The Gender discussions on L&D are harming me
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a very male dominated forum, and some threads seem intended to bait women members. This is regrettable. It tends to spread more darkness than light, and I am sure that when Alex created it, his intentions for it were very different, ie mutual support for all members, however this is not the case. Lately it largely functions for a minority of males here (with some chip on their shoulders about women usually) to recruit male supporters of the same mindset to "prove" that they themselves are innocent victims of conniving women, because (in their view) all women are more flawed than they are, and they see themselves as being completely objective observers. I haven't noticed any objectivity there though, and objectivity has no chance with pre-determined mindsets that are looking to blame others.. the slide into gender bigotry happens that way.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
While it is not as misogynistic as it once was (I believe some of the worst offenders have been banned) I know it has turned a number of women away from WP permanently. A common theme is the taking of gender stereotypes to extremes and binaries which do not reflect what is really happening in the real world. In any event, I doubt the forum has ever really helped anyone get a date or start a healthy relationship. Those who seem to benefit most from it seem to be those who are already in relationships who are just asking for different perspectives on certain situations or people who think their spouse or partner is on the spectrum and are looking for some insight and direction.
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
What your suggesting is to exile most of the male autistics from wrong planet. Most autistic males here don’t have relationships. Most autistics who have relationships are happy and don’t come to wrong planet. The forum is full of lonely men and nt women who come to complain about or seek advice for their autistic bf.
Should the rest of wrong plant also just be for successful aspies?
Why do you see it as exile? No one is being banned, they are being given the option to choose the category that best fits their needs.
In any event, I wouldn't worry about it because I have no power to make any changes to WP.
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
*sweatdrop*
I only know this one... I think I seriously need a session with my good friend Google right now.
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
*sweatdrop*
I only know this one... I think I seriously need a session with my good friend Google right now.
I believe Reddit also has a subreddit for people on the spectrum, and one for women on the spectrum, however I believe WP is better than reddit.
Spiderpig wrote:
In fact, I’ve long been under the impression that most people are more or less willing to help those who are already in relationships, while those who have never gotten one are shunned because they have no business being in one. Resorting again to what you probably call a stereotype, I think this behavior makes sense as an evolutionary strategy: those on the process of being weeded out of the gene pool should be left to be weeded out, not helped to pass along their genes anyway, since the species is most likely better off without them.
It's also more easy to help those already in a relationship. Many of them ask specific questions and questions that have potentially helpful answers to them.
If someone involuntarily single asks a specific question people might try to be helpful (although there tends to be some disagreement about what advice is helpful) but if someone is in a truly unfortunate situation that makes dating very difficult and either can't or doesn't want to change helping them get a girl/boyfriend might take a magician that can change how the minds of people of the opposite gender work.
fifasy wrote:
I've stopped going in that part of the forum because quite a few of the posters there come across as lacking any ability to see other points of view and so it is marred by somewhat extreme viewpoints.
I think that's very true. And it's people of both genders. There are those that don't understand why a misogynist comment would put women off or why stereotyping women as morally worse, stupid or generally inferior people is misogynist (if it's a fact it's not misogyny and if someone is a misogynist they see it as a fact). There are those who fail to understand that involuntarily single people can suffer because of it and that it is normal to suffer from loneliness (especially if not just single but friendless) and not something you can choose to snap out of from one moment to another. And there are those who fail to understand that there are not only problems women are more likely to have but also problems men are more likely to have and that being expected to fulfill a certain role in social interactions that is partly determined by gender can not only be a disadvantage for women but also for men (it depends on personality and you get away with some 'flaws' more easily if you are male and with others if you are female).
Generally a lot of people who don't see that an experience they personally didn't have can still be valid.
And sometimes people can argue without either being completely wrong simply because some males see a problem from a purely male perspective and some females from a purely female perspective and both only focus on what seems most relevant for the situation of their gender.
yellowtamarin wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a very male dominated forum, and some threads seem intended to bait women members. This is regrettable. It tends to spread more darkness than light, and I am sure that when Alex created it, his intentions for it were very different, ie mutual support for all members, however this is not the case. Lately it largely functions for a minority of males here (with some chip on their shoulders about women usually) to recruit male supporters of the same mindset to "prove" that they themselves are innocent victims of conniving women, because (in their view) all women are more flawed than they are, and they see themselves as being completely objective observers. I haven't noticed any objectivity there though, and objectivity has no chance with pre-determined mindsets that are looking to blame others.. the slide into gender bigotry happens that way.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
While it is not as misogynistic as it once was (I believe some of the worst offenders have been banned) I know it has turned a number of women away from WP permanently. A common theme is the taking of gender stereotypes to extremes and binaries which do not reflect what is really happening in the real world. In any event, I doubt the forum has ever really helped anyone get a date or start a healthy relationship. Those who seem to benefit most from it seem to be those who are already in relationships who are just asking for different perspectives on certain situations or people who think their spouse or partner is on the spectrum and are looking for some insight and direction.
