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04 Nov 2016, 7:29 pm

I just coincidentally ran across this:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ag ... f=recs_top

I've leafed through the preview pages of the German version, and it looks really good. Maybe it could help you to re-evaluate things in a self-accepting and hopeful way? Not trying to be judgmental here; just saw this and thought of you. I plan on ordering one for myself.



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04 Nov 2016, 7:36 pm

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I am really sorry your having such trouble and wish there was more in your area that could help you.

One thing I will say and it isn't solely directed at you but why would a woman want to date someone who thinks so badly of women?

Why would a woman want to go out with someone who makes her out to be shallow and only want money? or judges who she is before even getting to know her as a person.

You also women not to judge you and yet do the same to them. I truly truly don't mean this in a horrible way I'm just being honest and hoping it will help you empathise (even though I know it's hard) with some women. Like truly sit and thing to yourself if a women said these things about men would you be put off?

Everyone is different and doens't want to be lumped into a group as if they are a hive mind.

I apologies if I'm being to honest for haven I just really feel sometimes supporting someone is speakin honestly with then


To prove that all women aren't superficial?
I'd certainly like to prove to an anused woman all men aren't rapists or abusers.

If the first thing she talks about is mans income or job she's shallow. If she dates me regardless of my job and doesn't nag me to get a better one it'd never come up as she not shallow. But if the first thing Shen ask about or lists on her profile is about income car and house she's as shallow as a guy first asking about waist or boob size. Think we'd both agree guys like that are shallow . Women can be shallow but instead about a guys income and such. Non shallow women don't care about a guys income and love them for who they are they date a guy based on his personality an interest and never ask about his income. The one lady was willing to date me even after she found out I worked at a retail store even talked about lending me her car(I'd never accepted) she wasn't shallow. Still not a good person though but not shallow.

Your right if the first thing they care about it that then they may be shallow. however sometimes people ask about job (not income) because they don't know what to say and assume everyone has a job so it's a safe topic. I personally think it extremely rude to ask someone about their income unless you know them very well. (I know my fiances so that I never ask him to do thing with me he cannot afford).

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Idu I'm not saying all women are that way. Your not, Ann's not, hurtlooms not, drawer isn't, cathlyin isnt and few others here who's names I can't remember off hand. I quite emphasize with all them and you. I'm also still quite nice to the shallow and mean women. One of the mean women at work was crying today and I felt sad for her. Despite that she gives me nasty looks every time I see her and seems to hate me all for trying to say hi to her or ask her how she's doing.

Also women tell me I'm worthless and not a real man. Not a good man(strange I always thought good meant moral or not being abusive or uncaring)That I'm not good enough to be dated. Judging me for things I can't control and have nothing to do with who I am as a person. I talk about women who self advertis they're shallow. I don't get how that's similar
I'm very sorry women have treated you this way. Whatever your gender or whoever you are no one deserves to be spoken to like that. These women not wanting to be with you means you've dodied a bullet ;)

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Unless your talking about the pretty ones?
Been mine and many others experiences pretty women don't date fat ugly men. Sucks I can't tell difference from a 2 or a 10 though. Mean I know any famous women are out of the question but the women at work or dating sites are just a beautiful. You are too for example. So from what I can determine if I find a woman attractive she's out of my league.
sometimes the girls you think are pretty may not think so themselves. Thank you for your kind words they made me smile. I was bullied for being ugly and fat for most of my life so even now I struggle with my self image. Sometimes you have to be brave and take the chance even if they seem out of your league.

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Everyone's not as different as you'd like. Or Pepsi wouldn't be so popular. Billions of people all like it which means billions of people have similar taste. Fashion trends are trends for a reason. Brands are popular for a reason. Most people go to college or because they want to but because society says to. Likewise society says men who don't have a good middle class job aren't good and encourages and pressure women from a young age to fall in line. Is it any wonder lots do?
Is it an age thing where women are looking for security so they can have children. maybe you need to become a boy toy for a rich women (jk)

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Course there's outliers and minority's and in a population of 7billion 25% is still a large amount of people who don't fall in line but still means the majority of people one meets will. And depending on the area the outliers will be fewer and taken quickly. My sisters friends are all as I've mentioned. The women at work are too. Superficially is more the norm not a oddity in the west.

There's millions of guys just like me . I'm nothing special. No we,re not a hive mind but we think alike regardless. I dont know why people say everyone's different or independent when social groups and trends show differently. There's who degrees about it and how to market to people based on their common thought process. If people were are different marketing would be impossible. Religion is a good example raise a bunch of kids up about it and most will keep supporting it as adults few will not.

