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29 Oct 2012, 7:42 am

blackelk wrote:

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As Clint Eastwood said, dying is easy, it's living that is hard.

Now if only that were true.

How isn't it?

Dying isn't easy. Especially when you want to. In my case I had so many obstacles in the way....and so much fear, and so much pain, and I wanted to die so bad. I was terrified of surviving it, and of the pain, and of the trouble. You call that easy, when most suicide attempts end up surviving, enduring more pain than in the past, and now they have stigma to deal with? No, friend, even the thought of dying (which is how close it got with me) isn't easy.

But living isn't easy either. I didn't want to live. I couldn't go on. I was blocked, exasperated, dead inside, in inhuman pain, and had no one that would reach out and feel it with me. In many respects I was dead. I think that because I'm an aspie and a recluse that no one saw my state and admitted me into the hospital.

So people come onto a thread where someone is in intense pain of living and afraid of the intense pain of dying and quip a blithe quote, or in Zokk's case, call her stupid and cowardly (often the person feeling suicidal has just had to be too strong for too long, which is actually MORE courageous, but never mind, we'll just put them down anyway, d***mit!! !! !) and feel good about themselves.
Good for you people.

Now excuse other people while they at least try to be helpful to someone in need.

We're here for you, Lenny the Wicked. <3

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29 Oct 2012, 8:14 am

blackelk wrote:

As Clint Eastwood said, dying is easy, it's living that is hard.

I am confident Clint Eastwood had a horrible life. You know, with being a successful actor, successful director and having more money than any of us ever will.

Sure. He's an authority on what the depressed or suicidal should do.

EstherJ and SweetLeaf made excellent post and points. Coming onto a thread to inflate your own hubris by putting down a suicidal person is the only "cowardly" action I've seen in this thread. When you call a suicidal individual a "Coward". Do you know what happens? They go, "Yep. You're right. Thanks for reminding me how flawed I am. I'm definitely confident I'm making the right decision now." And I know this from experience. "Tough Love" (Which isn't what the negative post in this thread were, but others do this.) doesn't work with a suicidal person. It is like spotting someone on the edge of the building then saying, "Jump. You coward! I bet you just want attention! You won't do it!" Or dare I say... Running up and pushing them off.

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29 Oct 2012, 2:00 pm

ComradeKael wrote:

blackelk wrote:

As Clint Eastwood said, dying is easy, it's living that is hard.

Though there are some convincing actors, I don't think the successful ones are really living horrible lives, acting it isn't the same thing as living it.

I try not to have that reaction if I see such ignorance online, but yeah it certainly doesn't help things. I mean I think internally I've accused myself of being every negative stereotype or fitting under every negative profile that exists more than once already. so though that post seemed more either general or to the OP it still isn't helpful to see it.

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29 Oct 2012, 2:49 pm

ComradeKael wrote:

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As Clint Eastwood said, dying is easy, it's living that is hard.

You guys realize that Clint Eastwood is an actor, and deduce it was most likely said in a movie? It's from The Outlaw Josey Wales, and he was talking to an Indian whose family had been butchered and had to live with the pain of seeing his family and way of life destroyed.

Anyway, I know a guy who blew his head off with a shotgun. It was painless. Living is harder than dying. I would never call anyone a coward though.

One of my favorite movie scenes:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4e3-YK3rVA[/youtube]

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29 Oct 2012, 4:45 pm

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Also, if someone's spraying perfume or chemicals around you, and you feel an asthma attack coming on, you have every right to tell them to stop because it affects your health; also, if you need to, get out of the area quickly, and use your inhaler if necessary.

I do that already. They spray the perfume specifically because they want to kick me out of the room or trigger an asthma attack.

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29 Oct 2012, 4:47 pm

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Well do the meds you take make you feel any better at all? I mean since you are already suicidal I suppose I don't see why it bothers you they could do physical damage, that kind of makes it slow sucide if you think about it. But it leaves you alive so maybe you will find something worth living for....I don't know I don't really have any good advice about feeling like that.

I certainly know what being suicidal feels like though, and it does suck.

Because my airways plugging up to prevent a toxin from entering my lungs is very painful?

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29 Oct 2012, 4:49 pm

blackelk wrote:

As Clint Eastwood said, dying is easy, it's living that is hard.

Clint Eastwood yells at empty chairs.

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29 Oct 2012, 4:55 pm

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To the original poster.... I, too, am tired of life.... I don't really have any reason to keep going.... other than that I can't really know, in my case, if it will suddenly start getting better.... it probably won't, but... maybe it will. You seem very worried of your health, by the way.... are you certain that your concerns even are real? It could just be hypochondria. I know one or two things about that, myself. And the muscle spasms.... they could just be due to stress, you know. I know by personal experience that stress gives me just that. What else concerns you, by the way...? Or is it just your health? You can PM me, if you want... I have nothing better to do, anyway. Currently, all I do is to either sleep or watch anime, pretty much.

Yes they're real. I've passed out in the girl's locker room because of sprays. I somehow do not think that is psychosomatic.

Not to mention the school nurse put a stethoscope to my chest after an asthma attack and told me she could hear a dripping in my chest.

And I had to be shocked back to life. :I I kind of wish they had left me there.

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29 Oct 2012, 4:57 pm

Quite frankly I'm more afraid of failing and being sent to the psych ward than I am of actually dying. Otherwise I'd have jumped out the third floor window at school, but I don't think that's far enough.

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29 Oct 2012, 5:33 pm

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They aren't like how they are in the movies. Most of them are actually quite nice, albeit extremely boring and routine. Granted, I don't mind the latter part. If you do end up going to one; Which - Is a better alternative than death. Then you will not be in there for more than a week. It's more "Crisis stabilization" where they get you in, diagnose you with ________ then hand you medicine to assist with that issue.

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29 Oct 2012, 6:16 pm

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I've been to one. They kept me for two weeks longer than they said they would and took my blood almost every day.

Never. Again.

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29 Oct 2012, 11:06 pm

Please don't kill yourself. :cry:

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30 Oct 2012, 1:59 am

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Zokk wrote:

I do that already. They spray the perfume specifically because they want to kick me out of the room or trigger an asthma attack.

that is malice, you have a legal leg to stand on in this situation. with the right lawyer you could come out of this situation with a handful of money

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30 Oct 2012, 3:15 am

look I don't want to be to confrontational, but why do you want to die? I am not trying to be holier than thou or anything, just want to know because I am suicidal myself so maybe I can help...don't know just what is driving the feelings no one can help really if they have no information.

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31 Oct 2012, 6:00 am

To answer the specific question, it depends on your weight and height, and other variables such as the type of rope, whether it has been prestretched , whether you have made a proper knot, etc, etc. The details are easy to find if you wish to find them - and I'm not going to give them to you.

To answer the unstated question, why do you want to die? would it not be better to find ways to live?
A friend of my brother's hung himself. My thoughts were at the time - he must have done some research to get it right - why didn't he learn how to live instead?

I've been very depressed at times, but I dont know how to tie a noose. That would be a bad day, the day I find out. Better not to find out and learn how to live.

Blessings,
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31 Oct 2012, 6:08 am

chris5000 wrote:

LennytheWicked wrote:

Zokk wrote:

I do that already. They spray the perfume specifically because they want to kick me out of the room or trigger an asthma attack.

that is malice, you have a legal leg to stand on in this situation. with the right lawyer you could come out of this situation with a handful of money

I would have a legal leg if I knew their names, if it wasn't the entire school, if we had money for a lawyer, and if anybody else had money to sue for.

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