This is why I don't like neurotypicals

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21 Dec 2021, 12:25 pm

In general I'm best with people who I'm indifferent to and that's most people.

I very very rarely hate anyone but if I do I just can't even look at them let alone talk to them.

I love it when I love someone but they're very few and far between.


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21 Dec 2021, 12:39 pm

The thing about neurotypicals is that _ANY_ critical reply to anything they say or have done or made or anything else they publish, has to be wrapped up in "cotton" and needs talking to them with all sorts of excuses for expressing your opinion.

They easily get offended for nothing.

Of course, no two NTs are alike, and there are NTs who happens to be good people too.
And some autistics who can be as*holes as well.



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21 Dec 2021, 12:41 pm

babybird wrote:
In general I'm best with people who I'm indifferent to and that's most people..


It's better to be indifferent as default, 'cold blooded', as a protection mechanism, than to absorb other people hostility. Even if that means appearing like a '©un† sometimes. :lol: You can't please everybody all the time. And we can't all be friends.


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21 Dec 2021, 12:44 pm

I find that certain people who may be NT do actually find me offensive. I think it's because I just can't be twofaced and I tell them to their faces what I think of them. I don't think it's even an aspie thing with me because I learned to be this way from NT friends of mine but they don't seem to like it when I've used the same tactics on them.


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21 Dec 2021, 12:50 pm

The NT world of social rules is about learning the art of deception and BS. If you're blunt and speak from the heart honestly, without considerations of social etiquette, naturally some people find that offensive, because its jarring break to their empty small talk, when you inject unfiltered real opinions into a situation.


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21 Dec 2021, 2:12 pm

theprisoner wrote:
The NT world of social rules is about learning the art of deception and BS. If you're blunt and speak from the heart honestly, without considerations of social etiquette, naturally some people find that offensive, because its jarring break to their empty small talk, when you inject unfiltered real opinions into a situation.


Yep.

I have experienced this all of my life. People reject your reality in favour of their unreality.



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21 Dec 2021, 2:18 pm

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Well, you seem very pleasant. I Like you. If anybody hates on you. It's probably because of jealousy, their own problems, projected on to you. Self-esteem needs to be strengthen and validated and made secure somehow, then you wouldn't internalize negative attitudes of others. Easier said than done.


Exactly this. The only way to strengthen self esteem is to have a balance of empathy, sympathy & self interest. If you go too far into self-interest and lose the ability to empathise, when someone with a different life perspective & experience comes into your reality, then you are unable to understand why they are as they are, and because you have spent so much time, so far inside your own world, you see it as a challenge and perhaps even offensive that they don't agree with you on something.

The more they reject your worldview based on their own strong world experiences, the more offended you become because you think they are purposefully hurting you.

But they are not, they are simply reaffirming their own truth, from their perspective.



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21 Dec 2021, 2:37 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
People reject your reality in favour of their unreality.


People reject others reality in favor of their own reality. And a persons reality, subjective to the core, can often become unreality, when it becomes out of phase with another reality, the majority of other peoples realities, and objective reality in general.

Reality is a tricky thing. Everybody has their own individual reality tunnel , in which they filter things. reality becomes delusional, when there is no feedback effect with external sense data, or the filter mechanism becomes biased. That's why its important calibrate your sense data, with your internal representation of reality. Other wise they become out of phase. In its extreme form, you can develop schizophrenia. In milder forms obsessive compulsion disorder.

That's a lot of words to say, that basically, everybody is a world unto themselves. And sometimes when worlds collide, it can get ugly, awkward, or disharmonious, if those two worlds re completely out of phase with eachother. That's why it's important to make sure, your worldview, and the next persons worldview don't clash. Otherwise, you're asking for trouble.


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21 Dec 2021, 2:44 pm

theprisoner wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
People reject your reality in favour of their unreality.


People reject others reality in favor of their own reality. And a persons reality, subjective to the core, can often become unreality, when it becomes out of phase with another reality, the majority of other peoples realities, and objective reality in general.

Reality is a tricky thing. Everybody has their own individual reality tunnel , in which they filter things. reality becomes delusional, when there is no feedback effect with external sense data, or the filter mechanism becomes biased. That's why its important calibrate your sense data, with your internal representation of reality. Other wise they become out of phase. In its extreme form, you can develop schizophrenia. In milder forms obsessive compulsion disorder.

That's a lot of words to say, that basically, everybody is a world unto themselves. And sometimes when worlds collide, it can get ugly, awkward, or disharmonious, if those two worlds re completely out of phase with eachother. That's why it's important to make sure, your worldview, and the next persons worldview don't clash. Otherwise, you're asking for trouble.