Same as men boys being pressured not to cry or show emotions. It's a society pressured mass commonality with men. I'm well awar lots of girls via parents or movies are taught and pressured to find a quality guy or Prince Charming.

I dont know what to do about it. Very few profiles don't require a guy to have a good/real job , car and their own place aka life together. What would you suggest I do?
I honestly wish I had some secret answer that would fix everything but you are right there are society expectations of both genders that we aspies can't seem to fit :(.

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I kinda feel like people just don't want me to complain. I complain about a large section of women from my area and it's constantly taken as complaining about all women 0.o

It's really easy to missinterpret when reading things. I don't always realise you mean the women in your area. although I have heard that part of America has some difficult women from abother member of this site

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I quite like you as a friend you've been nice to me which is really quite rare for women. So rare when a woman at work is nice to me even slightly I wonder if she likes me romantically cause women normally treat me badly so if she's not then it must means she likes but. I hope those reply is received Nicely as I don't mean to be harder and am trying to logically reply kindly to your points not dismis them or anything. But I feel rude not replying . I really wish I could meet a lady like your or those others I mentioned you seem nice and non shallow. I wish there were more women like you.
I keep putting myself out there and get hurt.
I'm afraid to post another Craigslist ad.

The few women who like my dating site profile want nothing to do with me after reading it. Confuses me why they liked me if they dont find me good enough to even talk with 0.o

I'd be quite wonderful bf as I've been told by female friends.


I like you too as a friend that's why I tried to express that I wasnt trying to be mean. Sometimes I'm rubbish with my words and they come out in a way I don't realise :oops:

A lot of the ladies on this site are very lovely and accepting but they issue may be if either person was good at dealing with an autistic person. For example I would probably be bad for another aspie because I get easily fustrates.

I wish you had better luck! maybe you will have better luck as you get older and women are more mellow? I've heard that as people grow older they look more at personality.

you have to have a thick skin when online dating because people forget you are human.

Sending hugs your way hopefully to cheer you up a bit ((hugs))



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04 Nov 2016, 10:14 pm

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Just asking but sly279 how do you feel when you have gone on dates with women in the past. Do you think it went fine up until the next day or something else.


I've only been on like 6 dates
1. Had her friend confess that he loved her after she started dating so she went with him. She said it was great and I seemed really confident

2. Wouldn't talk and only kept asking for food

3. Wasn't sure if she liked guys or just women turned out she just liked women

4. Was one who introduced me to 3 and after the catfish who said he was a rich U.K. Person ended it we tried to date but she was also dating two other people and went with the one who could give her a home. She stayed with me a week.

5. I didn't find attractive and had older kids so I ended after the first date

6. And last we went min golf and she hugged me after but then ghosted me. So i dont know

Most seemed to feel I was confident and funny to be around. Once I'm use to a person I talk and joke a lot.

Then there were the ones who we talked for a while but never met up in person.
Huh that is not what I thought you were going to say. From what you describe you actually seem to be a person who can do well when it comes to dating and the problems you described were more other people's faults rather than yours. Why don't you try to keep this game up?

Maybe dating sites isn't a good place to meet new people. Have you tried using an interest you may have as a way to meet women?



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05 Nov 2016, 4:45 am

That's funny, because for most of his life, he's only ever been told the opposite.

This has given him low self esteem, and now we have people shaming him further and criticizing him for being negative.

He hasn't failed in dating because he's negative, he's negative because he's failed and now he's stuck in a catch-22.

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From what you describe you actually seem to be a person who can do well when it comes to dating and the problems you described were more other people's faults rather than yours. Why don't you try to keep this game up?


What?

I'm sorry, but 6 dates is not an impressive record, but he shouldn't feel ashamed with himself if he can't more dates than this. The best he can do is the best he can do and he should feel proud.

There are people who don't even try. He has been.

But a lot of people go on far more dates than that, and HAVE to if they want to meet someone compatible.

Sly, dating is a 'number's game' apparently.

For some men they get a girlfriend the second girl they ask out, for others the 200th.

I mean in real life here, not online.



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05 Nov 2016, 1:15 pm

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That's funny, because for most of his life, he's only ever been told the opposite.

This has given him low self esteem, and now we have people shaming him further and criticizing him for being negative.

He hasn't failed in dating because he's negative, he's negative because he's failed and now he's stuck in a catch-22.

