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Joe90 since you posted this in the Haven, it doesn't look like you are seeking advice or a proper perspective. Rather you are seeking sympathy.

So you have my heartfelt sympathy. Stay safe and well.

But pause for a moment and consider one of our members kraftiekortie. He lives in the New York City area. He came down with COVID several months ago and he recovered. He essential got the immunity shot, Mother Nature's immunity shot. He was tested and has a piece of paper to prove it. He really doesn't need to wear a mask any longer. He cannot infect other people by expelling viruses through his breath because his natural immune system has killed them. He should just be able to go on and live his life like normal at this time.

I understand Joe’s anxiety well—trust me.

I know she doesn’t really want to start a war. She’s just upset.

It’s like me saying I want to kill my mother when I’m pissed with her. Do you think I really want to kill her?

She has every right to feel angry, upset and anxious. Usually when we feel that way we want to lash out, as it makes us feel better even if it doesn't really change anything.

There’s different kinds of immunity.

There’s something called “T-cell immunity” which isn’t tested using antibody tests. But this is a more permanent sort of immunity.

You don’t get immunity like you get immunity from measles or chicken pox. But you do probably get immunity from serious disease.

One reason COVID could be serious is that it’s a new disease. It’s quite possible this will become like all the other established coronaviruses and flu vaccines. There will be outbreaks....but they will take more of the character of “normal” flu outbreaks, I feel.

Can someone PLEASE explain in simple words:
Does immunity result from having Covid 19?
If there are 2 types of immunity, PLEASE help me understand.
I have read that Covid 19 creates antibodies which basically do nothing, and there have been local cases, documented, medical records and everything, of individuals catching it a SECOND time.
I just read here on WP that immunity results, but wears off
Can someone PLEASE clarify for me?
I feel like every 2-3 days the ‘facts’ change!
I truly appreciate any accurate information, especially with sources I can read for myself.

Sorry I lashed out. I don't have anything against Chinese people, in case that is what some people thought here. I just hate the Chinese government, and I just feel angry that all this could have easily been avoided if the Chinese government were civilized human beings.

If COVID never happened, or was dealt with humanely when it was first discovered, then my (unemployed) boyfriend would have found another job by now, I wouldn't be worrying and fretting about losing my job, and I'd be spending as much time with my mother as I can before the cancer gets the better of her.

I just feel like I'm going mad from all the uncertainty, and blaming and hurling hate at the people that started it all seems like the only option for me at the moment. I'm just scared of what's to become. The recession is scaring me more than the virus. I remember the recession in 2008 and I was unemployed then. It was extremely hard getting a job, and having a disability made it even more impossible because my job search is limited. I never want to work in retail or any hospitals or care homes again. I don't even want to be thinking about losing my job and having to look for work. For the first time in my life I am actually settled in a job. Nobody understands how severely distressing being unemployed will be for me. My boyfriend has been unemployed since last Christmas and we are just about getting by but if I was to lose my job then we will be up s**t street. If we fail to pay the rent just once, the (selfish and greedy) landlords have the power to just kick us out, pandemic or no pandemic. My boyfriend often has to borrow my money (£1000 sometimes) to keep up with the rent. He does get financial help but it is just enough to cover bills and taxes, which I do contribute to but I can't manage everything financially. I'm so scared that I'm going to lose everything; my mother, my job, my pets, my home - everything that is making my life worth living and keeping a healthy state of mind. It's not fair.

1. There are IgG antibodies, which reveal themselves soon after a COVID infection, and can be detected through antibody testing. I was positive for IgG antibodies, which basically means I had COVID.

2. There are T-Cell antibodies, which reveal themselves a little later. In AIDS, T-cell measurements are taken. The lower the T-Cell count, the worse the person is. I wonder why they’re not testing people for T-Cell amounts. Maybe it’s because T-Cells occur in all infections.

3. Nobody can get immune from COVID like one can from measles or chickenpox. But, like certain types of flus, one could become temporarily immune from it, and get less severe disease the more they’re exposed to it. This has been found to be the case in many strains of flu, but it hasn’t been conclusively proven in COVID.

4. I was with my wife (not sexually, but we were close to each other sometimes) when she had COVID after I had COVID. If I didn’t have antibodies for it, I certainly would have gotten COVID.

5. There have been less than 20 instances where there is conclusive evidence that someone got COVID twice—out of almost 47 million cases with almost 34 million recoveries.

This is a ridiculous overreaction IMO.

Lockdowns won’t last forever. Vaccines will be developed and improved. Treatments also continue to improve, making it ever more likely that economies will open back up as when people do get sick doctors will be able to prevent them from getting Very Sick/dying.

As for a low % dying, yeah, sure, BUT, a Very high % of covid patients have permanent lung &/or heart damage, some have kidney damage etc etc. It’s not an autistic “all or nothing,” scenario of .1% die and everyone else is perfectly fine.

Mitigation efforts are to prevent deaths but Also to prevent as many people as possible from suffering long term health effects from having had COVID-19. Imagine if the whole world just let ‘er rip like trump’s cultists and 75% of kids grow up with hearts that have permanent damage, resulting in lifelong disabilities, future cardiovascular complications, surgeries, and shortened lifespans. That’s not a world I want to see kids grow up in and thus I am 100% A-Okay with the temporary sacrifices of lockdowns and social distancing/isolation etc. All of these sacrifices buy time for researchers, scientists, and doctors of various disciplines to develop ever better workable solutions to this still evolving global pandemic. It’s only been 9-10 months and they already have better treatment methods & medicines than in the very beginning as well as vaccines in trial stages that typically take 3-4 years to reach.

The plague didn’t last forever. Neither did the Spanish Flu. Be patient - highly educated smart people are working around the clock at breakneck speeds in global cooperation to resolve this ASAP. Have a little faith and give them time - do your part by continuing to make the sacrifices in your life that limit the spread so as few people as necessary get sick or die from this. Eventually it’ll all be over and we can celebrate a return to normalcy and give ourselves one hell of a pat on the back for being disciplined & considerate of others by making our personal sacrifices - even if it means carrying on like this for a few short years.

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