Why does no one want me to have a relationship?

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17 Mar 2019, 10:47 am

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What you need to realise is that females are shallow. If you want to get laid or get a gf then you need to work on yourself, you need to be as complete as possible.

Can you work on yourself? Too tired for it or you are just have too many flaws so its pointless anyways? Then do as i did, give up. Forget about females. Delete them from your mind.


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18 Mar 2019, 12:04 am

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Well, at least you're not a complete shut in, then. That's good since it'd be impossible to find a woman if you stayed home at your computer all the time (unless you searched from the internet of course.)

With all of them? If so then I'm sorry to say this, but the main problem is most likely your lack of social skills; you can't properly start or at least not properly keep up a conversation. The bright side to this is that stuff like this can be learned, but you're gonna need practice. Just keep trying, but make sure to talk to many different people 'cause if you focus on just one you might make the person uncomfortable, not to mention it won't help you all that much with others if you just learn to socialize with only one person in particular. There will be failures, but that's just something you need to accept and tolerate if you want things to get better. If you accidentally hurt someone's feelings? Apologize. If they hurt yours? Talk about it with them. Things like that are bound to happen, but you just need to learn to deal with it. And you need to be patient; from what I've understood you seem to give up pretty quickly if something doesn't work out for you in a time that you consider to be fast enough.

Also, do you use any internet forums besides this one? If not, I recommend (again) that you join a few that are about some subject that you find interesting. Places like that are good for practicing online socializing since you can make small talk about the interesting subject.



The comic book store is probably the only place in the city where I live where rednecks and hip-hop thugs don't venture into. They think a $3.99 comic is expensive but they'll buy tons of crappy gas station beer and cigarettes that is many times over the price of a single comic. :roll:

It's not all of them. The women I've known for years I can talk to with no trouble at all. It's the women (And men, too) I don't know well or they confuse me I struggle to communicate with. My aunt once tried to introduce me to a girl who she said liked anime but when I finally met her and brought up the subject, she said she was no longer interested in anime. It was a really awkward situation. I've also met women at the music shows I've gone to but they don't know the bands playing and that baffles me.

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18 Mar 2019, 4:16 am

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The comic book store is probably the only place in the city where I live where rednecks and hip-hop thugs don't venture into. They think a $3.99 comic is expensive but they'll buy tons of crappy gas station beer and cigarettes that is many times over the price of a single comic. :roll:

It's not all of them. The women I've known for years I can talk to with no trouble at all. It's the women (And men, too) I don't know well or they confuse me I struggle to communicate with. My aunt once tried to introduce me to a girl who she said liked anime but when I finally met her and brought up the subject, she said she was no longer interested in anime. It was a really awkward situation. I've also met women at the music shows I've gone to but they don't know the bands playing and that baffles me.

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It's a guestion of preferences. You think they're wasteful with their money and they might think the same of you. I wouldn't pay three euros for a class of coca cola in a cafe since I can get a whole bottle from the store for a smaller price, but I'd have no problem paying that much for some good drink that I can't get from stores. I also drink tea, but would rather not pay few euros for one cup. Few euros for a drink that I like a lot more than tea, though? Completely okay.

And there's the point. You've known them for years, so you've naturally gotten practice. Talking to the others, or at least some of them, will likely get easier with time and practice. But you have to work on it; just the time you've known them alone won't make the needed changes.
You've brought that girl up quite often; it's like you're a bit obsessed about her or that situation, too. How did it go again? Did you try to talk with her about something else or ask what anime she used to watch?
I don't see anything weird in going to concerts without knowing the bands... maybe they came with friends who knew the band? Maybe they just wanted to try something new? Maybe they were like me and don't care about names and genres and just want to listen to good music? There could be a lot of reasons, really. In situations like those, you could try making smalltalk by telling a little about the band that's playing. If they seem interested, start an actual conversation. Just remember to not to let it turn in to a lecture even if you're very informed on the subject; most people don't like it.

Why not? Got nothing to say?



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18 Mar 2019, 11:39 am

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It's a guestion of preferences. You think they're wasteful with their money and they might think the same of you. I wouldn't pay three euros for a class of coca cola in a cafe since I can get a whole bottle from the store for a smaller price, but I'd have no problem paying that much for some good drink that I can't get from stores. I also drink tea, but would rather not pay few euros for one cup. Few euros for a drink that I like a lot more than tea, though? Completely okay.

And there's the point. You've known them for years, so you've naturally gotten practice. Talking to the others, or at least some of them, will likely get easier with time and practice. But you have to work on it; just the time you've known them alone won't make the needed changes.
You've brought that girl up quite often; it's like you're a bit obsessed about her or that situation, too. How did it go again? Did you try to talk with her about something else or ask what anime she used to watch?
I don't see anything weird in going to concerts without knowing the bands... maybe they came with friends who knew the band? Maybe they just wanted to try something new? Maybe they were like me and don't care about names and genres and just want to listen to good music? There could be a lot of reasons, really. In situations like those, you could try making smalltalk by telling a little about the band that's playing. If they seem interested, start an actual conversation. Just remember to not to let it turn in to a lecture even if you're very informed on the subject; most people don't like it.

