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25 Aug 2014, 8:13 am

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may his passing be the prime impetus for vastly increased research on these issues.


I am doubting it. I have been through some pritty brutal narcissistic abuse. It hides itself extremely well. C-PTSD does things like this. Most people around you will belive it is o.k. it is just you. These people remain uneffected under the same circumstances. With this issue most of the problem is staring you in the face at the check out isle in the grocery store. This type of abuse comes in the form of supply, and entertainment from the ones who are not the victims. It is an issue that I see on this site time, and time again. People make us learn coping strategies in order to deal with it. Some even in the form of therapy, and pills. Both are not an answer of a cure of any kind. It is a remedy, that is it. The answer can be as simple as action, reaction. If an improper action does not take place, there is no reaction that creates a negative effect. It is a sickness that goes deep into the core of humanity. It is on t.v. every day. It is sick. It does not change, and is not illegal.

People are sucky :(


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25 Aug 2014, 12:04 pm

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This is probably going to sound messed up, but I say, "Good for him!" Bipolar never goes away. Why do you want people to live who are miserable?


I am thinking its more people wish he could have found a way to alleviate the misery, that didn't involve killing himself, hence why it is sad. But on principle I kinda agree with your point....I mean I do not think one should be forced to endure continuous misery or feel obligated to do so. Of course some people don't take so kindly to that sort of view point I suppose.


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25 Aug 2014, 2:44 pm

^^^ the developement of his suicide may have been from things piling up on him since a very young age. A kind of stacking. Beginning with the people closest to him. The only person that I know personally that is an addict, suicidal bi-polar, and in and out of institutions has a dysfunctional family. Her mom being the most abusive one, with the best kept (fake) manners. She is an abuser, and gets away with it. FOREVER! Her son committed suicide last winter. He was in his early 50's. This horrible woman (who most people think is soo nice) is best friends with my mother. (Imagine that?). I am having no contact with my mom at this time, mostly because of depression, and tendencies about thinking of ending my life. Also anger that I do not even know what to do with. At least I think it is anger? It feels like a shaky rush of blood into my brain, I don't know, it is confusing? I am better off without her. Now I need to figure out how to get this junk out of my head, without adding more, so I can possibly try and get my life back.

Whatever storytime people are hearing about Robin Williams, is just a piece. Things did not have to be this way for him. I see it as no different than getting pushed off of a cliff. He was programmed to push himself. It happens all the time. The real killers appearing to be the loving supporters.


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29 Aug 2014, 9:22 pm

bipolar is a physical disease. it never goes away. it is due to not being able to regulate ones mood. it has nothing to do with abuse. it is just how your brain is wired.



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30 Aug 2014, 2:54 am

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bipolar is a physical disease. it never goes away. it is due to not being able to regulate ones mood. it has nothing to do with abuse. it is just how your brain is wired.


However it should be noted that social/environmental factors do play a role in mental illnesses/problems..so while bi-polar is not a direct result of abuse I am not entirely sure it never plays a role in developing that disorder, I mean things like abuse and bullying can contribute to depression, so why wouldn't it contribute to other mental issues in some cases. Negative experiences growing up can effect how the brain is wired.


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30 Aug 2014, 5:30 am

My mother, and a few other people, and circumstances are hardwired in my brain. I have been trying to make it go away for a very long time. I don't like it. The stuff is gone, and away, yet it is still there. Circumstances, and events crop that stuff up in my mind like it was yesterday. Sometimes it just happens anyways. That is what c-ptsd, and ptsd is all about. Naturally having massive bouts of depression from a disorder of somekind just makes everything worse. Ptsd is soo bad that it can make you feel horrible from bad happenings, and you don't even know why, because you made yourself forget.


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30 Aug 2014, 5:54 am

I hate PTSD, I mean why does it exist.....not sure if mine could be c-ptsd though, I mean I had one specifically traumatic event in highschool but I think I spent most of my childhood over-stressed and had a lot of chronic bullying even from teachers at times. But yeah of course stuff ends up in the past...but then its still there even if you try very hard to get rid of it.

But then one does not have to suffer abuse/bullying or anything like that to end up with certain disorders...for PTSD specifically there has to be trauma or prolonged stressful/negative envrionment and I guess with a lot of PDs they say it has a lot to do with environmental/social factors but not sure that is a requirement, but for most other disorders people can end up with them regardless of if they had a kind caring family and great school experience or had parents who fought all the time or where abusive and a terrible experience with school


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02 Sep 2014, 2:39 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
em_tsuj wrote:
bipolar is a physical disease. it never goes away. it is due to not being able to regulate ones mood. it has nothing to do with abuse. it is just how your brain is wired.


However it should be noted that social/environmental factors do play a role in mental illnesses/problems..so while bi-polar is not a direct result of abuse I am not entirely sure it never plays a role in developing that disorder, I mean things like abuse and bullying can contribute to depression, so why wouldn't it contribute to other mental issues in some cases. Negative experiences growing up can effect how the brain is wired.


other disorders, yes. bipolar disorder, no. bipolar is a physical problem.



