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16 Dec 2020, 5:14 pm

I see the admins edited the original title of my post.

Makes me wonder if they're trying to hide something.



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16 Dec 2020, 5:17 pm

dorkseid wrote:
I see the admins edited the original title of my post.

Makes me wonder if they're trying to hide something.


No, I edited it a while ago to stop other users who didn't actually take the time to read your post or disregarded it, and instead reacted to the title at face value, which some had already inevitably done to try to turn it into a left-right thing.



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17 Dec 2020, 7:46 pm

Dear Dorkseid,
What I read is that primarily you were feeling used, then discarded by someone who seems to manipulate people for the purpose of manipulating OTHER people.
Dump the boyfriend, convince those around her SHE was used?
For attention, sympathy, control?
Sounds like you were let down when you most needed to depend on her.
BUT!
Though pulling an infected tooth is painful, and there is healing to go through, it needs to come out.
Though this came at the worst time, you needed her out of your life.
Sounds like she created much drama out of the breakup and basked in attention.
You cannot live with someone like that close to you.
The phrase ‘Good Riddance ‘ comes to mind!


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17 Dec 2020, 10:07 pm

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I've had a bachelor's degree for twelve years, but despite that I could never get a competitive job. There are many jobs I'm qualified for and am fully capable of performing, but I can never get hired because I don't have the skills to network or pass an interview. Every job I've ever had has been a low-paying high-turnover job that immediately hired anyone as soon as they pass the background and drug tests. And even many of those turned me away for being "overqualified".

Dunno if this will yield anything for you, but you might want to look through the thread Autistic-friendly workplaces.

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I've been told that I need to "check my male privilege". That my struggles aren't real or don't count. And this persisted even after I had thoroughly explained that I'm on the spectrum, am suffering from severe anxiety and major depression, and that I was unemployed and homeless. Even after explaining all of that, feminists continued to insist that I was unemployed and homeless because I was too lazy to hold a job.

Yep the feminist movement does need to get better educated about autism. Alas we're probably going to need to build a much bigger and better organized autistic community (subculture) before that can happen.

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I've lost count of how many times gate keepers have told me that, because I'm a straight cis white male, that I cannot be marginalized or discriminated against. I was expelled from a local support group for disclosing that I'm a survivor of multiple sexual assaults.

Aargh...! I'm very sorry to hear this!

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Any time I've attempted to talk about being depressed because I can't get a girlfriend, I'm told that I hate women. That I think I'm entitled to sex. I'm labeled an incel and a misogynist. For the crime of having feelings! And again, this continued to persist even after I had fully explained that I have autism.

Unfortunately, given the current under-development of the autistic community, you are likely to encounter reactions like the above even from all-too-many autistic women. (A better-developed autistic community would, I hope, be able to do more to ensure the safety of autistic women within a predominantly male autistic community. Hopefully this would result in the women being less likely to feel threatened by a man voicing his frustrations.)

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Just think about all the feminist rallies. All the protests. The lectures. Now tell me: where are the marches to support people like us? Where's the affirmative action for all the people on the spectrum who are fully capable of performing many jobs, but can never get hired because we stem or struggle with eye contact? Even in the age of growing movements to support women, immigrants, and the LGBTQ community, and all other minorities; we remain ignored by mainstream society. We remain invisible. We remain hated, even by those who claim to fight for equality and social justice.

There does exist an autistic rights movement, but it has a long way to go. We need to build our community before we can have an effective political movement.

See my Longterm visions for the autistic community.

Every new movement of marginalized people has to struggle to be taken seriously by other, already-existing such movements. The feminist movement, for example, faced a similar uphill battle back in the 1960's and for a while afterward.

I've been intermittently involved in the feminist and LGBT rights movements (I'm bi) starting in the late 1970's, long before the LGBT rights movement became respectable.


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18 Dec 2020, 7:33 pm

Sylkat wrote:
Dear Dorkseid,
What I read is that primarily you were feeling used, then discarded by someone who seems to manipulate people for the purpose of manipulating OTHER people.
Dump the boyfriend, convince those around her SHE was used?
For attention, sympathy, control?
Sounds like you were let down when you most needed to depend on her.
BUT!
Though pulling an infected tooth is painful, and there is healing to go through, it needs to come out.
Though this came at the worst time, you needed her out of your life.
Sounds like she created much drama out of the breakup and basked in attention.
You cannot live with someone like that close to you.
The phrase ‘Good Riddance ‘ comes to mind!


I explained the situation with my ex mostly to provide background information. The points in this thread are more about how everyone else treated me, and feminists in particular.



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18 Dec 2020, 7:59 pm

What you said about job interviews and networking?
One thousand percent correct.


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19 Dec 2020, 7:32 pm

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In my experience, second wave feminists are anti-autism and seem to assume all autistic people are amab and just putting it on in order to force women (they assume all men are straight as well... and don't get me started on their transphobia...) to do emotional labour.

Never mind that not all of us are amab. Never mind that gay autistic guys exist. Never mind that a lot of autistic people are single.

Second wave feminism isn't all the Left or even all feminists.

I think autistic people do a lot of emotional labour because it doesn't come naturally to us so it's harder and more like work. To an NT, a lot of it isn't really work if they're honest about it.

It's why I laugh when people say 'feminists just hate men nowadays'. Most of us are fourth wave now. Third and fourth wave don't hate men because things are more complicated than that. NT, cis het, non-disabled white guys? Sure, there are fourth wave feminists who hate them and they need to stop that cos it gets us nowhere. But the days of the SCUM manifesto are the days when our mothers were growing up.

Based on what I've read about the history of the feminist movement, and based on my experiences with feminist groups in the late 1970's and early 1980's, I think you're over-generalizing about second-wave feminism. The "men are the enemy" idea was always rejected by moderate groups like the National Organization for Women (NOW). Feminists who believed that "men are the enemy" were known as "radical feminists," a distinct subset.

In the late 1960's and early 1970's, the feminist movement was inspired. to a large degree. by the black civil rights movement, and the various different branches of the feminist movement took their inspiration from different parts of the black community. NOW was founded as an "NAACP for women," whereas the radical feminists (and especially the lesbian separatists) modeled themselves on black nationalists.

As I see it, all of the various "waves" of feminism have encompassed a spectrum of views.


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21 Dec 2020, 10:02 pm

I do not comprehend any support group removing a member for expressing a past history of sexual abuse.
I thought that protected disclosure and compassion and encouragement to heal and go forward was the reason for these groups‘ existence.


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