Why not? Got nothing to say?


Sure but I don't tell them to quit while they tell me to quit and say it's the reason why I don't have a girlfriend.

My aunt introduced us because she had Aspergers as well and I met her after we saw her play in an orchestra she was a part of. Even when I tried to talk about music with her, she looked disinterested. She was very distant in her demeanor.

I don't rule those possibilities out but a lot of them seemed to just want to indulge in drugs, particularly illegal ones, since security at music clubs regarding drugs is very lax. Because I don't smoke, I am either beneath their notice or they'll move on from me if I tell them I don't have any drugs on me.

I don't always get replies.

My therapist told me women in their 30's will be more open to men who aren't "bad boys" and that I haven't even lived a third of my life yet. Her son has gotten married at 39; I am fine with waiting for marriage but love in general I don't want to wait past my mid-30's. I am not even looking forward to turning 31 this year.



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18 Mar 2019, 1:44 pm

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Sure but I don't tell them to quit while they tell me to quit and say it's the reason why I don't have a girlfriend.

My aunt introduced us because she had Aspergers as well and I met her after we saw her play in an orchestra she was a part of. Even when I tried to talk about music with her, she looked disinterested. She was very distant in her demeanor.

I don't rule those possibilities out but a lot of them seemed to just want to indulge in drugs, particularly illegal ones, since security at music clubs regarding drugs is very lax. Because I don't smoke, I am either beneath their notice or they'll move on from me if I tell them I don't have any drugs on me.

I don't always get replies.

My therapist told me women in their 30's will be more open to men who aren't "bad boys" and that I haven't even lived a third of my life yet. Her son has gotten married at 39; I am fine with waiting for marriage but love in general I don't want to wait past my mid-30's. I am not even looking forward to turning 31 this year.


And you listen to them because...? If they aren't people whose respect you actually desire for or who could get you in real trouble if you ignore them (like superiors at work or something) then just don't listen. They have the right to tell their opinions, you have the right to not listen to those opinions.

You just said she had aspergers' too, right? You do realize that one shouldn't automatically assume that normal NT social cues apply to every new person you meet and that the chances that someone with asperger's or autism is very unlikely to work "normally." Maybe that disinterested face was something that she always has? Or maybe she's just that bad at social situations? NTs often jump to false conclusions based on one's bodylanguage, but we autistic people aren't completely clear of that sin, either. It is possible that you just jumped to conclusions from her body language. Not that I'm blaming you of anything; trying to read bodylanguage is hard. This is just something for you to think about if you ever have to deal with another autistic person again. Besides, it's very possible that you also seem disinterested and behave in a way that makes you seem distant. That's something worth looking in to, too. Since you can't change society, you should check thoroughly if there's something about you that you could and should change. Results don't come to those who don't work... most of the time, anyway. Some people get lucky, but unless you want to wait for a lucky brake that may never come, get to work.

Well in that case it might be safer to just look elsewhere. Taking risks is a natural and necessary part of life, but one should avoid risks that can really get them in trouble. A drug addict girlfriend certainly would be something like that.

Most people don't always get replies, I rarely do even on this site. The replies one gets will increase if they have something interesting and new to say and when people actually get to know them. Again, this takes time and effort. You need to stop giving up too soon when you don't get the results you want.

Your therapist is certainly right. Do you know why this is? Have you seen the movie X-Men 2? In it Jean Grey tells Logan that "Bad boys are those you flirt with, good guys are those you marry." When one wants to settle down, they usually look for security. The problem is that just a "good guy" -personality isn't enough to bring that security; you can't build a future on it. Even though there are lot of women who don't look for a provider, most of them, us, look for a man who will be their equal. Someone who won't put the burden of kids, finances, house chores or all of these together on them alone. They want someone cabable of building a future together. Now the guestion is what kind of future can an over thirty year old part time worker who still lives with his mom offer to anyone? A very secure one is certainly not something that comes to mind, right? That's why you have three options:

a) Just give up, but since you probably don't want that, you should either
b) Do everything in your power to change in to someone who can be an equal partner to an average woman or
c) Try to focus your attention on women who don't want or have given up on the idea of an average, regular life.

The "C" kind of women could be, for example, the kind of "live in the moment" women who have no interest in starting moving in together or having a family and just want to have fun, or disabled women who don't have any hope of putting in as much effort in to a regular family life as an average man would and thus aren't really wanted. You know, women that, for one reason or the other, also can't move out or get a job that could support a family. I'm not saying that the disabled should only date other disabled people, but the chances of that happening tend to be higher.

Most likely I sound really harsh here, but you gotta face the facts. Just repeating the same routines for years and hoping things will change is very unlikely to change anything. If you want a girlfriend, you need to get up and work on the matter as hard as you can. If all you do is come here to say "I'll never get a girlfriend" then it will eventually become reality. Go to events, social gatherings, anywhere really and talk to people. And do it more often than a few times a year.