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
What your suggesting is to exile most of the male autistics from wrong planet. Most autistic males here don’t have relationships. Most autistics who have relationships are happy and don’t come to wrong planet. The forum is full of lonely men and nt women who come to complain about or seek advice for their autistic bf.
Should the rest of wrong plant also just be for successful aspies?
Has the forum helped you get a date or start a relationship Sly?
It helped in some cases to keep them messaging me, it’s also helped keep me from being alone and giving up completely on life, so I’d say if all it ever does is comfort lonely aspies then it’s doing it’s job. And just cause it hasn’t helped me get a relationship doesn’t mean it won’t.
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
Let's add number 4:
A place where those that are single against their own will can start threads to ask for advice in a sivilized manner. No venting and empty complaining allowed (that's for personal diaries and perhaps haven?), just a place for people who look for advice. In fact, a separate area just for venting/complaining where you don't even look for solutions might fix some problems. Those who don't want to read about other people venting just wouldn't go there. And since only people who are already in relationships would be allowed to start topics in section 1, it'd be fair that only singles would get to start topics in section 4. Sounds fair, no?
Oh and by the way, Chronos's list wouldn't just leave single men without a place for talking about relationships, it'd also leave single women without one, so it's not unfair towards men. Yes, Sly, you and some men would be left out, but so would I and some other women here. So no, it's not an attack against men. If we want to call it an attack on some group, it would be singles and their gender would be irrelevant.
Let me guess, feminism will be the ones deciding what’s civilized or not.
Her suggestion is to exile lonely men to Craigslist. Apparently lonely aspie men have no place on wrongplant. What will wp do without 75% of its userbase? Will advertisers keep paying for a site that’s so few people?
Looking for solutions doesn’t mean taking all and any bad solutions people suggest.
There’s more single apsie men then single apsie women, there’s more apsie men then aspie women in the the first place. Her list was meant for men, I’m sure she’d make a exception for women in any final rule set if it got that far.
Maybe we should make haven only for happy apsies, and politics should only be allowed for apsies in political positions. The adult section whole be limited to those in sexual relationships. That’s how silly this is. If anything I say take relationships out of the name and call it love life issues. To suggest those with no active love life or relationships don’t matter is horrible.e I’d say the primary purpose of that’s secti N is to help lonely aspies find relationships not to helps people happily in one. Again almost very single user who found a relationship stops coming to wrongplant. They happy their relationships made them happy in all aspects of life and thus they no longer need wrong planet. If I got a gf tomorrow I’d be gone , I’d be fine with sit and being attacked by women here. This sit is toxic and it’s nit just the men here as some claim but the women too.
Might as this section is a whole lot less toxic then the politics one.
The problem here is people are too caught up in gender alliances, where saying something about any woman is saying something about all women and them. They take anything said as personal attack on themselve. While it’s nothing at all to do with them.
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a very male dominated forum, and some threads seem intended to bait women members. This is regrettable. It tends to spread more darkness than light, and I am sure that when Alex created it, his intentions for it were very different, ie mutual support for all members, however this is not the case. Lately it largely functions for a minority of males here (with some chip on their shoulders about women usually) to recruit male supporters of the same mindset to "prove" that they themselves are innocent victims of conniving women, because (in their view) all women are more flawed than they are, and they see themselves as being completely objective observers. I haven't noticed any objectivity there though, and objectivity has no chance with pre-determined mindsets that are looking to blame others.. the slide into gender bigotry happens that way.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
While it is not as misogynistic as it once was (I believe some of the worst offenders have been banned) I know it has turned a number of women away from WP permanently. A common theme is the taking of gender stereotypes to extremes and binaries which do not reflect what is really happening in the real world. In any event, I doubt the forum has ever really helped anyone get a date or start a healthy relationship. Those who seem to benefit most from it seem to be those who are already in relationships who are just asking for different perspectives on certain situations or people who think their spouse or partner is on the spectrum and are looking for some insight and direction.
