Is is true that Aspie people don't tell lies?

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24 Apr 2009, 8:45 pm

No. I've been lied to by an aspie online because he didn't trust online people so I told him what is he doing then talking to them? I didn't even want to talk to him anymore because he had lied to me three times after he confessed them and I just couldn't trust him because I wasn't sure what else he has told me that were also lies.

There was another aspie on a forum I knew and he told lies. Claimed he was born in Germany, can speak five different languages, lived in Japan when he was 16 for the summer and worked at McDonalds. Have been around the world with his family. Has both genders. Got a PS3 (before it was even released) because some friend he had in Japan gave it to him when he was there because he works for the company and bunch more he told. Well I can remember people calling him a liar on the forum and I get upset with them and think they are a bunch of dumb asses. Turns out they weren't dumb asses because they really were lies because he finally confessed through one of his stories.

Just recently, one of my old aspie friends decided to create a character on Autism Speaks and he joined the forum and he hated his own AS and ranted on there about his condition and how AS isn't autism and ranting about therapy his parents are giving him and not liking it, etc. and then my friend was in a online relationship with him and they happened to live in the same city. Turns out that 19 year old guy wasn't real and it was my online friend that did all those posts. What made her stop was people were suspecting it was her so she deleted the account and confessed and apologized but what annoyed me was she blamed it on her AS. What's funny is she has always said autistic people don't play mind games, lie so I told her she just proved to herself they can lie.

I had a play mate who was an aspie when I was 15 and 16. He told me he had a gf and they both had sex and he was nine years old. He also told me these other stories about himself. Turns out they were all lies because my mother told me. I don't know how she knew but she said she knows because she knows what is BS and she is a grown up so she knows.

So yeah aspies can lie and play games like those did.

The first one did it because he didn't trust online people.
The second one did it because he wanted people to like him but found out making up stories about himself didn't work so he stopped and apologized for hurting me
The third one did it because she wanted a relationship very bad but she didn't expect for it to hurt people on the website who post there so she apologized for it
The forth one did it because who knows why. I never found out why he made stuff up.



24 Apr 2009, 8:50 pm

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We can lie. I think the problem is, we can't lie consistently


Yeah exactly. I think none aspies find it natural to lie and us, we don't find it natural so we have to force ourselves to do it. It makes us feel like dishonest people and liars so we don't like to do it. That's how it makes me feel so I don't like doing it. I hate people asking stuff like "Do I look fat in this?" "Am I fat?" "Do you think I'm fat?" That's when people lie to those questions there but us, it makes us uncomfortable to lie.

I only find it natural to lie if I am embarrassed and I feel no guilt. I think none aspies can lie and feel no guilt like I do when I do it.



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24 Apr 2009, 8:51 pm

i lie...often
i lie like a human!
and cheat
i am a human



24 Apr 2009, 8:52 pm

Kilroy wrote:
i lie...often
i lie like a human!
and cheat
i am a human



If I find out you are doing those things to me, bye bye.



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24 Apr 2009, 8:59 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
i lie...often
i lie like a human!
and cheat
i am a human



If I find out you are doing those things to me, bye bye.


your not one of the idiots that floats in and out of my life (my real life) no need to lie to you
besides if I was lying doncha think I'd have made myself up into a better person? :lol:



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13 Aug 2009, 10:08 am

Everyone is capable of lying. But I think we Aspies/HFA's it doesnt come naturally. Often we are blunt and just speak what's on minds, sometimes not giving careful consideration to what we are saying.

I can't speak for everyone but that's what Im like. So much speaking the truth often gets me a lot of unwanted hassle. :roll:


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13 Aug 2009, 3:56 pm

Lying successfully can take more than just mouthing a falsehood. There is oftentimes acting involved, as well.

I don't think it's not that aspies aren't "capable" of telling falsehoods ... it's more like we're not very good at the acting part.



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13 Aug 2009, 4:41 pm

I can lie but I don't like to lie and I don't like people to lie to me.

I used to lie when I was in secondary school, there were nasty rumors floating around the school about me and my lies were to try stop the lies spoken about me, but it didn't work. It doesn't matter now but it hurt me then.

Also, if I feel that the person that I'm speaking to doesn't want me to tell the truth, I might be afraid to tell it (but nowadays I'd try not be afraid).



