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zen_mistress
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05 Oct 2007, 3:42 am

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I'm afraid we just can't win against NTs. If we get angry/upset, that's what they wanted in the first place, so they win. If we ignore them, we're too ret*d to understand that they're trying to upset us, so they win. If we fight back, we get caught by the authorities while the NTs don't. The NTs say they weren't doing anything wrong and we just attacked them for no reason, and the authorities are actually dumb enough to believe it, so they win. If the NTs do actually get in trouble, they "promise" not to hurt us again, then they hurt us when the authorities aren't watching, and leave us alone when they are. and since the NTs have "promised" not to hurt us, the authorities don't believe us when we tell them what happened, (since NTs never lie) so the NTs win again!


Yeah it is hard when things are so complicated. I know a similar thing happened to me this year.

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05 Oct 2007, 11:17 am

Is every Aspie a nice person?

Is every picked-on kid an Aspie?

People are idiots - all of us. (speaking of which, all it will take is one reply post or PM to telling me to go away, and I won't touch the thread again, 'cause I'm NT.) Kids are little monsters. All of them. They're cute so they'll survive to adulthood. NT behavior is only partially pre-programmed; NTs have to learn "please" and "thankyou" and "you can't take that, it's not yours." Some NTs have to be taught not to pick on others - including other NTs. Just about all kids, no matter how sweet and loving, also have to be taught not to hit, bite, etc. Maybe it's really that NTs are less adapted to actual civilisation; I don't know.

If anything, feel pity for people who don't have a consolidating and supporting force; they pick on each other instead. It's not right, it's not fair, but it still happens.

But there are places in the world where you won't get picked on; how to find them.. well, good luck. I only know about the degree of variation because moving is my family's hobby, so I know how radically different authority figures are in different places. There is hope; if I figure out how to find places that are friendly to those who are culturally and or neurologically different before actually living there, I'll let you know.

In the meantime, just hate people in general. Or, say, people who don't know how to drive; or people who don't understand that when my car windows are up, that means I don't want them to share their wonderfull music with me. Really. Especially not with such stong bass that my bones start vibrating.

Not that NTs have cause to hate NTs or anything. Like I said, just hate people instead. Or be more selective, but don't blame all of us for some of us.



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05 Oct 2007, 11:52 pm

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zen_mistress wrote:
Goatman....

I am sorry you are feeling so angry towards NTs that you want them all dead.

I know that I feel a lot of anger towards them... and it is hard to deal with this anger. But ultimately we have to find peace with our place in the world as people on the spectrum because

a) If we committed an act of violence towards them it would reinforce the crappy things they say about us which are actually untrue

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b) If we let them make us all bitter, twisted and full of hatred inside, then the worst NTS, the biggest, cruelest, most sadistic bullies amongst them, will have won. They will have destroyed us inside.

I hope you find some peace with all this like I am looking for.

C
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I'm afraid we just can't win against NTs. If we get angry/upset, that's what they wanted in the first place, so they win. If we ignore them, we're too ret*d to understand that they're trying to upset us, so they win. If we fight back, we get caught by the authorities while the NTs don't. The NTs say they weren't doing anything wrong and we just attacked them for no reason, and the authorities are actually dumb enough to believe it, so they win. If the NTs do actually get in trouble, they "promise" not to hurt us again, then they hurt us when the authorities aren't watching, and leave us alone when they are. and since the NTs have "promised" not to hurt us, the authorities don't believe us when we tell them what happened, (since NTs never lie) so the NTs win again!


And that is why I strongly recommend we form our own militia unit, which we can easily activate and have recognized by the federal government as another private resource in the event of an emergency.


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06 Oct 2007, 12:53 am

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As far as I'm concerned, I want mass graves, trains, showers with no water and striped PJs awaiting them.


Yeah, uh nobody deserves that. Would someone here please start taking the Holocaust seriously?


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06 Oct 2007, 3:56 am

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And that is why I strongly recommend we form our own militia unit, which we can easily activate and have recognized by the federal government as another private resource in the event of an emergency


I don't think this is a good idea. Though I think a spaghetti or jelly-wrestling match could be amusing.


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06 Oct 2007, 10:33 am

alegziz

You are an NT.. I appreciate what you are trying to say but you clearly dont understand what this thread it is about. It is not about blank hatred towards NTs or any group, it is about trying to find a sense of peace with a group of people, many of whom have helped make life very difficult for people with A.S.

If you dont have A.S. and havent struggled with some of the things that we specifically have, you wont really know what is being said here. But I see your point and it is certainly true that NTs can also be pretty cruel to other NTs.

violet yoshi...

Yes I was upset when I read that Holocaust reference too....
I guess I tried to look past what he had written and looked at the feelings behind such a statement... I didnt want the thread to erupt into a huge argument. I really didnt know quite what to write.

Admittedly though I felt I wasnt in the position to criticise Goatman, not when I myself had felt like being violent towards particular people at certain periods of my life. I am glad i didnt act on those instincts.

But no, something terrible like the Holocaust should not be mentioned, I can see how it can cause upset and offence to many people.


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09 Oct 2007, 2:29 pm

:) I think I'm like Arbie...I keep all my anger inside too. But, most times, I bursting at the seams. I want to be a tolerant person to everyone, but then I find myself thinking I can't stand "stupid" people...how very intolerant of me :( I want people to accept me for me like I have accepted me for me :) Is that ever possible in NT society?



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10 Oct 2007, 4:11 am

there are peeps out there that will accept u for u, but not everyone will unfortunately. I guess all one can do is focus on the good ones and ignore the f'wits and the a'holes.



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11 Oct 2007, 12:04 am

I'm very angry at my NT mother, right now. The two of us had a miss-communication about money. She came up with the bitchy solution that she should pay me out. That didn't go well. Now, I can't even stand to think about her. She's always been this way, towards me. She's the classic Refrigerator Mother. Dishing me crap, and ignoring my concerns. That's how ticked off I am at NTs.


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