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
What your suggesting is to exile most of the male autistics from wrong planet. Most autistic males here don’t have relationships. Most autistics who have relationships are happy and don’t come to wrong planet. The forum is full of lonely men and nt women who come to complain about or seek advice for their autistic bf.
Should the rest of wrong plant also just be for successful aspies?
Why do you see it as exile? No one is being banned, they are being given the option to choose the category that best fits their needs.
In any event, I wouldn't worry about it because I have no power to make any changes to WP.
>>>>>2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.<<<<<
Exile them to Craigslist.
Sorry we don’t care about your issues so we’re sending you to another site bye.
Sending lonely men to Craigslist isn’t a category on this site. It’s exiling them to another site where no one will give w s**t about hem and if anything it’ll open them to nasty messages from people who hate autistics.
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I tried a bunch , non of them are anywhere as active as wp nor near the user base.
So if you ok posting and then weeks later getting a reply they ok.
Most the threads I saw hadn’t been replied in for weeks or months. There was one or two that’d been active in the last week I was there. So I haven’t been back.
Here your get a reply in few seconds to hours.
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sly279 wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
Let's add number 4:
A place where those that are single against their own will can start threads to ask for advice in a sivilized manner. No venting and empty complaining allowed (that's for personal diaries and perhaps haven?), just a place for people who look for advice. In fact, a separate area just for venting/complaining where you don't even look for solutions might fix some problems. Those who don't want to read about other people venting just wouldn't go there. And since only people who are already in relationships would be allowed to start topics in section 1, it'd be fair that only singles would get to start topics in section 4. Sounds fair, no?
Oh and by the way, Chronos's list wouldn't just leave single men without a place for talking about relationships, it'd also leave single women without one, so it's not unfair towards men. Yes, Sly, you and some men would be left out, but so would I and some other women here. So no, it's not an attack against men. If we want to call it an attack on some group, it would be singles and their gender would be irrelevant.
Let me guess, feminism will be the ones deciding what’s civilized or not.
Her suggestion is to exile lonely men to Craigslist. Apparently lonely aspie men have no place on wrongplant. What will wp do without 75% of its userbase? Will advertisers keep paying for a site that’s so few people?
Looking for solutions doesn’t mean taking all and any bad solutions people suggest.
There’s more single apsie men then single apsie women, there’s more apsie men then aspie women in the the first place. Her list was meant for men, I’m sure she’d make a exception for women in any final rule set if it got that far.
Maybe we should make haven only for happy apsies, and politics should only be allowed for apsies in political positions. The adult section whole be limited to those in sexual relationships. That’s how silly this is. If anything I say take relationships out of the name and call it love life issues. To suggest those with no active love life or relationships don’t matter is horrible.e I’d say the primary purpose of that’s secti N is to help lonely aspies find relationships not to helps people happily in one. Again almost very single user who found a relationship stops coming to wrongplant. They happy their relationships made them happy in all aspects of life and thus they no longer need wrong planet. If I got a gf tomorrow I’d be gone , I’d be fine with sit and being attacked by women here. This sit is toxic and it’s nit just the men here as some claim but the women too.
Might as this section is a whole lot less toxic then the politics one.
The problem here is people are too caught up in gender alliances, where saying something about any woman is saying something about all women and them. They take anything said as personal attack on themselve. While it’s nothing at all to do with them.
You make some good points here, sly, about how anyone should be able to post anywhere etc.. but you lost me at blaming this site and others for being toxic. You are one of the most toxic-to-yourself posters here because you're nearly constantly putting yourself down. Work on being less toxic to yourself before pointing the finger at others.
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Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Maybe I should take a look at that "Autism forums" -place too... are the members active? ...Or actually, is it worth taking a look at? Would you say it is, Chronos? 'Cause I could really use a place where I could talk about my lovelife issues... or well, the lack of them and how that makes me feel.
I couldn't say. I'm not a member there. It is one of many other ASD websites.
*sweatdrop*
I only know this one... I think I seriously need a session with my good friend Google right now.
I believe Reddit also has a subreddit for people on the spectrum, and one for women on the spectrum, however I believe WP is better than reddit.
