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makuranososhi
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24 Sep 2008, 3:21 pm

Mosse wrote:
:cry: He ruined my life.
He cursed me.
He made me cut myself a lot a while ago.
He made me hate myself.
He should've been shot.

(Don't kill me for this)
(Unless you would ACTUALLY kill me, then go ahead)


While I can recognize the pain and frustration you are experiencing... his recognition of the condition did not create it, or cause it. And while there are many aggravations as a result of being on the spectrum at times, there are also things you may grow to appreciate.


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24 Sep 2008, 3:22 pm

Ravenclawgurl wrote:
even if he didnt discover asperger's syndrome it still would be out there and you would still have the symptoms


And many of our situations would be worse, because our conditions wouldn't be recognized as anything needing special consideration. If you think you have it bad now, imagine trying to live with the same difficulties a century or two ago.

I like to think I've been lucky: more than fifty years of practice living with AS, even as mild as mine is, has helped me adapt well enough to lead a reasonable life. It has been a long road, however. I've been in counselling off and on since before AS was accepted by American psychiatry. Finally being able putting a name to it a few months ago when I was diagnosed, seeing it both as a condition possibly needing help and as simply a different way of experiencing existence, was a huge boost to my morale. I don't want a cure: I want to grow strong in what I consider my valuable gifts–-the ability to shut the world out when I need to concentrate, the ability to completely avoid getting my feelings hurt that would get in the way of solving problems, and the ability to contribute a striking new viewpoint that adds depth to conventional thinking. I think of myself and AS in general as a "harmony" to the NT world.

Yeah, I was bullied, too, when I was a boy, because I was different. I think I had an advantage even back then, although I didn't realize it. I've stood 6' 3" (1.9 meters) in height since age 13. I was very thin back then, too, and that made me look more unusual. I now weigh about 235 pounds (106kg). The number of men I've met larger than me has been decidedly small. Next to the average 5' 4" (1.62-meter) woman, I've sometimes felt like a cross between King Kong and the Empire State Building. My size could have been, and sometime was, another difference I had from the average person. I've come to terms with it. I could probably intimidate by sheer size, but I don't want to do that. It would mean me stooping to the same low level as those who once ridiculed me. A better course has always been being someone bigger willing to help.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:53 pm

Hans Asperger did not "invent" Asperger's Syndrome in some secret laboratory. He simply discovered what was already observed in children. How can you possibly blame it on him?


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24 Sep 2008, 10:16 pm

One thing that I am not clear on, did Hans Asperger personally name the condition for himself or was in named posthumously?



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24 Sep 2008, 10:22 pm

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One thing that I am not clear on, did Hans Asperger personally name the condition for himself or was in named posthumously?

Hans called it "atypical autistic psychosis". Dr. Linda Wing, in uncovering his research, named it "Asperger's Syndrome" in his honor.

Koldune wrote:
If you think you have it bad now, imagine trying to live with the same difficulties a century or two ago.

Hell, try living with the same difficulties twenty years ago! By comparison, this is heaven now - you're no longer dismissed as "delusional" or "schizophrenic" (and given the wrong treatment, if any at all); it's no longer legal to involuntarily commit us to asylums for the crime of not being "normal"; if our symptoms are so great that we can't deal, there are even programs to offer support! Sure, it could be better - but kids, it's been a frak of a lot worse...


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25 Sep 2008, 3:40 pm

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Hans Asperger did not "invent" Asperger's Syndrome in some secret laboratory. He simply discovered what was already observed in children. How can you possibly blame it on him?


He didn't create it, but he discovered it. If he didn't exist, I wouldn't be stalked by ret*ds who think they're therapists. I'd be normal with a higher IQ.



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25 Sep 2008, 6:20 pm

Mosse wrote:
Silver_Meteor wrote:
Hans Asperger did not "invent" Asperger's Syndrome in some secret laboratory. He simply discovered what was already observed in children. How can you possibly blame it on him?


He didn't create it, but he discovered it. If he didn't exist, I wouldn't be stalked by ret*ds who think they're therapists. I'd be normal with a higher IQ.

