Workplace gave me a death sentence...

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25 Aug 2012, 3:19 am

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This is a giant company with many thousands of employees... this is going to be very ugly for them treating so many people so badly.

Most people don't make waves. They just buckle down and work even harder. It's very unlikely that anything ugly will happen for Management.
It sounds like they're trying to downsize without having to actually lay off any employees. I would definitely look for another job. If they're not able to make deep enough cuts in this round, management will just tighten down in another area to terrorize and weed out any other "weak links".
You don't get unemployment coverage if you're fired for cause.


It's the full-timers getting hit the hardest... makes sense - get rid of the expensive full-timers and their health plans and fill the place with dozens of brand new part time recruits who they can also send home at a moment's notice when the workloads drop.

I should've worked on my resume today but I just went into full shutdown and was a barely-functional human being. :(



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25 Aug 2012, 5:25 am

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I am very early to my things to make sure I am not late.

No wonder you share the opinion I (or anyone else) should be fired for being a minute late starting or from break. I imagine you have no problems with getting/keeping jobs then - employers love that sort of thing, far more than actual work ethic, etc.


I have great work ethic. If someone is late, they should be fired. Companys lose money when people decide to be late.


I imagine you support unpaid overtime too. I'm not saying I'm habitually late, but that kind of whip-cracking just offends me. I have more customer "kudos" than anyone in my department, and solve the toughest problems without needlessly sending technicians out to peoples' homes - I *save* the company money by doing my job right, rather than the dum-dums who don't solve anything and send out techs for stupid things like plugging in a TV. Yes, my few minutes here and there may have cost the company less than an hour's wage, but I've more than paid for that in unpaid overtime and saving the company money at every opportunity. Still think that kind of employee deserves to be fired for an extra minute at break because he needed extra washroom time? If so, congratulations on rigid thinking.


If you are late, you deserve to be fired.


What if you have an IBS diarrhoea attack at break and come back a couple of minutes late because you had a waterfall pouring out of your backside?


Well that would be an exceptional circumstance, so that would be understandable. But choosing to be late because you are lazy and sleep in - then you should be fired.



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25 Aug 2012, 6:20 am

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They're instituting a new zero-tolerance policy on time adherence. If I (or anyone else not on the "buddy list") is late for shift, break or lunch EVEN ONCE, they're terminated. Period.

This is a death sentence for me, since when my depression hits it's difficult just to get out of bed! I'm rarely late more than a couple minutes, normal human stuff, but these people are like computers... true or false. Checkmark or X.

Time to break out the suit and get another job before the axe falls! Dang... I'm going to miss that health plan... and my kid needs braces!


Well in jobs where it is really important to not to be late, it is difficult to say whether this is ok. But one minute is nothing even in shift work
But, hardly when you are returning from lunch. I think this kind of thinking is ancient, because other things as for example that you feel well and like your work
have much more influence on your working performance.

My personal opinion is that usually people realize when you are loyal and doing a good job. Then, this kind of behaviour is totally useless.
I guess you are probably working even overtime and not missing any important meetings or something like that.

If they want to get rid of you then they should at least be honest and tell you that they are not satisfied and give you some real reasons.

I hate these kind of artificial inventions.

When in your job it is not important, when the work is done just that it is done, I think to demand not to be even a minute too late is totally exaggerated maybe even illegal reason to fire people.

Sorry to hear that you are in trouble.
That they demand from you something like that is really depressing already
and that is not so well for work performance either. Hope your sister is doing fine

If you like your working place and have some contacts to higher management should you maybe complain to them??
Otherwise I think you should just leave when you can
especially when others are late and don't get "treatment".

My basic standpoint is that an employer should never forget, how important workers are.
Best would be of course to show them that you are valuable and then leave them standing in the rain
This is so ridiculous and you could also express this

So your bosses must be standing there and checking when the people are arriving.
Quite expensive also to let them waste their time on that.

If I were your coworker this would already upset me so much that I would be very very angry!

If I would loose my job I would go mad because it is almost my only social aspect in my life for now...
Somewhere where I can just go and work and meet with people



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25 Aug 2012, 6:32 am

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Well that would be an exceptional circumstance, so that would be understandable. But choosing to be late because you are lazy and sleep in - then you should be fired.


Hei,
I think you are wrong here

I haven't yet seen any aspie being lazy.
And when you are depressed then you are in principle sick, at least not lazy.
Many still go to the job anyway and that is a plus for the employer especially in shift work.

Well you could sort of when you are late always go to the doctor and get a sick day.
But that is quite much worse than coming too late

Also, I think our high moral codex forbids to be lazy more or less.
Everybody (aspie) who has a job wants to do a good job and puts a lot of effort into it.
That has been my impression so far...



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25 Aug 2012, 6:34 am

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Well that would be an exceptional circumstance, so that would be understandable. But choosing to be late because you are lazy and sleep in - then you should be fired.


Hei,
I think you are wrong here

I haven't yet seen any aspie being lazy.
And when you are depressed then you are in principle sick, at least not lazy.
Many still go to the job anyway and that is a plus for the employer especially in shift work.

Well you could sort of when you are late always go to the doctor and get a sick day.
But that is quite much worse than coming too late

Also, I think our high moral codex forbids to be lazy more or less.
Everybody (aspie) who has a job wants to do a good job and puts a lot of effort into it.
That has been my impression so far...


Just because someone may have aspy, it doesn't mean they can't be lazy. If someone chooses to sleep in, instead of going to work, they are lazy.



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25 Aug 2012, 6:39 am

onks wrote:
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Well that would be an exceptional circumstance, so that would be understandable. But choosing to be late because you are lazy and sleep in - then you should be fired.