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14 Aug 2009, 8:35 pm

I am an impulsive liar. Oddly, though, I can not lie about "real" things - like if someone asks my opinion on something or if I get extra change at a store, etc. But all my life I have struggled with this weird urge to tell "stories" that are obviously false and I realize they make me look like a freak and a half. My counselor called it "fabrication."

I have struggled with it as long as I can remember - in kindergarten and first grade I talked about my cats dialing the phone and I made up this this guy named Old Man Haggard who lived in a trailer and sold trained cockroaches. In fourth grade I went through a time of faking a british accent. In middle school I gave myself made up diseases and had made up boyfriends. In high school I had this whole story about being from Canada. I told people my name was something else that wasn't my name. In junior college I told people I was related to this professor that I was not related to.

This, and depression, was the original reason I sought psychological help (which resulted in being diagnosed with Aspergers). No can yet explain to me why I tell these fabrications and can not stop. I think it may related to impulse control disorder, because I also have trichotillomania.



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14 Aug 2009, 9:21 pm

Have to take a police lie detector test one time. It took hours to get the questions just right so I was comfortable with the phrasing. When it was over the officer said "you're the worst liar I've I've ever met" <grin>, meaning it was the clearest record he'd ever evaluated, and he was sure i was telling the truth. Some people can fool the test but they control their reactions too well. Mine would sketch out whenever my thoughts drifted but were accurate when I focused on the questions.

It's usually easy for people to tell if we're lying, so we don't have much incentive. And I think that's great.

What's difficult is that we have a horrible time with 'white lies' that protect other people's feelings (or our own), including good manners at times. "He just stepped out of the office" and "He just jumped out the window" differ in how long he'll be gone. The truth is a lot easier to keep track of.


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15 Aug 2009, 7:37 am

I can lie, but I don't like to.

I only lie to people who lie to me. It's a fair trade. But most of the time I'm blunt as a stone. :wink:



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15 Aug 2009, 10:49 am

I lie a lot. The only time it's hard to lie, is when I try to convince someone I'm not drunk or high when I am.



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16 Aug 2009, 1:54 pm

laseywerecat wrote:
I am an impulsive liar. Oddly, though, I can not lie about "real" things - like if someone asks my opinion on something or if I get extra change at a store, etc. But all my life I have struggled with this weird urge to tell "stories" that are obviously false and I realize they make me look like a freak and a half. My counselor called it "fabrication."

I have struggled with it as long as I can remember - in kindergarten and first grade I talked about my cats dialing the phone and I made up this this guy named Old Man Haggard who lived in a trailer and sold trained cockroaches. In fourth grade I went through a time of faking a british accent. In middle school I gave myself made up diseases and had made up boyfriends. In high school I had this whole story about being from Canada. I told people my name was something else that wasn't my name. In junior college I told people I was related to this professor that I was not related to.

This, and depression, was the original reason I sought psychological help (which resulted in being diagnosed with Aspergers). No can yet explain to me why I tell these fabrications and can not stop. I think it may related to impulse control disorder, because I also have trichotillomania.


I don't know what trichotillomania is, but I have always made up stuff because it was so much better than it actually was. As long as it didn't hurt other people, I could never see the harm.


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17 Aug 2009, 7:38 am

Honesty is a virtue I value highly, but sometimes I tend to be honest when I probably shouldn't. If someone asks me if they look fat in whatever they're wearing, I might say, "what your wearing has nothing to do with your size." That, of course, wouldn't mean that I agree that they're fat, but that I feel the question itself is illogical, and that perhaps they should rephrase it. Nonetheless, it gets taken the wrong way, anyway. :P


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17 Aug 2009, 11:43 am

I used to have trouble telling lies as a kid, but once I realized nobody liked it or cared when I was completely honest, it got easier for me to lie. As much as people say "Lying is a evil sin blah blah blah", learning when to lie has made my life a lot easier.


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17 Aug 2009, 12:03 pm

i do not tell lies because i can not make them up in time so i can say them.
sometimes i see that i should tell a lie because the truth is going to be damagimg to someone, but i only see it a few seconds before i have to say something. i have limited imagination relevant to what i should say that is fabricated to appease a person. so i stammer if i try to say something unnatural.

so if they demand a rapid answer from me i will always say the "uncut" version.

lies are so much useless energy.