Not quite accurate. Your AS does not affect your IQ. (In point of fact, in order to be diagnosed with AS, you must have at least a normal IQ, and frequently they're significantly above average.) On the other hand, if it weren't for Dr. Asperger and Dr. Wing, you wouldn't be "stalked by ret*ds who think they're therapists" - you'd be locked up as schizophrenic and a potential danger, and/or medicated into submission. Would this really have been better for you?


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26 Sep 2008, 7:16 am

You should not blame Hans Asperger, you should be thanking him. He didn't invent AS, he documented and recorded the symptoms.

Think about it: would you rather be considered dangerous/mental unstable and forced into submission with drugs, or at least partially understood? Even if Hans Asperger had been shot, you would still be the same you are now, only your life would be much worse because people would have no knowledge.



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26 Sep 2008, 5:06 pm

FieryGatoh wrote:
You should not blame Hans Asperger, you should be thanking him. He didn't invent AS, he documented and recorded the symptoms.

Think about it: would you rather be considered dangerous/mental unstable and forced into submission with drugs, or at least partially understood? Even if Hans Asperger had been shot, you would still be the same you are now, only your life would be much worse because people would have no knowledge.


>_> I don't have it bad enough to be called "mentally unstable"... I haven't had any of the symptoms since I was 9. And I'm not understood at all, because everyone's too busy sending STALKERS WHO CALL THEMSELVES SOCIAL COUNSELORS AFTER ME!! !



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26 Sep 2008, 6:34 pm

Summary: BAWWWW EMO


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27 Sep 2008, 12:27 pm

Anubis: Grow up, I seem to remember you being upset on here *many* times in the past. If we all treated you like you're acting now, how would you feel?

Mosse: If AS hadn't been named, then you wouldn't know what the hell was wrong with you. Perhaps you would be diagnoed with autism, and yet would have felt like it didn't make sense. AS gives you an understanding and a place from which to develop. It allows you to know yourself, and recieve the help we may need at times. AS really isn't the main problem here, but how we deal with it and live with it is. It's certainly one of the most hardest things in life, but improvement starts when you stop laying blame and throwing around anger.


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27 Sep 2008, 4:24 pm

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Anubis: Grow up, I seem to remember you being upset on here *many* times in the past. If we all treated you like you're acting now, how would you feel?

Mosse: If AS hadn't been named, then you wouldn't know what the hell was wrong with you. Perhaps you would be diagnoed with autism, and yet would have felt like it didn't make sense. AS gives you an understanding and a place from which to develop. It allows you to know yourself, and recieve the help we may need at times. AS really isn't the main problem here, but how we deal with it and live with it is. It's certainly one of the most hardest things in life, but improvement starts when you stop laying blame and throwing around anger.


...except I wouldn't think anything was wrong with me, I'd just think I was normal.



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27 Sep 2008, 4:41 pm

I'm sorry, but I'm confused by that statement... you'd still be who you are now - the same person with the same issues. A name does not make it anything different, other than a handle to grasp it by.


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27 Sep 2008, 6:06 pm

Mosse wrote:
FieryGatoh wrote:
You should not blame Hans Asperger, you should be thanking him. He didn't invent AS, he documented and recorded the symptoms.

Think about it: would you rather be considered dangerous/mental unstable and forced into submission with drugs, or at least partially understood? Even if Hans Asperger had been shot, you would still be the same you are now, only your life would be much worse because people would have no knowledge.


>_> I don't have it bad enough to be called "mentally unstable"... I haven't had any of the symptoms since I was 9. And I'm not understood at all, because everyone's too busy sending STALKERS WHO CALL THEMSELVES SOCIAL COUNSELORS AFTER ME!! !


I never said that you were mental unstable, or that you werwe totally understood by everyone. I'm saying that life would be a lot worse had it not been for that guy.

mosse wrote:
...except I wouldn't think anything was wrong with me, I'd just think I was normal.


Whether or not the guy existed you'd still be the exact same person. Being 'normal' is just a label.



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27 Sep 2008, 6:50 pm

he helped a lot of autistic children...he saved them from being euthanized...



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27 Sep 2008, 7:07 pm

Mitch8817 wrote:
Anubis: Grow up, I seem to remember you being upset on here *many* times in the past. If we all treated you like you're acting now, how would you feel?



I am emotionally very stable. Never this upset, and never over something so pathetic.


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