Why ain't my cousin on the spectrum?

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02 Jan 2023, 10:33 pm

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I feel so suicidal. I feel like physically punching myself to death.


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What are they going to do, magically rewire my worthless brain into a lovely NT brain?

I think I need some sleep.



Perhaps a medication adjustment, or a change of meds.
Perhaps counselling with an autism / ADHD specialist.
Perhaps grief therapy.
Perhaps inpatient psych care.
When people say they want to unalive themselves, they need help.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:01 pm

I'll be OK, it's just the peak of a depressive episode. I get depression that hits me and I feel resentful and jealous of NTs for a couple of days, then I'm OK again.

I'm trying to be NT, and to be like an NT you have to think like them. I don't believe in diets to help me feel more NT. Nothing helps at the moment, with me depression is like the common cold, you just have to let it run its course, then I'm happy and contented again.

But at the moment I hate myself.
Having therapy is difficult for me because it interferes with my sleep. I don't sleep at night and the only time my body is ready to sleep is the morning, so I'm sleeping all morning until midday, and then I work all afternoon. The times I have off are the times therapy sessions don't run (evenings and weekends).
I hate being on meds anyway. I wish I could come off the meds I'm on now but when I get depression episodes like this I wimp out of coming off the meds. If I wasn't on meds right now I probably would be hitting myself angrily, but thanks to the meds I'm more in control.

I think living in a world where most people are obsessed with alcohol and weed while I'm not is what makes me feel more isolated than autism does.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:03 pm

Cancer is a “terrible disease” much of the time.

Autism, for many, is really not a “terrible disease.” There are many degrees of autism.

Many people, autistic or not, don’t have “normal brains.” Many people, despite not having “normal brains,” are more successful than those with “normal brains.”

Nobody hates themselves because they have cancer. They have done nothing wrong to other people merely because of having cancer. Same with autism.

I hope you sleep well, Joe.



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02 Jan 2023, 11:04 pm

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I think living in a world where most people are obsessed with alcohol and weed while I'm not is what makes me feel more isolated than autism does.


I think you'll find most people don't take weed and drink in moderation Joe.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:11 pm

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Nobody hates themselves because they have cancer.


Sadly my mum hated herself for having cancer. We saw she had written some awful stuff about herself before she died, calling herself a c* for having cancer. It was heartbreaking.

It's easier to blame yourself hatefully when having a neurological disorder than a physical illness. You think that just because it's in your brain you should be able to control it. The reality is that nobody can help having autism, but irrationally it feels like I should. If I had disabled legs that made me wheelchair bound I probably wouldn't live my life hating myself for having abnormal legs. Maybe I'd hate my legs but not my actual self. But having a brain like this makes you hate yourself (if you're not happy with it) because your brain is you, I suppose.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:16 pm

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I think living in a world where most people are obsessed with alcohol and weed while I'm not is what makes me feel more isolated than autism does.


I think you'll find most people don't take weed and drink in moderation Joe.


They do when they're together. It's like they can't seem to socialise without needing drugs or alcohol. People who have social skills they can take for granted depending on alcohol and weed to motivate themselves when around people is absurd! It's a bit like us able-bodied people taking steroids to walk or something.

Maybe if drugs and alcohol didn't exist a lot of NTs wouldn't bother leaving their sofas on a Saturday night.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:21 pm

Many people with autism happen to have great brains. You might have a unique talent in writing. Who knows?

Why don’t you post your writings here? Or in a blog. Create “episodes.” Make sure you indicate it’s copyrighted, so nobody steals your ideas. Like Charles Dickens.

Just because one is “NT”—one is not immunized from sorrow. Sorrow has many causes, and is frequently manifested in those with “normal brains.”

Why does your boyfriend drink, and can’t help drinking, despite being “NT”?

I am of the opinion that many people are their own worst enemy. They frequently do not have a true conception of themselves.



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02 Jan 2023, 11:37 pm

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Many people with autism happen to have great brains. I have an average brain. You might have a unique talent in writing. Who knows?


There have been many successful NT writers. If I was NT I may still be a writer. Except my autobiographies would probably be a little more exciting. My autobiographies are full of interesting stuff that nearly happened to me but didn't. It's really told from the perspective of someone (me) who is watching interesting things happening to everyone around me, because I was basically just existing.

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Just because one is “NT”—one is not immunized from sorrow. Sorrow has many causes, and is frequently manifested in those with “normal brains.”


I know that. But I'd rather be NT with sorrows than an Aspie with sorrows. Not saying their problems aren't valid, I'm just saying that living in a world that's designed for your neurology helps. I know NTs with depression can feel isolated and even feel different from their peers, and this world is not designed for people with depression either.

People who don't identify themselves as a gender are becoming accepted by society and the world is accommodating to it and people who don't agree get named and shamed, yet people with autism, ADHD and mental health disorders (such as depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc) are still living in the dark. I'm not trying to stir anything up, I'm just writing that before anyone replies with "it's because NTs are the majority".


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02 Jan 2023, 11:43 pm

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Many people with autism happen to have great brains. I have an average brain. You might have a unique talent in writing. Who knows?


There have been many successful NT writers. If I was NT I may still be a writer. Except my autobiographies would probably be a little more exciting. My autobiographies are full of interesting stuff that nearly happened to me but didn't. It's really told from the perspective of someone (me) who is watching interesting things happening to everyone around me, because I was basically just existing.

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Just because one is “NT”—one is not immunized from sorrow. Sorrow has many causes, and is frequently manifested in those with “normal brains.”


