I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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26 May 2021, 3:25 pm

Probability of severe side effects is extremely low. Way lower chance than getting severe covid and ending up with permanent organ damage or dying. Vaccine > getting covid. Period. Just get it done already so we can all be done with this pandemic.


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26 May 2021, 3:36 pm

Humans are strange creatures. 1000 people could get vaccinated with no side effects, 1 person could happen to die after receiving the vaccine for unrelated causes, and that could be enough to put people off the vaccine. It's how the human mind works. How come so many people smoke, knowing the risks of lung cancer and other diseases?

I just wish that the media wouldn't report any deaths of people after having the vaccine, because people are going to panic. If they want everyone to have the vaccine then the words "vaccine" and "death" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. It's not fair to force everyone to have a vaccine some people are unsure about.

If I had my way I would wait until next spring to see if there are any reports of long-term effects from the vaccine. But because my boyfriend is threatening to disown me if I refuse the vaccine, I guess I have no choice. I try to tell him that the vaccines don't stop you getting the virus, it just prevents you getting ill if you do catch the virus, so me being vaccinated won't make any difference to him as he's had both his vaccinations, but he won't listen to me. He just shakes his head and interrupts. I don't want to feel pressured into it, at least not yet.


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26 May 2021, 3:48 pm

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Humans are strange creatures. 1000 people could get vaccinated with no side effects, 1 person could happen to die after receiving the vaccine for unrelated causes, and that could be enough to put people off the vaccine. It's how the human mind works. How come so many people smoke, knowing the risks of lung cancer and other diseases?

I just wish that the media wouldn't report any deaths of people after having the vaccine, because people are going to panic. If they want everyone to have the vaccine then the words "vaccine" and "death" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. It's not fair to force everyone to have a vaccine some people are unsure about.

If I had my way I would wait until next spring to see if there are any reports of long-term effects from the vaccine. But because my boyfriend is threatening to disown me if I refuse the vaccine, I guess I have no choice. I try to tell him that the vaccines don't stop you getting the virus, it just prevents you getting ill if you do catch the virus, so me being vaccinated won't make any difference to him as he's had both his vaccinations, but he won't listen to me. He just shakes his head and interrupts. I don't want to feel pressured into it, at least not yet.


It's hard to attribute a lot of the horror stories at the extreme end of the scale to the vaccine itself because incidences of such bad problems are so few and far between that it could have just been an inevitability for those people vaccine or not.

A lot of those people who came to "grief" from the vaccine might have been morbidly obese and a blood clot was going to happen regardless. How many people in the UK in their 30s and 20s are morbidly obese, have heart problems, diabetes, liver problems and compromised immune systems due to their poor lifestyle and not even know? It muddies the water a lot.

If it's a load of Olympic athletes very occasionally come down with serious problems shortly after the vaccine then yes, that might be a red flag but if you seen the obese people at the vaccination centre who looked decades older than they were then you have nothing to worry about. If those can survive the vaccine I'm sure you'll have no trouble



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26 May 2021, 4:47 pm

The vaccines do actually prevent COVID----most of the time.

If they don't prevent COVID, then you get a mild illness, and be done with it.

If you're going to get COVID, it's much much better to get it while vaccinated.

I do know that Queens County, before many got vaccinated, had at least 1,000 cases a day every day for MONTHS. Today, we had 96 cases, out of about 135,000 people who were tested.



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26 May 2021, 6:07 pm

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Humans are strange creatures. 1000 people could get vaccinated with no side effects, 1 person could happen to die after receiving the vaccine for unrelated causes, and that could be enough to put people off the vaccine. It's how the human mind works. How come so many people smoke, knowing the risks of lung cancer and other diseases?

I just wish that the media wouldn't report any deaths of people after having the vaccine, because people are going to panic. If they want everyone to have the vaccine then the words "vaccine" and "death" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. It's not fair to force everyone to have a vaccine some people are unsure about.

If I had my way I would wait until next spring to see if there are any reports of long-term effects from the vaccine. But because my boyfriend is threatening to disown me if I refuse the vaccine, I guess I have no choice. I try to tell him that the vaccines don't stop you getting the virus, it just prevents you getting ill if you do catch the virus, so me being vaccinated won't make any difference to him as he's had both his vaccinations, but he won't listen to me. He just shakes his head and interrupts. I don't want to feel pressured into it, at least not yet.