Hei,
I think you are wrong here

I haven't yet seen any aspie being lazy.
And when you are depressed then you are in principle sick, at least not lazy.
Many still go to the job anyway and that is a plus for the employer especially in shift work.

Well you could sort of when you are late always go to the doctor and get a sick day.
But that is quite much worse than coming too late

Also, I think our high moral codex forbids to be lazy more or less.
Everybody (aspie) who has a job wants to do a good job and puts a lot of effort into it.
That has been my impression so far...



Ok now I probably misunderstood you a bit because you were quite on the side of the employer before. First I understood that you were describing being depressed as being lazy and therefore not able to stand up.



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25 Aug 2012, 6:47 am

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Well that would be an exceptional circumstance, so that would be understandable. But choosing to be late because you are lazy and sleep in - then you should be fired.


Hei,
I think you are wrong here

I haven't yet seen any aspie being lazy.
And when you are depressed then you are in principle sick, at least not lazy.
Many still go to the job anyway and that is a plus for the employer especially in shift work.

Well you could sort of when you are late always go to the doctor and get a sick day.
But that is quite much worse than coming too late

Also, I think our high moral codex forbids to be lazy more or less.
Everybody (aspie) who has a job wants to do a good job and puts a lot of effort into it.
That has been my impression so far...


Just because someone may have aspy, it doesn't mean they can't be lazy. If someone chooses to sleep in, instead of going to work, they are lazy.


If you want to see it so. I don't. When I am depressed it can happen that everything takes longer time.
But that doesn't mean that I am lazy

Well, this is a moral aspect. When you are late then you are late.
And only being sick will allow for that in principle.

Shift work is probably neither really best situation for aspies, it leaves quite little room



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25 Aug 2012, 12:28 pm

zxy8 wrote:
Just because someone may have aspy, it doesn't mean they can't be lazy. If someone chooses to sleep in, instead of going to work, they are lazy.

Why do you keep harping on "sleeping in" anyway? I never said that was my issue so this must be something VERY personal for you... you had parents who wouldn't get out of bed or something? You deal with your issues and quit making them mine.



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25 Aug 2012, 4:39 pm

At work ~45mins early... freaked out like you can't imagine... but I haven't been escorted out yet. :) You won't hear much from me for the next 8-9 hours...



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25 Aug 2012, 9:20 pm

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Just because someone may have aspy, it doesn't mean they can't be lazy. If someone chooses to sleep in, instead of going to work, they are lazy.

Why do you keep harping on "sleeping in" anyway? I never said that was my issue so this must be something VERY personal for you... you had parents who wouldn't get out of bed or something? You deal with your issues and quit making them mine.


I am always very early, so no issues for me. You are the one who is "blowing a fuse" over this. Please try not to be an angry person :)



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25 Aug 2012, 9:26 pm

BlueMax wrote:
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Just because someone may have aspy, it doesn't mean they can't be lazy. If someone chooses to sleep in, instead of going to work, they are lazy.

Why do you keep harping on "sleeping in" anyway? I never said that was my issue so this must be something VERY personal for you... you had parents who wouldn't get out of bed or something? You deal with your issues and quit making them mine.


He has future upper management potential, don't you think? :P



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25 Aug 2012, 10:29 pm

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I am always very early, so no issues for me. You are the one who is "blowing a fuse" over this. Please try not to be an angry person :)

I'm neither angry, nor blowing a fuse. Your trolling is unpleasant though and I do wish you'd stop.


To everyone else: Still alive. I whipped myself into more of a panic than necessary... but everyone's still on the razor's edge and it's too stressful to stay there for long. We'll see.



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25 Aug 2012, 11:29 pm

BlueMax,

it sounds like your company is looking at downsizing, by getting rid of whichever full-time workers they can and replacing them with part-time workers who are easily replaceable. unfortuantely this is just a sign of the times, but I do understand your frustration and would look at getting another job asap.



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25 Aug 2012, 11:36 pm

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it sounds like your company is looking at downsizing, by getting rid of whichever full-time workers they can and replacing them with part-time workers who are easily replaceable. unfortuantely this is just a sign of the times, but I do understand your frustration and would look at getting another job asap.


I do my best work out of the house so I went out to Denny's for brunch and coffee with my laptop. The resume is now updated and looking great! ;)

HOPEFULLY I'll do everything right and not need it, but it's good to be prepared. If being ahead (not merely "on time") of every clock doesn't solve the problem, I'll move on... nobody needs the constant stress of being pressured to quit.

It's very likely that the 90 seconds I was late the other day was just a paper-thin excuse to get rid of me (and 12+ others already) for completely different reasons.


Edit: After talking with people today, it seems a good friend (also recently fired) was let go purely for telling his fellow supervisors to get off their duffs and actually help the people who desperately needed them. He wasn't rude about it at all, but the "cool kids" ganged together to take down the guy who told them off. As usual... the social manipulators won with their pushy mob-mentality tactics. It's the same everywhere I go... at least they were after someone else this time... but they're still weeding out people not from the cool kids "smokers circle" klatch.



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26 Aug 2012, 12:36 am

Keep coming a it early and start looking for a new job soon.

Its possible that they are just eing so strict because its the new rule and they'll be more understanding later on but I wouldnt take a risk



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26 Aug 2012, 2:55 am

BlueMax wrote:
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I am always very early, so no issues for me. You are the one who is "blowing a fuse" over this. Please try not to be an angry person :)

I'm neither angry, nor blowing a fuse. Your trolling is unpleasant though and I do wish you'd stop.


To everyone else: Still alive. I whipped myself into more of a panic than necessary... but everyone's still on the razor's edge and it's too stressful to stay there for long. We'll see.


You are angry and "blowing a fuse". When someone has an opinion that does not equal to your own, you call them a troll. I am not trolling, please stop lying - it is wrong.