I know that. But I'd rather be NT with sorrows than an Aspie with sorrows. Not saying their problems aren't valid, I'm just saying that living in a world that's designed for your neurology helps. I know NTs with depression can feel isolated and even feel different from their peers, and this world is not designed for people with depression either.

People who don't identify themselves as a gender are becoming accepted by society and the world is accommodating to it and people who don't agree get named and shamed, yet people with autism, ADHD and mental health disorders (such as depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc) are still living in the dark. I'm not trying to stir anything up, I'm just writing that before anyone replies with "it's because NTs are the majority".



..apples to oranges. Different gender identities don’t come with behaviours that are considered socially unacceptable.

It’s always bizarre to me that some people on the spectrum think that there is ever going to be complete acceptance of autistic behaviours. They’re socially unacceptable full stop period.. unacceptable behaviours are simply never going to be acceptable. Is what it is.


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02 Jan 2023, 11:45 pm

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Many people with autism happen to have great brains. I have an average brain. You might have a unique talent in writing. Who knows?


There have been many successful NT writers. If I was NT I may still be a writer. Except my autobiographies would probably be a little more exciting. My autobiographies are full of interesting stuff that nearly happened to me but didn't. It's really told from the perspective of someone (me) who is watching interesting things happening to everyone around me, because I was basically just existing.

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Just because one is “NT”—one is not immunized from sorrow. Sorrow has many causes, and is frequently manifested in those with “normal brains.”


I know that. But I'd rather be NT with sorrows than an Aspie with sorrows. Not saying their problems aren't valid, I'm just saying that living in a world that's designed for your neurology helps. I know NTs with depression can feel isolated and even feel different from their peers, and this world is not designed for people with depression either.

People who don't identify themselves as a gender are becoming accepted by society and the world is accommodating to it and people who don't agree get named and shamed, yet people with autism, ADHD and mental health disorders (such as depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc) are still living in the dark. I'm not trying to stir anything up, I'm just writing that before anyone replies with "it's because NTs are the majority".


Many writers are observers of other people’s adventures, rather than ones who experience adventures. Jane Austen and Emily Dickinson didn’t exactly have exiting lives. Jane Austen satirized those who lived exciting lives. Emily Dickinson created her own adventures in her head, while being basically a hermit.

I don’t sense that Joe is “blatantly” autistic. I sense she BELIEVES she’s “blatantly” autistic owing to social anxiety.



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02 Jan 2023, 11:47 pm

Who is it that hates autistics so much Joe?
I've never heard any of that vitriol except from you (to be honest.)


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02 Jan 2023, 11:59 pm

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I don’t sense that Joe is “blatantly” autistic. I sense she BELIEVES she’s “blatantly” autistic owing to social anxiety.


I feel more "blatantly autistic" when I'm depressed.

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Who is it that hates autistics so much Joe?
I've never heard any of that vitriol except from you (to be honest.)


Nobody hates autistics, and I don't hate autistics. I just hate autism itself and I hate having a diagnosis. I feel like many people prefer other people to me though. People I know well often reject my friend requests on Facebook but have everyone else in the same social circle in their friends list, and it always confuses me as well as hurts. But I'd rather not discuss my Facebook life on WP because I get a string of "maybe they don't know you well, people will only add you if they know you well" even though most people have like 500 or even 1,000 friends in their list and they can't possibly know all of them more than me. So it must be something personal. No wonder I have dandruff all the time - I'm always scratching my head trying to decode these mysteries. And I'm not going to ask them in person why they don't add me on Facebook like they do everyone else they meet, because that's against an unwritten rule.


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03 Jan 2023, 12:02 am

Facebook is no barometer of somebody’s “social worth.”

I have about 600 “friends”…..and see maybe 5 of them over the course of a year.



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03 Jan 2023, 12:06 am

How do you know this is because of autism? ^
It could be any number of reasons.

You have depression and anxiety.
Those happen for people whether they're on the spectrum or not.


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03 Jan 2023, 12:09 am

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Facebook is no barometer of somebody’s “social worth.”

I have about 600 “friends”…..and see maybe 5 of them over the course of a year.


At least they have you in their list though. With me, I could be getting along nicely with someone at work, they could have everybody else at work in their friends list, I send them a friend request and they reject it and disable me from being able to resend a friend request. Or they just have me follow them instead but not actually be Facebook friends. And this isn't just one occurrence with one person, it's happened way too many times.
I have RSD (check my signature) so having friends accepting me on Facebook goes a long way, even if I don't talk to them on Facebook. I don't take social rejection very well.


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03 Jan 2023, 6:39 am

If you are as emotionally intelligent as you claim, then know what kind of stories you're telling to yourself and how to process it.
Your own mother, and your experiences in an environment growing up is a big part of that narrative.

Also if you are as empathic and sociable as you claim to work hard for, you would've at least know your culture and dynamics then know how to insert yourself into the picture without coming off as, well, off, even for being blatantly weird and out of place.

Or maybe you're trying too hard.
Or maybe you need to reach below the surface to understand what you're not aware off yet other people from the outside see?

But you got a therapist for that, yes? And safe people to talk to.
And knowing those layers of self are usually painful -- thus why people calling people who are 'honest to themselves' as "brave".
Your rejection sensitivity won't help in particular unless you want or intended to embrace it's pain.

And like there are multiple intelligences, the same can be true with emotional intelligence.

Maybe you're great at social awareness and empathy to show you're closer to being an NT, but poor at the self management and relationships department thus anxiety and depression, issues with befriending others despite being nice and polite...


Again... Mirror inversion of me! :lol:


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