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02 Sep 2014, 5:24 am

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Sweetleaf wrote:
em_tsuj wrote:
bipolar is a physical disease. it never goes away. it is due to not being able to regulate ones mood. it has nothing to do with abuse. it is just how your brain is wired.


However it should be noted that social/environmental factors do play a role in mental illnesses/problems..so while bi-polar is not a direct result of abuse I am not entirely sure it never plays a role in developing that disorder, I mean things like abuse and bullying can contribute to depression, so why wouldn't it contribute to other mental issues in some cases. Negative experiences growing up can effect how the brain is wired.


other disorders, yes. bipolar disorder, no. bipolar is a physical problem.


So you are saying bipolar has no environmental/social factors that contribute....sorry but have to call BS on that there. Bi-polar is not some special mental disorder set in a category entirely apart from all other mental ailments. It has biological, social, and environmental factors contributing just like any other mental disorder.


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02 Sep 2014, 6:47 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
em_tsuj wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
em_tsuj wrote:
bipolar is a physical disease. it never goes away. it is due to not being able to regulate ones mood. it has nothing to do with abuse. it is just how your brain is wired.


However it should be noted that social/environmental factors do play a role in mental illnesses/problems..so while bi-polar is not a direct result of abuse I am not entirely sure it never plays a role in developing that disorder, I mean things like abuse and bullying can contribute to depression, so why wouldn't it contribute to other mental issues in some cases. Negative experiences growing up can effect how the brain is wired.


other disorders, yes. bipolar disorder, no. bipolar is a physical problem.


So you are saying bipolar has no environmental/social factors that contribute....sorry but have to call BS on that there. Bi-polar is not some special mental disorder set in a category entirely apart from all other mental ailments. It has biological, social, and environmental factors contributing just like any other mental disorder.


i Can't understand if if you''re you're a hippocrite,an idiot or if you refuse to understand the question?
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02 Sep 2014, 6:51 am

Robin Williams went down the same path as Heath Ledger and Marirlyn Monroe!
They self medicated


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02 Sep 2014, 7:08 am

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i Can't understand if if you''re you're a hippocrite,an idiot or if you refuse to understand the question?
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Thank you for that, nothing like some good put downs at 6 in the morning after not being able to sleep all night :D

Or perhaps I misunderstood your post, got the wrong idea from it and a better approach would be to clarify your post rather than be an ass and try and insult me....

Also Bi-polar is considered a mental disorder like depression, PTSD, anxiety, schizophrenia, ADHD, autism/aspergers, various personality disorders, OCD ect....need I go on. So factually Bi-polar is a mental disorder rather than a physical ailment though mental disorders can have some physical components....maybe you're the idiot after all :lol: Go take a psychology class or something and educate yourself.


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02 Sep 2014, 9:50 am

I think somebody else "medicated" Marilyn.



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02 Sep 2014, 11:28 am

syzygyish wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
So you are saying bipolar has no environmental/social factors that contribute....sorry but have to call BS on that there. Bi-polar is not some special mental disorder set in a category entirely apart from all other mental ailments. It has biological, social, and environmental factors contributing just like any other mental disorder.


i Can't understand if if you''re you're a hippocrite,an idiot or if you refuse to understand the question?
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And I don't understand what made you think insulting people you disagree with would be an appropriate thing to do.


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02 Sep 2014, 3:14 pm

C-PTSD is something that is easy for us to get. Some of us can get traumatized by hearing 1000 pins drop so to speak.

It does not help at all to have a disorder, or disease, or whatever you feel like calling stuff, and have people, things, or events agitate the crap out of it. It makes it worse. That is my point. Being bi-polar, and saying it caused a suicide because of depression, is something that is far fetched to me. Bi-polar+C-PTSD+possible PTSD+medication+legal and illegal drugs+ an institution+treatment+a shrink+publicity+tabloids+the news+other people with bright ideas+who knows what else= a brain f***.

When you have C-PTSD, and people do what they do, you keep trying different things, and it doesn't help, I don't care what supposed brain malfunctions you have. Your alternative is more C-PTSD.

When every corner you take is more C-PTSD. There is no solution.

Imagine being traumatized, looking to get help any way you can, and end up getting more problems. I believe it is an overdose of C-PTSD.

A different view from a different person. Not a shrink, or medical person of any kind.

A view from an abused person.

A mechanic.

Need I say more.

People did this to him.

I can be wrong, I will allow it. I need to choose, and figure out a way for this to not happen to me. ANYMORE! This is not a childish argument. I think I know why. I am trying to learn how to be better, and learning that what happened to him is a serious tragedy. It did not happen on his own. His support structure crumbled before his very eyes. Those are the ones who are supposed to know something, help, be there for him, and make him o.k. the industry that is supposedly the professionals of the inner workings of the human mind failed him. Drug dealers failed him, family failed him, his friends failed him, and Johnny law failed him. He had every resource at his fingertips. Money to back it up. Other peoples money if he needed it. Failed. I believe C-PTSD was the shadow behind the man. I believe people, and the medical industry, and the law, or whatever you want to call it, does not know enough about it to make things right. They are too buisy with books, and making tests or something, I don't know.


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