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From what you describe you actually seem to be a person who can do well when it comes to dating and the problems you described were more other people's faults rather than yours. Why don't you try to keep this game up?


What?

I'm sorry, but 6 dates is not an impressive record, but he shouldn't feel ashamed with himself if he can't more dates than this. The best he can do is the best he can do and he should feel proud.

There are people who don't even try. He has been.

But a lot of people go on far more dates than that, and HAVE to if they want to meet someone compatible.

Sly, dating is a 'number's game' apparently.

For some men they get a girlfriend the second girl they ask out, for others the 200th.

I mean in real life here, not online.
I guess what I am saying is that from the looks of it the dates he has went on have gone well who knows what they can bring in the future. Maybe it wouldn't be a good idea therefore to leave it now.



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05 Nov 2016, 6:39 pm

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Plus religion is important to me, which dramatically narrows the playing field, and there aren't hardly any single guys in my parish.


Religious people are difficult for you to find? I find that almost unbelievable. It seems to me that there are a lot of them, even here in secular California. Are you looking for someone who belongs to a very small religion/sect or who is very fundamentalist?



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06 Nov 2016, 2:24 pm

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For the record I don't hunt.
After housing assistance. I pay half the bills.
And I don't have a running car anymore so take the bus, not that I could afford to drive anyways.

The only autism social group meets at a church in the next town at 9pm when there's no bus home and I work most nights. I heard it's all middle aged men.
They have meet ups at a hard to get to bakery run by disabled people I tried to go once but no one talked to me and kept to their groups so I sat alone in the corner. It was also mostly men besides the lady working the cash register


I know you always spoke about women giving you death stares in the past for even looking at them, but it might just be your low self-esteem, they thought you were being creepy at the time, or yes, you were right and they were.

How about practising your best smile in the mirror each day.

Ask family and acquaintances if the smile looks creepy or looks nice.

You work in retail, don't you? So the whole 'fake smile/politeness' thing is expected.

You could ask a co-worker or supervisor how your smile is.

That doesn't mean you have to force this smile at work, just saying they can give you feedback.

Try to practice so the smile is genuine and not forced. Think of something funny or makes you happy and let your face express itself in reaction.

How many girls or women have you asked out in real life?

Did you only ever get rejected?

It makes me wonder how you aren't a virgin, but that's a private thing you dont have to talk about how you got to the point you were with a woman in that situation.

Where am I going with this?

I think it's a good idea to start to ask women out in real-life.

But if you're too nervous to do that and have always been rejected or hurt, just try to make eye contact and give a friendly smile at a woman. Practice on any woman. Young, elderly, pretty girls, girls you not really attracted to, etc.

Only do it when you've practicsed and perfected it.

Yes, sometimes you will get negative reactions back. That's normal.

Don't do it on the bus. I will give you some places or situations you can do it later but cant right now.

Don't do it TOO often. Maybe one random woman a day depending on where you are/what your doing.

Finally, do you have at least one male or female friend who could introduce you to someone.

I know this seems like the same old advice, but it's all I've got.


supoose that's a good word for it. I dont know some give smiles and say hi. If it was my low self esteem then I'd think it'd be all of them.

Yeah I fake being happy at work. I smile and talk with people and when asked how I am I say pretty good.

In person one. Too shy and too anxious to ask a woman out in person. It takes weeks of texting one online for me to feel comfortable talking to them in person.
Add to that with girls in person I know nothing about them. Don't know if they'll married or dating or what things they like or don't like. Makes starting a conversation impossible.

Pretty much yeah. Or they talk for a while but never initiate topics and so it dies out and they ghost me.

I try that and get nasty looks. Women on the bus, shopping in stores or at work.

I don't have any friends anymore. My aqquantiences are old or don't think I'm good enough for any women they know.
Wish I lived in place where they had arranged marriage so family would just done it.



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08 Nov 2016, 6:05 pm

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don't want to do another 30 years of this horrible s**t :cry:


Do something else then. Make a new plan. Let go of the old plan if it isn't working out.

There's no law that says you have to work more than minimum wage part time. Don't measure yourself against unnecessary rules.



Do something else? Like what? Jobs are s**t.
There are alternatives, of course there are, but they also have consequences. :skull: :skull: :skull:


I wonder how one gets into a gang or drug dealing.


To get into a gang you need contacts. Plus it's not really something you want to get involved in. Gang life is portrayed as glamorous on TV and in movies, but the reality is very different. It's cold, brutal & ruthless. If that sounds good or glamorous to you, then you've got serious issues.
Jobs are still s**t though.