Long term side effects are already known. Studies were conducted at 50-100% longer durations than typical vaccine studies - 45 or 60 days instead of 30. There's no vaccine ever created that has a "time release," side effect that shows up 12 months later. Either people have side effects within the first few days or weeks, or they don't have side effects. The End. Full stop. Period.

Actually, the mRNA vaccines Do help prevent covid infection.

"According to the study, which was conducted on nearly 4,000 healthcare workers, first responders, and other essential workers at the frontlines in eight locations across the country, the mRNA vaccines are 90 percent effective at preventing infection. That means in addition to stopping the development of Covid-19 symptoms, they can stop the disease from spreading from one person to another, too."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... 0be6aa1688

E V E R Y O N E should feel pressured into it Right Now, IMO. That's how we end this pandemic. Herd immunity achieved via vaccination instead of just letting everyone get sick and die. So ridiculous people believing conspiracy theory nonsense and not getting a vaccine when it's available to them, meanwhile people in other countries are literally dying because they don't have access to a vaccine they wish they could get.


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26 May 2021, 7:14 pm

When we first got the polio vaccine, do you think people just refused to get the shot, or drink the liquid?

Imagine if that would have happened!

We would still be victimized by polio today.



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26 May 2021, 7:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
When we first got the polio vaccine, do you think people just refused to get the shot, or drink the liquid?

Imagine if that would have happened!

We would still be victimized by polio today.


But were there scaremongering and conspiracy theories about the polio vaccine?


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26 May 2021, 7:19 pm

You feel much like I did, Joe. I was terrified because of my blood clot / stroke history. I was hoping to wait a lot longer and see the long-term effects, since I'm not putting anyone at risk. I'm very much reclusive and I don't work so I wasn't in danger of infecting anyone, or even being infected myself. I was pretty much bullied into getting the vaccine by my family. I know this might not be a consolation to you but I was absolutely fine with my Pfizer. I understand your phobia of nausea. If the vaccine had a chance of making some of my phobias come to life around me, I would have given it more thought too. I get that. I just want you to know that I did it and I'm fine, and God knows I'm a stubborn one who doesn't make decisions easily.

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26 May 2021, 7:25 pm

By the way Joe, no your Covid vaccine letter will not say anything about Autism. ^


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26 May 2021, 7:36 pm

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You feel much like I did, Joe. I was terrified because of my blood clot / stroke history. I was hoping to wait a lot longer and see the long-term effects, since I'm not putting anyone at risk. I'm very much reclusive and I don't work so I wasn't in danger of infecting anyone, or even being infected myself. I was pretty much bullied into getting the vaccine by my family. I know this might not be a consolation to you but I was absolutely fine with my Pfizer. I understand your phobia of nausea. If the vaccine had a chance of making some of my phobias come to life around me, I would have given it more thought too. I get that. I just want you to know that I did it and I'm fine, and God knows I'm a stubborn one who doesn't make decisions easily.

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I was thinking of taking an Avomine pill, which is an antisickness pill, after I've had my vaccine, just so I can relax a bit better. But I'm not sure if there are any rules of which tablets you can and can't take shortly after being vaccinated.

I have been advised to not search Google for any information about the vaccines because of so much misinformation that could set me back into panic mode again. That is why I'd rather talk about it personally.

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By the way Joe, no your Covid vaccine letter will not say anything about Autism. ^


Good. I often have nightmares of my ASD being revealed beyond my control.


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26 May 2021, 7:40 pm

There were no conspiracy theories----because people were so scared of polio in those days. And we didn't have the Internet.

It took a couple of years for everybody around the world to get the polio vaccine.

The distribution of the COVID vaccine is better than it was in the late 50s-early 60s---but it's still not good enough. Believe it or not, only 4.4% of adults in Canada have been vaccinated fully---and it's right next to the US, where about 40% have been fully vaccinated.

Polio was a mild illness for about 80% of cases----but a strong minority got worse things from polio, like paralysis.

Isabella is very sensitive to how you feel, which is good. And I can understand your skepticism, too.



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26 May 2021, 10:01 pm

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I was thinking of taking an Avomine pill, which is an antisickness pill, after I've had my vaccine, just so I can relax a bit better. But I'm not sure if there are any rules of which tablets you can and can't take shortly after being vaccinated.

I have been advised to not search Google for any information about the vaccines because of so much misinformation that could set me back into panic mode again. That is why I'd rather talk about it personally.


