained over time that current theory could change and we very well could find out it was created by humans. If so, the country of origin should pay dearly. I'm against wars in general so I would opt for monetary reparations.

If people in China would just use common sense and not eat weird animals they find in the woods that are kept, butchered, and prepared under inhumane and unsanitary conditions, maybe plagues and diseases wouldn't start there. I don't understand why China is still so backward when it comes to sanitary food practices and animal welfare. No only does the whole world suffer for it, but so do the poor innocent animals.


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21 Apr 2020, 11:33 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Okay well, if they are in active use, what are some events in history where an EMP bomb was detonated then?

Apparently they being used in the war on terror to take out the bad guys tech and radios before they send troops in.


Oh okay, but who says this though?