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08 Nov 2016, 6:53 pm

Sly, if you pin all your hopes of happiness on getting a girlfriend, then you will remain unhappy. 

You must come up with a plan to be happy while you're single. 

There's a chance that girls will like you more if you're already happy and content before you start dating them but there's a chance they won't, so you should plan to be happy while single, just in case you don't get a partner. That way you can have a happy life regardless of whether or not you get a girlfriend. 

You should not make your happiness dependant on factors that are controlled by other people. You can't control whether or not girls like you so instead make a plan to be happy that only uses factors that are directly in your control.


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08 Nov 2016, 7:27 pm

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make a plan to be happy that only uses factors that are directly in your control.


Great advice, but taken to its logical extension, we can't make anyone like us—not girlfriends, not platonic friends, not even family—so those of us who have no one must plan for a life of isolation. Kinda depressing.



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08 Nov 2016, 7:32 pm

Of course having a partner is not the only social outlet.

We can still be social. So long as we accept other people how they are, not how we want them to be.

We can't change people but we can choose who to socialise with. Selection of social groups is a factor that is under our control.

People can find similar people, instead o changing people. Similar but not identical, it is our little differences that make life interesting :)


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08 Nov 2016, 7:48 pm

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we can choose who to socialise with. Selection of social groups is a factor that is under our control.


Don't we have the exact same amount of control over platonic relationships as we have over romantic/sexual relationships? In both cases, it won't work out if the other person doesn't like us, regardless of whom we choose.



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08 Nov 2016, 8:36 pm

Either choose those would like you or change yourself to be more likable.

You can't change anyone except yourself.


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08 Nov 2016, 10:19 pm

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Sly, if you pin all your hopes of happiness on getting a girlfriend, then you will remain unhappy. 

You must come up with a plan to be happy while you're single. 

There's a chance that girls will like you more if you're already happy and content before you start dating them but there's a chance they won't, so you should plan to be happy while single, just in case you don't get a partner. That way you can have a happy life regardless of whether or not you get a girlfriend. 

You should not make your happiness dependant on factors that are controlled by other people. You can't control whether or not girls like you so instead make a plan to be happy that only uses factors that are directly in your control.


What if there's no factors you have control over anymore?

Since breaking my wrist, I won't be able to lift weights for 6 months, I can't work on my music, and playing video games is a chore now.

These were the few things that actually make me happy anymore. Now I have none of them.

I'd only be able to tolerate this terrible injury better if I had good friends and a loving girlfriend.

I don't watch tv or movies. I hate passive activities.

Might be an extreme example, but think of all the people who have little control over their lives.

The jobless NEET in a wheelchair, the arm amputee, etc.

If there's one thing I've learnt about being alone, it's that you NEED to be in top physical condition to tolerate it.

Otherwise the minute you break an arm and can't do your hobbies anymore, your whole world comes crashing down.

You know what's funny?

People say "You can't rely on others to make you happy!" yet we rely on our hobbies and interests to make us happy? Isn't this just as bad?

What if soccer is the only thing on this planet that makes you happy anymore and you permanently break your spine, making you wheelchair-bound?



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08 Nov 2016, 10:31 pm

^ you find something else to do.
You adjust.

Be thankful you are only temporarily disabled.


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09 Nov 2016, 4:03 am

Ironically, I value my physical health over my life.

I'd rather die in a sports accident than survive but with an injury.

I'd rather I broke my neck and died instead of surviving with this broken wrist.

I'd rather have 1 year to live if I could spend that last year physically active and injury free.

I'd trade deadly cancer that'll kill me in a year as long as it didn't affect my physical abilities and had minimal effects on my mental health and concentration and functioning.

In my last days I'd blow the rest of my cash on risky extreme sports so when the time comes, I'd go out with a bang.

I wish I was joking, but I'm being entirely serious.

As someone who desperately wants good friends and true love, I'd actually be fine with living the rest of my life with no friends or girlfriend if it meant I could dedicate my time to my health and fitness, which is what I pretty much was doing before this little mishap.

I thought maybe this injury can help me relax and get over my unhealthy obsession with fitness, hopefully it will, because at the moment it's one of the few things that gives me reason to live.

But at least I don't rely on anyone for my happiness!

Nope, I don't depend on another person to make me happy, I can be happy on my own, so long as my body doesn't fail on me!

Can't wait until I'm 40! I'm sure my happiness depending entirely on having a healthy and powerful body won't be a bad thing then!