Good. I often have nightmares of my ASD being revealed beyond my control.


I would schedule the jab when you won't have to work the next day, just so you will be even less worried about side effects and you'll have one less thing to worry about. There are no restrictions on taking medicine afterward. I had a bad day for other reasons when I got my vaccine and I came home wanting a hard drink. I assumed I wasn't allowed to drink alcohol or even take my sedative after it, but I read the leaflet and it said there were no concerns. Then I googled (so you don't have to lol), and it reaffirmed that I could drink and there were no restrictions.

My daughter has Epilepsy and gets severe nausea with her seizures so she takes anti-nausea meds which are strong enough for patients doing chemotherapy. She asked the nurse if she could take it after her vaccine if she needed it and they said yes. She didn't need it. She said she felt "Stupid, stoned, and starving" after her vaccine, but not sick. She was laughing a lot and couldn't stop eating. I'm sure if she could have such a strong anti-nausea med, you can take something too.

Your letter won't mention Autism, and the nurses won't say anything when you go in. They likely won't know but regardless your health history is confidential. I don't know of anyone being asked if they were Autistic and I've checked with other autistic people in UK. When I went I told them I was autistic so that I could have a support person with me, but that actually had nothing to do with my autism. I was just having a rough day as I'd witnessed an attempted robbery and I was in the midst of a family drama right when I went in. Otherwise I would have just gone in alone and no one would have mentioned Autism. They did ask about allergies and reactions to other medications etc., but nothing about ASD or mental health.


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27 May 2021, 3:46 am

I am grateful for the supportive and encouraging posts here in this thread, from IsabellaLinton, Kraftiekortie, Goldfish and others too. Reassurance is usually the best 'treatment' for my panic attacks. I think that as long as I'm prepared for any possible side effects, I will be able to go through with it.


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27 May 2021, 6:49 am

Thanks :)



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27 May 2021, 10:15 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
There were no conspiracy theories----because people were so scared of polio in those days. And we didn't have the Internet.

It took a couple of years for everybody around the world to get the polio vaccine.

The distribution of the COVID vaccine is better than it was in the late 50s-early 60s---but it's still not good enough. Believe it or not, only 4.4% of adults in Canada have been vaccinated fully---and it's right next to the US, where about 40% have been fully vaccinated.

Polio was a mild illness for about 80% of cases----but a strong minority got worse things from polio, like paralysis.

Isabella is very sensitive to how you feel, which is good. And I can understand your skepticism, too.


Due to supply, not demand. Canadians are anxiously waiting for second shots, but we can't get vaccines fast enough. Because supply is very limited, and Canada didn't pay for any manufacturing rights options - only vaccine purchase options.. so we have to wait until the vaccine makers are good and ready to send us vaccines.. and the USA pretty much has first dibs on supply.. anyways, because supply is limited, BC opted to roll the dice on getting as many people as possible a first dose for ~80% protection instead of double dosing seniors first and letting covid spread amongst younger people. My 13yo God daughter is getting her first shot today, so they've almost worked themselves through all the age groups for dose one. We were told 4 months for dose 2, but the timeline is shortening.. maybe less than 12 weeks instead of 16 as more supply becomes available. BC just announced their re-opening plans yesterday and they're hoping to be able to stick to them.. but if a variant starts spreading through only single dosed people, well, they said they'd have to throttle things back and hold off on their reopening timeline vs. reopen too early and F things up.

Just pointing out that the low rate of fully vaccinated adults in Canada is Not because of vaccine hesitancy, it's because of a low supply of vaccines. There are some conspiracy theory types here, too - I know some, mostly anti-authoritarian hippies from the beach that don't understand science very well. But for the most part, Canadians are ready and willing to get fully vaccinated ASAP.

@Joe90: Do you know which vaccine is available to you? The new style mRNA ones have fewer potential side effects. My first shot was Moderna. Only real side effect was a stiff arm/neck - whoopeedoo bigfatnothing. I'm hoping my next shot is Pfizer just to mix up the delivery method capsules and possibly create more antibodies via a slightly different immune response. Apparently we're having a hard time getting Moderna now so second shots may be Pfizer - which mixing I've read has been tested and approved as effective.


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27 May 2021, 10:55 am

I know it's because of supply, and not demand.

Didn't I say the US should do better by their Canadian allies when it comes to the vaccine?

Please do get the vaccine, Joe.