And just so we're clear: I'm not trying to put you down, I'm trying to help you. It's just that in your case, I'm out of ideas other than laying down the hard, cold facts of how I see the society and of what I think are the reasons for your problems.



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18 Mar 2019, 1:50 pm

My aunt introduced us because she had Aspergers as well and I met her after we saw her play in an orchestra she was a part of. Even when I tried to talk about music with her, she looked disinterested. She was very distant in her demeanor.
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Mark, am I reading this right? The girl your aunt introduced you to has Aspergers? If so, being distant and untalkative would be normal aspergian behavior. We all more or less s@ck at social communication. Doesn’t mean she isn’t interested in you. :D


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20 Mar 2019, 3:51 pm

I am short on time again so I will have to get back to Fireblossom later once again but yes, my aunt tried to introduce me to this girl because she had Aspergers. This was back in 2013 as well.

My mother actually thinks NT women are too extroverted and that women on the spectrum are "too messed up". She doesn't think I will ever have a life partner and should just give up completely even though the depression destroys me and it was always okay for her to get a new husband. She's been through four marriages in her life.

She always told me she didn't want me to have children and that I would be a terrible father. Well, I hope she's happy because my genes aren't going to pass on in this world.



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21 Mar 2019, 3:33 am

I had not to write on the topic anymore but screw this, I need to tell it:

Your mother's opinion is nothing more than your mother's opinion.
Being an adult, you have full right to form your own opinions and your mother has nothing to say.


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22 Mar 2019, 4:27 pm

It can be hurtful what a parent thinks of their adult children.



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22 Mar 2019, 8:16 pm

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It can be hurtful what a parent thinks of their adult children.


Indeed it can be. My mother did tell me I am welcome to prove her wrong but I haven't been able to.



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It can be hurtful what a parent thinks of their adult children.

I know it can, I know it from my own expirience.
But - this I also know from my own expirience - chewing on this pain takes you nowhere.


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25 Mar 2019, 1:28 pm

I wish I could tell my younger self things are going to be okay but everything I feared became true instead. I've been told it's not good to think about either the past or the future but I can't stay in the present no matter what I do.



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25 Mar 2019, 1:48 pm

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I wish I could tell my younger self things are going to be okay but everything I feared became true instead. I've been told it's not good to think about either the past or the future but I can't stay in the present no matter what I do.


If the past was that bad then just focus on the future, but keep in mind that it will be the same as present if you don't also focus on the present now. You're what, 30? 31? 32? There's still plenty of time to find a relationship and even to have kids (assuming you want them of course) since you're a man. You don't have to worry about things like safe age to give birth etc. But you have to work on it; I'm sure that you understand by now that staying as you are is extremely unlikely to bring you what you want.

C'mon now, let's make a to do -list. What are the things about you that you think are the reasons you haven't been able to get a girlfriend? You can probably come up with plenty, but right now, list only the things that you think you could be able to change in the next three years with the proper guidance.



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25 Mar 2019, 11:51 pm

^^^Marknis, the one thing i believe to have saved me, is that i do NOT dwell on the present unless it is in some sublime natural surroundings. :idea:



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Fireblossom wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I wish I could tell my younger self things are going to be okay but everything I feared became true instead. I've been told it's not good to think about either the past or the future but I can't stay in the present no matter what I do.


If the past was that bad then just focus on the future, but keep in mind that it will be the same as present if you don't also focus on the present now. You're what, 30? 31? 32? There's still plenty of time to find a relationship and even to have kids (assuming you want them of course) since you're a man. You don't have to worry about things like safe age to give birth etc. But you have to work on it; I'm sure that you understand by now that staying as you are is extremely unlikely to bring you what you want.

C'mon now, let's make a to do -list. What are the things about you that you think are the reasons you haven't been able to get a girlfriend? You can probably come up with plenty, but right now, list only the things that you think you could be able to change in the next three years with the proper guidance.


If we date women are age yes we doo. I don’t exoect to be that 40-50 old guy who gets married to 20s old woman.

Hat if he can’t change them? Not everyone can improve their life or get better.


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26 Mar 2019, 11:58 am

sly279 wrote:
If we date women are age yes we doo. I don’t exoect to be that 40-50 old guy who gets married to 20s old woman.

Hat if he can’t change them? Not everyone can improve their life or get better.


I can't understand the first row in your message, but I can answer the second:

If Markins can't change anything about himself as he is now then he just has to accept the fact that his chances are slim (not zero, but slim.) He can keep doing what he's been doing, but it might not do him any good. Since he hasn't gotten a girlfriend by now, it's highly unlikely he'll get one without changing things. Not impossible, but unlikely.

However, this is Markins we're talking about. He's a good guy as far as I can tell, if not a bit too gloomy. I believe he can change and I am ready to help him with it if he accepts my help, as are many others here I'm sure. I've yet to see a reason why he should just give up, but I also haven't seen a reason why he couldn't try to change.

Markins, are you reading this? Give me that list and we can start wondering what you can start with.