I strongly urge apsies not to use reddit or Craigslist for aspie stuff. Those sites are open to anyone as*hole who hates aspies to send you mean threatening messages. Unlike wrongplant where anyone doing such would be banned . Those sites are too big for their mods to give a crap, or if they do to notice it’s happening. I browse reddit for other stuff and mean comments happen a lot I could only imagine it’s be horrible to be an open aspie on them.
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sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a very male dominated forum, and some threads seem intended to bait women members. This is regrettable. It tends to spread more darkness than light, and I am sure that when Alex created it, his intentions for it were very different, ie mutual support for all members, however this is not the case. Lately it largely functions for a minority of males here (with some chip on their shoulders about women usually) to recruit male supporters of the same mindset to "prove" that they themselves are innocent victims of conniving women, because (in their view) all women are more flawed than they are, and they see themselves as being completely objective observers. I haven't noticed any objectivity there though, and objectivity has no chance with pre-determined mindsets that are looking to blame others.. the slide into gender bigotry happens that way.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
While it is not as misogynistic as it once was (I believe some of the worst offenders have been banned) I know it has turned a number of women away from WP permanently. A common theme is the taking of gender stereotypes to extremes and binaries which do not reflect what is really happening in the real world. In any event, I doubt the forum has ever really helped anyone get a date or start a healthy relationship. Those who seem to benefit most from it seem to be those who are already in relationships who are just asking for different perspectives on certain situations or people who think their spouse or partner is on the spectrum and are looking for some insight and direction.
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
What your suggesting is to exile most of the male autistics from wrong planet. Most autistic males here don’t have relationships. Most autistics who have relationships are happy and don’t come to wrong planet. The forum is full of lonely men and nt women who come to complain about or seek advice for their autistic bf.
Should the rest of wrong plant also just be for successful aspies?
Why do you see it as exile? No one is being banned, they are being given the option to choose the category that best fits their needs.
In any event, I wouldn't worry about it because I have no power to make any changes to WP.
>>>>>2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.<<<<<
Exile them to Craigslist.
Sorry we don’t care about your issues so we’re sending you to another site bye.
Sending lonely men to Craigslist isn’t a category on this site. It’s exiling them to another site where no one will give w s**t about hem and if anything it’ll open them to nasty messages from people who hate autistics.
Chronos does make a good point that the sorts of threads started about how the whole world doesn't conform to one's own ideals would be right at home in Craigslist's Rants and Raves section.
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goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Fireblossom wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
Let's add number 4:
A place where those that are single against their own will can start threads to ask for advice in a sivilized manner. No venting and empty complaining allowed (that's for personal diaries and perhaps haven?), just a place for people who look for advice. In fact, a separate area just for venting/complaining where you don't even look for solutions might fix some problems. Those who don't want to read about other people venting just wouldn't go there. And since only people who are already in relationships would be allowed to start topics in section 1, it'd be fair that only singles would get to start topics in section 4. Sounds fair, no?
Oh and by the way, Chronos's list wouldn't just leave single men without a place for talking about relationships, it'd also leave single women without one, so it's not unfair towards men. Yes, Sly, you and some men would be left out, but so would I and some other women here. So no, it's not an attack against men. If we want to call it an attack on some group, it would be singles and their gender would be irrelevant.
Let me guess, feminism will be the ones deciding what’s civilized or not.
Her suggestion is to exile lonely men to Craigslist. Apparently lonely aspie men have no place on wrongplant. What will wp do without 75% of its userbase? Will advertisers keep paying for a site that’s so few people?
Looking for solutions doesn’t mean taking all and any bad solutions people suggest.
There’s more single apsie men then single apsie women, there’s more apsie men then aspie women in the the first place. Her list was meant for men, I’m sure she’d make a exception for women in any final rule set if it got that far.
Maybe we should make haven only for happy apsies, and politics should only be allowed for apsies in political positions. The adult section whole be limited to those in sexual relationships. That’s how silly this is. If anything I say take relationships out of the name and call it love life issues. To suggest those with no active love life or relationships don’t matter is horrible.e I’d say the primary purpose of that’s secti N is to help lonely aspies find relationships not to helps people happily in one. Again almost very single user who found a relationship stops coming to wrongplant. They happy their relationships made them happy in all aspects of life and thus they no longer need wrong planet. If I got a gf tomorrow I’d be gone , I’d be fine with sit and being attacked by women here. This sit is toxic and it’s nit just the men here as some claim but the women too.
