31 Dec 2020, 7:56 pm
16 Feb 2021, 9:25 pm
16 Feb 2021, 9:26 pm
16 Feb 2021, 9:39 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
17 Feb 2021, 11:18 am
ironpony wrote:
Is it possible that more companies can make the vaccines then the ones that have been making, to speed up the process?
Pretty much all available manufacturing facilities are working full speed ahead.
There are new vaccine making places under development/construction Now so that we're better prepared for future pandemics. One is being built for Canada somewhere here in BC I think - Burnaby, maybe. If/when future pandemics happen, the (developed) world will be better prepared to respond faster.
Although, I do recall hearing something about a vaccine maker in Canada that's not making covid vaccines because Canada doesn't have a contract to make the particular Type of vaccine that shop is geared up to produce. So, I'm sure there are other facilities on Earth that aren't being utilized for covid like they Could be - due to contracts and bureaucracy.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.17 Feb 2021, 11:42 am
17 Feb 2021, 11:46 am
17 Feb 2021, 12:07 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
17 Feb 2021, 1:27 pm
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. And there is no way to get past the contracts, or propose your own business contract on it?
Not according to the deals in place.
Canada didn't sign any deals with any of the "traditional," style vaccine projects in order to be allowed to produce and distribute them - only deals to buy the new style MRNA ones afaik. So we can't just go ahead and hire a North Korean hacker to steal a Billion Dollar recipe and start cooking. In a nut shell, we didn't pay for the rights so we can't cook up the concoction.
That's business.. and the business of Big Pharma selling HUGE $ stuff to governments. We're not China; we're not going to just counterfeit it or make our own inferior product and call it good enough - which, btw, the Chinese vaccine is reportedly not nearly as effective as the major world brands coming from the USA, UK, and Germany as per vaccine trials.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
17 Feb 2021, 1:28 pm
ironpony wrote:
Well could you get the recipe and formula to create it?
That's what the contracts are for. We didn't opt to pay for the rights to those ones, so, we can't produce them - we can only buy them from others when they're ready and have them available to sell to us. IF we bought contract options that say we're in line to even buy those ones.
Yes, its vital that the whole world get access to vaccines.. but it's still a multi-Billion dollar bunch of deals, soooo.. yeah.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.17 Feb 2021, 1:48 pm
17 Feb 2021, 6:59 pm
Don't bother. Vaccines will make more difference in everyone's lives sooner if they're equally distributed among '1st world' & developing countries.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
18 Feb 2021, 3:29 am
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Why is Canada not interested in contracting, and just buying from a foreign market then?
From what I recall Canada reserved a few different MRNA (new technology) vaccines from a few different suppliers but none of the longer to develop and test traditional style vaccines from any of the big pharma players that offered all these contracts out to every country with $ to pay. So, since we don't have a facility that can make the new stuff, and that's all we pre-ordered, our vaccine doses have to be made somewhere else and shipped here.. and since the only manufacturing facilities we have here are limited to making the traditional style vaccine based on the equipment they have - we're unable to manufacture any covid vaccines at all. The facility we have is technically capable of manufacturing one of the traditional style covid vaccines, but since Canada didn't pay for the rights to do that, we're not making any. Which is f*****g stupid. They should just strike a deal, pay the bill, and start making & distributing more doses here & abroad - the entire world needs to be vaccinated. Idiots. Use all available vaccine manufacturing capacity and deal with the accounting later.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.18 Feb 2021, 1:53 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
18 Feb 2021, 2:38 pm
ironpony wrote:
When you say pay for the rights to the vaccine, is a covid vaccine copywritten? Are you saying that if Canada were to make it's own vaccine, they are worried about being sued for copying off of copywritten material, or what do you mean?
Big pharmaceutical companies create vaccines. Countries buy them from them OR pay for the rights to the recipe to manufacture them at our own govt owned facilities/Canadian pharmaceutical or vaccine producing corporations.
If we made & tested our own from scratch it would be ours to produce, sell to others, licence the rights to others etc. Except this is not the business of governments, typically, it’s the business of pharmaceutical companies that governments often partner with & fund via grants or loans.
We can’t just steal any of the recipes and counterfeit them. We would be sued. Whoever created them owns the rights to manufacture and sell or licence them to other companies or countries to produce etc. Each of the available vaccines is chemically/structurally different - or in the case of MRNA vaccines, the programming code will likely be slightly different. That’s why they all require their own testing and approval. Much like generic versions of pharmaceutical medications - the formulas are different than the original name brand one; and sometimes better! (As is the case with adhd stimulants)
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.| Similar Topics | |
|---|---|
| Traveling faster than the speed of light. |
16 Dec 2024, 3:35 pm |
| While locking down NYC, COVID czar partied hardy |
25 Sep 2024, 5:17 am |