I think that the only way to understand completely opposing worldviews is to communicate with the other person, otherwise you will never understand them and just assume they are evil or working against you. They might be trying to harmonize their own reality & you might be the anomaly in it, as much as they are an anomaly to you.



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21 Dec 2021, 3:24 pm

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^Its so hard to maintain distance with people emotionally. I am getting better at it though


I find emotional proximity to be harder to maintain. I can be cold blooded with people quite easily. :shrug:


I think i worded that wrong, i meant boundaries between people, like when someone acts hateful to me i feel their negative feelings about me too intensely. I internalize other people's opinions of me too. (if they think i am x i must be x for certain and so on)


Quantum emotions are a thing. You can actually feel exactly as another person is feeling, as if you are them. It is possible with enough contextual information & study.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body/202001/can-quantum-physics-hold-the-key-happiness



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21 Dec 2021, 3:49 pm

There are some NTs that are good people; there are some people who are on the spectrum that are not.



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22 Dec 2021, 3:33 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
theprisoner wrote:
Well, you seem very pleasant. I Like you. If anybody hates on you. It's probably because of jealousy, their own problems, projected on to you. Self-esteem needs to be strengthen and validated and made secure somehow, then you wouldn't internalize negative attitudes of others. Easier said than done.


Exactly this. The only way to strengthen self esteem is to have a balance of empathy, sympathy & self interest. If you go too far into self-interest and lose the ability to empathise, when someone with a different life perspective & experience comes into your reality, then you are unable to understand why they are as they are, and because you have spent so much time, so far inside your own world, you see it as a challenge and perhaps even offensive that they don't agree with you on something.

The more they reject your worldview based on their own strong world experiences, the more offended you become because you think they are purposefully hurting you.

But they are not, they are simply reaffirming their own truth, from their perspective.


How about we all drop the self esteem crap and stop judging and comparing ourselves to others



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22 Dec 2021, 11:40 am

Earthbound_Alien wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
theprisoner wrote:
Well, you seem very pleasant. I Like you. If anybody hates on you. It's probably because of jealousy, their own problems, projected on to you. Self-esteem needs to be strengthen and validated and made secure somehow, then you wouldn't internalize negative attitudes of others. Easier said than done.


Exactly this. The only way to strengthen self esteem is to have a balance of empathy, sympathy & self interest. If you go too far into self-interest and lose the ability to empathise, when someone with a different life perspective & experience comes into your reality, then you are unable to understand why they are as they are, and because you have spent so much time, so far inside your own world, you see it as a challenge and perhaps even offensive that they don't agree with you on something.

The more they reject your worldview based on their own strong world experiences, the more offended you become because you think they are purposefully hurting you.

But they are not, they are simply reaffirming their own truth, from their perspective.


How about we all drop the self esteem crap and stop judging and comparing ourselves to others


Not comparing oneself to others is a perfectly reasonable and noble concept. But many people need to compare themselves to others to drive their own motivation/competitive qualities. :heart:



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22 Dec 2021, 1:25 pm

I habitually compare myself to my peers and I don't always know how to stop. It's just the way I think I suppose and it's not something I can just switch off like a light. I'm too aware of other people and I get emotionally involved, so it's hard not to compare myself.


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22 Dec 2021, 1:28 pm

I compared myself to someone once and I found that it helped me to improve myself in a few ways. It's a bit like competition sometimes.


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22 Dec 2021, 7:01 pm

As others have said, it'll be an autistic thing too, but this can depend on how autistic someone is; some with autism are so socially disconnected that they can't be swayed to "sides" as they're their own side (hyper-individuality), and even emotional connections don't sway them to the "sides". I'm like this. Humans are tribal. Modern life functionally is almost never tribal, rather you're dealing with individuals in day to day life. Hating someone for holding the wrong opinion shows that this individual has gone full tribalist. The ironic thing is they don't need a tribe to protect them in modern society, and this tribalist thinking ends up causing the very thing they may fear if it goes too far. Those that desire power over humans know this and can artificially create such a tribal mindset too, and governments and their mouthpieces tend to do it often, and I'm sure people here see it in wider society.

I'm sure many here have experienced being seen as the "other" due to autism, and since you aren't "normal" the tribe sees you as different, and different can be a threat. The funny thing is these people will end up saying the virtuous things for those social points in the tribe when they're the popular narrative, even though they'll bully someone with autism with their tribe all the same if it's acceptable. Yeah, if I see people being openly virtuous with words, I just laugh as I know it's usually fake and simply done for the tribe due to my experience. Virtue comes from selfless and caring acts, not words (it's also not tied to consensus).

I respect those that can see beyond the tribal and look at the individual. Because we're all individuals in the end.