Might as this section is a whole lot less toxic then the politics one.
The problem here is people are too caught up in gender alliances, where saying something about any woman is saying something about all women and them. They take anything said as personal attack on themselve. While it’s nothing at all to do with them.
You make some good points here, sly, about how anyone should be able to post anywhere etc.. but you lost me at blaming this site and others for being toxic. You are one of the most toxic-to-yourself posters here because you're nearly constantly putting yourself down. Work on being less toxic to yourself before pointing the finger at others.
I talk to others who left and say it’s toxic and I should leave.
Toxic to myself is fine others being toxic to me or others isn’t.
If you saw some guy beating his head into a wall would yo just start kicking him too figurng it’s ok he was already beating himself up.
I repeat what I’ve been told by women. I stopped thinking otherwise. The numbers only point to me being worthless. Thousands of women say it about me, so are thousands of women wrong? Or am I wrong? There’s only one logical answer to that. Mean not a a single woman has ever liked me, said I’m a good man, said I’m loveable, they all say I’m not a real man, worthless, Undatable.
If a person gets rejected by every last single college they only conclusion is they aren’t college material, not to dilusionally think they are an all the colleges are just wrong.
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Chronos wrote:
B19 wrote:
It's a very male dominated forum, and some threads seem intended to bait women members. This is regrettable. It tends to spread more darkness than light, and I am sure that when Alex created it, his intentions for it were very different, ie mutual support for all members, however this is not the case. Lately it largely functions for a minority of males here (with some chip on their shoulders about women usually) to recruit male supporters of the same mindset to "prove" that they themselves are innocent victims of conniving women, because (in their view) all women are more flawed than they are, and they see themselves as being completely objective observers. I haven't noticed any objectivity there though, and objectivity has no chance with pre-determined mindsets that are looking to blame others.. the slide into gender bigotry happens that way.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
I can understand that you find it toxic and you are far from alone. It generates the most complaints to moderators on most weeks. Best avoided.
While it is not as misogynistic as it once was (I believe some of the worst offenders have been banned) I know it has turned a number of women away from WP permanently. A common theme is the taking of gender stereotypes to extremes and binaries which do not reflect what is really happening in the real world. In any event, I doubt the forum has ever really helped anyone get a date or start a healthy relationship. Those who seem to benefit most from it seem to be those who are already in relationships who are just asking for different perspectives on certain situations or people who think their spouse or partner is on the spectrum and are looking for some insight and direction.
Personally I think it should be removed and replaced with three other things.
1. A "relationships" forum and threads should only be started by those already in relationships.
2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.
3. An "I hate the opposite sex" link that redirects to information on how to join the clergy, because one can't have a romantic relationship with someone from the demographic they hate, so they might as well become a priest or monk or nun.
What your suggesting is to exile most of the male autistics from wrong planet. Most autistic males here don’t have relationships. Most autistics who have relationships are happy and don’t come to wrong planet. The forum is full of lonely men and nt women who come to complain about or seek advice for their autistic bf.
Should the rest of wrong plant also just be for successful aspies?
Why do you see it as exile? No one is being banned, they are being given the option to choose the category that best fits their needs.
In any event, I wouldn't worry about it because I have no power to make any changes to WP.
>>>>>2. An "I like to complain that the world does not abide by my rules" link that redirects to the rants and raves section of craigslist.<<<<<
Exile them to Craigslist.
Sorry we don’t care about your issues so we’re sending you to another site bye.
Sending lonely men to Craigslist isn’t a category on this site. It’s exiling them to another site where no one will give w s**t about hem and if anything it’ll open them to nasty messages from people who hate autistics.
Chronos does make a good point that the sorts of threads started about how the whole world doesn't conform to one's own ideals would be right at home in Craigslist's Rants and Raves section.
Then go tell feminist they should only post there then. Their whole movement is about how the world doesn’t conform to their idea. And guess what? They changed the whole world so it would conform to their idea. The world and society can be changed it can be fixed for the better. No reason it can’t be changed to help mean too and rid ourselves of outdated male requirements.
Original feminism looked at the world as unfair towards women, and set out to change it. I’m sure many said to them what yiu say to me. And if they’d given up like you want me to then women wouldn’t have the equality they do today.