I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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26 May 2021, 8:25 am

I don't want to IN THE LEAST, but I have to have it done because I am basically being forced to have it.

I had the option to book it now online or wait to receive a letter from the NHS to get the vaccine done at a local surgery. I'm going to opt for the latter because when I had a look online all the location choices were miles away from my street.
But now brings a new problem. On the letter, will it mention ASD anywhere?
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY: Has anyone here in the UK, with no underlying health conditions, received an invitation for a COVID vaccine because of your age, not because of your brain wiring? What did it say in the letter?

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26 May 2021, 8:30 am

ASD is not considered an "underlying" condition.

We had this discussion already. People who have complex genetic/chromosomal disorders like Down Syndrome and things like that are considered to have an "underlying condition." People with intellectual disability tend to be considered relatively fragile people health-wise.

You don't have an intellectual disability, nor a genetic/chromosomal disorder. You just have slight psychological problems; you probably would have been considered "neurotic" 30 years ago, and not "psychotic." You're a healthy woman, in essence.

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26 May 2021, 8:40 am

Here in New York City, one doesn't need an "invitation."

One can just go into a vaccine site, without an appointment, and get the shot. The only requirement is that the person be 18 years of age or older, and have some sort of ID. For those 12 to 17 years old, they must be accompanied by a parent or guardian.

Yep....we in NYC are darn lucky!

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26 May 2021, 8:42 am

Joe90 wrote:

If I worried about every potential risk then I wouldn't go anywhere, would I?

Exactly, a lot of things you are doing everyday have magnitudes or order higher risks for your health. Sitting for couple hours puts you at like 50 times higher risk of deep vein thrombosis than risk of blood clots associated with vaccination. Your risk of atherosclerosis associated with sugar consumption magnitudes or order higher, etc. If you don't bother about all these risks, there is no reason to worry about vaccination either.

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26 May 2021, 8:54 am

Your boyfriend should take you to get the shot, then buy you ice cream afterwards!

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26 May 2021, 9:55 am

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Have you had bad side effects after taking other vaccines? If not, then it's less likely that you'd have them from this one, either.

These injections are a technology based on messenger RNA.
This has not been used before and as such should not be
compared to conventional vaccines with regard to adverse events.

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Moderna's vaccine platform inserts synthetic nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) into human cells using a coating of lipid nanoparticles. This mRNA then reprograms the cells to prompt immune responses.

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Latest CDC Data Show Reports of Adverse Events After COVID Vaccines Surpass 200,000, Including 943 Among 12- to 17-Year-Olds

VAERS data released today showed 227,805 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 4,201 deaths and 18,528 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 14, 2021.

The number of reported adverse events following COVID vaccines surpassed 200,000 according to data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The data comes directly from reports submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

VAERS is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 14, a total of 227,805 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 4,201 deaths — an increase of 144 over the previous week — and 18,528 serious injuries, up 1,338 since last week.

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Sorry, my bad. I just repeated what a nurse I know told me when I wondered how bad side effects I might get. I assumed she'd know her stuff due to her profession, but looks like she either didn't or she said that to make sure I got the vaccine... which is not as bad as it might sound since I'm immune compromized and was highly recommended to take it anyway.

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26 May 2021, 10:22 am

There has not been a "causal" relationship established which indicated that those 4,000 or so deaths were directly, or indirectly, related to the administration of the vaccines.

Per Reuters

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26 May 2021, 10:29 am

Reports of Adverse Events collect all reports of anything that people claim to happen after taking the vaccine - only later, researchers determine if there is a possibility of any casual relationship.

In other words - people die all the time so no way some wouldn't die after taking the vaccine - for unrelated reasons. And it will show in Reports of Adverse Events.

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26 May 2021, 10:54 am

It's similar to when it was alleged that vaccines caused autism. A "causal relationship."

Kids would be given, say, various vaccines at 1, 2, and 4 months of age-----then develop autistic symptoms when they're about 2 years of age. Many people assumed that those vaccines caused this autism.

However, it has been established that neither vaccines, nor their by-products, cause autism.

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26 May 2021, 11:20 am

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ASD is not considered an "underlying" condition.

I know that, I was asking if anyone on the spectrum without any underlying health conditions have been offered the vaccine because they have autism. Apparently people with autism were one of the top priority groups to get vaccinated, with or without underlying health conditions. When I get a letter through inviting me for a vaccine, will it mention ASD?

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26 May 2021, 11:23 am

I would say there's a 99.99% possibility that it won't mention autism.

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26 May 2021, 11:45 am

The latest statistics say that now they're vaccinating people aged between 30 and 39, so hopefully the reason I got the text message is because of that.

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26 May 2021, 11:54 am

As this injection is stated on the FDA website as Investigational,
wouldn't this mean that no-one is aware of the long term
health implications that this injection may have?

Also shouldn't we be careful of actively coercing the OP into
taking an "investigational" injection when it is contrary
to the Nuremberg code.

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COVID-19 Vaccines

In October 2020, FDA issued guidance on Emergency Use Authorizations for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19 with recommendations for vaccine sponsors regarding the scientific data and information that would support the issuance of an emergency use authorization (EUA) for an investigational vaccine intended to prevent COVID-19.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biol ... dfc10e56a8

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The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/

The Centers for disease and control gave us these
Covid-19 survival rates:

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COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%

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26 May 2021, 11:59 am

Soliloquist wrote:

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COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%

Which does not account for any long-term effects in survivors.
Serious long-term effects of the disease are way more likely (e.g. already known to exist) than any possible still-unknown long-term unwanted effects of the vaccines.

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26 May 2021, 1:09 pm

3 million extra deaths is nothing to sneeze at....

What one should do is do research into the "excess deaths" in any particular area.

And one should also consider "long haul COVID" which has some lousy symptoms you wouldn't get if you didn't acquire COVID. It is estimated that around 10% of people who recovered from COVID pick up "long haul COVID."

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26 May 2021, 2:47 pm

I had mine about two weeks ago because I'm 30 (strangely young compared to others, people in their 20s in work has had theirs already) and it made my arm feel heavy for two days afterwards and that was it. You're more likely to come to harm actually traveling to get your vaccine than you do from the vaccine itself and I'm sure you'll have no issue putting more miles under your belt than that so nothing to worry about.

I have no idea what questions they really ask on the forms as I just turned up for my appointment (which was somehow texted to me). The nurse giving the injection asked if I had any allergies or any other reason why the jab would cause me issues but any mention of psychological problems wasn't brought up as far as I was aware.

GP surgery or the larger mass vaccination centres your experience will probably be the same.

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